Removing religious influence from schools not in my remit, says Minister

rohatch · 20-12-2009 03:44AM #1

EDUCATION: MINISTER FOR Education Batt O’Keeffe has said it was not within his remit to decide if religious organisations should be distanced from schools, following the revelations within the Murphy report.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1219/1224260976585.htmlr

How is this possible, how do we get rid of these lying, preaching, deluded fools.

It is the perfect time to remove the church. They never should have been allowed to get into such a position but this is Ireland.

We need someone to stand up and point out that their basis for existing is a delusion to begin with, and then seize all their assets. They can work for free or handouts as I am sure their LORD would have wanted them too.

They own over 650,000 buildings and institutions and have billions of Euro worth of art and treasure hidden in their vaults with nominal valuations of €1 on most of them.

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp

http://www.zenit.org/article-25379?l=english

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Ca...canpalace.html

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglis...ate=2005-08-02

“But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country,” Baron Manhattan explains. “The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence.” [Vatican Billions]

Don't forget to throw in more than 18,000 works of art. [Fortune Dec 21/87]

The Vatican's gold treasure alone has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. The Independent has independently confirmed that “the Vatican Bank - Istituto per le Opere di Religione - manages more than $4 billion in assets. It does not reveal its profits or dividends, which are paid directly to the Pope. It enjoys the status of a central bank and has a dealing room adorned with crucifixes and papal portraits where 20 traders work .” [Independent Apr 19/02]

According to Hank's Jesuit Vatican informant, the world's ultimate Vatican bankers “wanted to make sure there was enough confusion, and enough information going all over the place that no one would pay attention to” their current cover-up in the catacombs.

Cool_CM · 20-12-2009 03:49AM

rohatch wrote: »

treasure

Yaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!

mikom · 20-12-2009 03:56AM

The Vatican rules cannot be changed. So saith the Spider.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 20-12-2009 03:59AM

If people are stupid enough to listen to the church, let them off....

Sadly though, because of religion, I wasnt given the option of going to a co-ed school. Ive been through an all boys primary school and secondary school and to be honest, as im not long out of secondary school, I feel that ive suffered in a social sense.

opinion guy · 20-12-2009 04:15AM

Cool_CM wrote: »

Yaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!

Yaaaaarrrrrrrrrr matey!!!!! Whar be the treasure ?????

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-12-2009 04:35AM

And thrice Yaaarrrrrr!!!!!!!!! (Had to be done!)

Seriously, might fall down to the minister of Finance's remit. Also, people have got to stop describing themselves as "Catholic" when the next census rolls around.

the_syco · 20-12-2009 04:44AM

rohatch wrote: »

They never should have been allowed to get into such a position but this is Ireland.

Cos they had the money back in the day, when we didn't.

After independence in 1922, the Church remained heavily involved in health care and education, raising money and running institutions which were staffed by Catholic Orders, largely because the new state remained impoverished.

sock puppet · 20-12-2009 06:02AM

In fairness if the Church owns the land, they should be able to exercise some control over how the schools are run. I'd much rather the schools were publicly owned but there's not a whole lot the government can do

Mat the trasher · 20-12-2009 08:30AM

sock puppet wrote: »

but there's not a whole lot the government can do

Eh, CPO?

BrokenArrows · 20-12-2009 08:46AM

opinion guy wrote: »

Yaaaaarrrrrrrrrr matey!!!!! Whar be the treasure ?????

Hoist the gangplank, Hoist the main sails and hold course lads. Ther' be treasure on the open sea!!

walshb · 20-12-2009 09:05AM

Rylie Dry Salesclerk wrote: »

If people are stupid enough to listen to the church, let them off....
.

I don't think it's that simple. Children will listen to almost anything, and are very much influenced. Isn't it the church who made the adults what they are today. We've been brainwashed for years by the church, some fell for it, others realised the nonsense and hypocrisy of it all. They are still so so very buried within this country, far too much if you ask me.

Ickle Magoo · 20-12-2009 09:14AM

the_syco wrote: »

Cos they had the money back in the day, when we didn't.

That could be said for most countries and their fledgling education systems - how many of them are still in the same situation 80 years later?

The state has had the means to take over the education system for many years now & has chosen not to, that's not the fault of the RCC.

Pineapple_Boi · 20-12-2009 12:09PM

anti-theism on boards? Who woulda thunk it!

Mike 1972 · 20-12-2009 12:13PM

If the education minister regards matters concerning education as being "beyond his remit" then its high time he considered his position ?

anti-theism on boards? Who woulda thunk it!

Someone seems to have a problem with grasping the difference between secularism (or even plain old parental choice) and anti-theism ?

I blame the education system !

sock puppet wrote: »

In fairness if the Church owns the land

How did they acquire this land. Did it just fall down from the sky ?

Rylie Dry Salesclerk wrote: »

Sadly though, because of religion, I wasnt given the option of going to a co-ed school. Ive been through an all boys primary school and secondary school and to be honest, as im not long out of secondary school, I feel that ive suffered in a social sense.

You know while a lot of people have now come around to the idea that segregating children on the basis of the colour of their skin is not really a good thing and a few people are even starting to wake up to the fact that segregating children on the basis of their (parents) religion isint much better a lot of people seem to still have this strange acceptance of gender based segragation.

Any key? · 20-12-2009 12:14PM

Educate Together schools are driven by the parents and have no influence of the church.

El Weirdo · 20-12-2009 12:15PM

Rylie Dry Salesclerk wrote: »

Sadly though, because of religion, I wasnt given the option of going to a co-ed school. Ive been through an all boys primary school and secondary school and to be honest, as im not long out of secondary school, I feel that ive suffered in a social sense.

Can't get a girlfriend?

