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Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea

  • 17-02-2010 10:23PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭


    Dan Boyle has said he has no confidence in Willie O'Dea tonight.

    http://twitter.com/sendboyle

    At last maybe this is the start of the Green party, waking up from their slumber. I look forward to hearing what John Gormley has to say about this. I don't think we have heard the last of the Willie O'Dea incident and rightly so. It sends out the wrong message to not only politicians but to everyone about lying under oath. It's just a pity he is a member of the Senead and not the Dail. Even though today Eamon Ryan looked very uncomfortable when 'defending' Will O'Dea and the majority of the other Greens were nowhere to be seen


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    A Green has something in common with the rest of the country ????

    That's a first!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Darsad


    This f**l has apparently already threatened to resign from the Greens so its no surprise, he is not an elected representative and as such his opinion really carrys no more weight than anybody reading this as the six green TD,s are going nowhere. When asked about principals Gormleys standard answer now is that the Greens are a party of policies and the only way to initiate our policies is to be in gov ie hang on regardless and pick up our pensions as we will need them after the next election which cant come soon enough for moi !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Arnold Layne


    If he is so unconformtable, why doesn't he resign his Fianna Fail appointed Senate Seat? He'll probably be on the radio tomorrow justifying the Green support of another FF perjurer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Looks like this story is starting to gather pace

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0217/odeaw.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Just nicked this from elsewhere, interesting!
    I heard a very interesting tale tonight from my contact inside Leinster House.
    Brian Lenihan in the chamber speaking on the motion. Time came for Eamonn Ryan to speak, Ryan was nowhere in sight, so Lenihan had to speak on into the Greens' time.
    Meanwhile, outside in the corridor, John Gormley telling Ryan in no uncertain terms to get in there and make that speech, and Ryan very reluctant to do so. Eventually he went in and did as bid.

    That's what I'm told anyway by my spy.

    I heard Caoimhin O Caolain of SF reference that Ryan had gone walkabout and then shuffled back in, when he made his speech this afternoon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Eamon Ryan looked so uncomfortable in that speech. He did not look like he meant a single word of it. But it just goes to show what the Greens will now do to stay in power. If they felt so good about O'Dea where was Gormley, Gogarty, White, Cuffe etc in the Dail chamber?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    If he is so unconformtable, why doesn't he resign his Fianna Fail appointed Senate Seat? He'll probably be on the radio tomorrow justifying the Green support of another FF perjurer

    At the very least Boyle must resign from the Greens if he is to be taken seriously.

    Some info from P.ie :


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by QuizMaster viewpost.gif
    I heard a very interesting tale tonight from my contact inside Leinster House.
    Brian Lenihan in the chamber speaking on the motion. Time came for Eamonn Ryan to speak, Ryan was nowhere in sight, so Lenihan had to speak on into the Greens' time.
    Meanwhile, outside in the corridor, John Gormley telling Ryan in no uncertain terms to get in there and make that speech, and Ryan very reluctant to do so. Eventually he went in and did as bid.

    That's what I'm told anyway by my spy.

    Thats interesting.

    I was told something very similar.
    __________________


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Stky10


    Talk is cheap when he doesn't have a dail seat, and so doesn't have a vote.

    The greens are partly responsible for that muppet continuing in his government position. There's no way around that fact, no matter how much Dan tries to sugar coat it. If he's as ethical as he'd like to make out, he should resign and make a principled stand. But he won't. So who cares about him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,675 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Would have the potential to bring down the government however the problem is the Greens at the moment are finished, perhaps in worse condition than the PD's were in the last election, no way will they go before the people at this stage. Boyle should set up the New Greens or similar and he would take the Green vote that was there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    I have less confidence in Dan Boyle than I do for Willie O'Dea. I mean at least Willie was voted in. Boyle was given a "job for the boys" when he couldnt retain his own seat...

    Think the greens could be falling apart