Ickle Magoo · 20-12-2009 12:21PM

Any key? wrote: »

Educate Together schools are driven by the parents and have no influence of the church.

True, but with only 56 schools in the whole of the country, they are hardly a viable alternative for all who wish secular education for their children. If there is no ET in your local area then you need find land, funding, a school board, staff, etc, etc. By the time the school is set up your child is ready for secondary school. It's certainly a step in the right direction but it's hardly secularising the state education system, it's just making parents do the hard work that the church has to do to date - still no state responsibility. :mad:

Mike 1972 · 20-12-2009 12:23PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Can't get a girlfriend?

Maybe he wanted to study home economics or even accounting and found he couldnt

A lot of Girls wanting to do Physics, Metalwork etc experience similar difficulties.

pablomakaveli · 20-12-2009 12:34PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Hoist the gangplank, Hoist the main sails and hold course lads. Ther' be treasure on the open sea!!

Somalian pirates we.

mukki · 20-12-2009 02:25PM

i was horrified to see the local parish priest walking in the front door of the primary school last week

surly any parent with a child in the school would prefer that a teacher was there to meet him at the door and escort him around and back to the door when he is finished,

i know people can walk in and out as they please (parents and repairmen, salesmen,etc) but at least they can go off and have sex with a consenting adult as they wish

philologos · 20-12-2009 02:27PM

I don't think it's in his remit either as he'd have to close down schools of denominations which are innocent parties in all of this such as the CofI, Methodist, Presbyterian etc. If people want to educate their children in a religious ethos, that's their choice. If they don't that should be their choice also.

Pineapple_Boi · 20-12-2009 02:35PM

mukki wrote: »

i was horrified to see the local parish priest walking in the front door of the primary school last week

surly any parent with a child in the school would prefer that a teacher was there to meet him at the door and escort him around and back to the door when he is finished,

i know people can walk in and out as they please (parents and repairmen, salesmen,etc) but at least they can go home and have sex with a consenting adult as they wish

Horrified? You do realise very few priests actually molest a child. Especially
In todays 'sexually liberated' times.

This whole paedophile priest thing is ridiculously overblown and anti-religious zealots thrive on it

Would you prefer he used the back door?

mukki · 20-12-2009 02:39PM

Pineapple_Boi wrote: »

This whole paedophile priest thing is ridiculously overblown and anti-religious zealots thrive on it

sorry its just there was a "thing" about it in the papers a few weeks ago

Pineapple_Boi wrote: »

Would you prefer he used the back door?

as long as its between consenting adults

Nevyn · 20-12-2009 02:40PM

mukki wrote: »

i was horrified to see the local parish priest walking in the front door of the primary school last week

surly any parent with a child in the school would prefer that a teacher was there to meet him at the door and escort him around and back to the door when he is finished,

How about the parish priest walking in and disrupting classed and insisting the children bring home forms to be filled in to create records on them about the child and the family for the church as the school can not give the church that information and pushing for it to be all the children even those who are not catholic and doing so with out the principle of the school knowing and the teacher feeling they had to let him as he is on the board of management of the school appointed by the Dublin Archbishop who is patron of the school :mad:

G_R · 20-12-2009 02:52PM

Maybe as a form of renumeration for the Ryan Report Revelations, the RCC could donate say 70% of their schools to the relevant county VEC and they can be run by educate together. That would still leave a fair amount of Catholic schools for those parents deluded enough to want to send their kids there and then the sane people could send their kids to the Educate Together schools.

And yes, I know, the above is never gonna happen:mad:

Mike 1972 · 20-12-2009 02:56PM

Thaedydal wrote: »

How about the parish priest walking in and disrupting classed and insisting the children bring home forms to be filled in to create records on them about the child and the family for the church as the school can not give the church that information and pushing for it to be all the children even those who are not catholic ......

Interesting but can you be a bit more specific ? What information was requested on these forms, why did parents feel compelled to supply it and were they made fully aware of where it was going and what purpose it was to be used for ?

tedstriker · 20-12-2009 03:02PM

At the end of the day most people here will still go to mass on Christmas day and not know why. There is a link between the church and the school because that reflects our society. People still have their children baptised, they still have weddings in the church and they still have funerals in those cold stone buildings. Sorry to say this but until people stop these things then the church will always be hardcoded into our society even if you don't like it.

We still have the Angelus on tv at 6.00pm for god sake.

Mike 1972 · 20-12-2009 03:08PM

Some reasonably good points but.......

tedstriker wrote: »

At the end of the day most people here will still go to mass on Christmas day .

Will they ?

Time for another poll ?

Nevyn · 20-12-2009 03:29PM

dannym08 wrote: »

Maybe as a form of renumeration for the Ryan Report Revelations, the RCC could donate say 70% of their schools to the relevant county VEC and they can be run by educate together.

Firstly the VEC can only take on the patron ship of secondary schools, there are no primary school VEC, the rules for the incorporation of the VEC do not allow it.

The VEC and educate together are completely desperately bodies, educate together is a charity which was set up to be a patron to primary schools in the 70s and to date has 56 school nationwide.

philologos · 20-12-2009 03:34PM

dannym08 wrote: »

Maybe as a form of renumeration for the Ryan Report Revelations, the RCC could donate say 70% of their schools to the relevant county VEC and they can be run by educate together.

Why on earth should they be run by Educate Together? If the State is going to take the schools, the State should run them.

Biggins · 20-12-2009 03:36PM

If the minister for education can't control over what governs his schools - WHAT THE FCUK IS HE DOING IN HIS OVER PAID POSITION???
If he is such an incompetent fool not able to control his own department - why the fcuk is the state still paying to have his sorry ass in the top seat?

Removing religious influence from schools not in my remit, says Minister

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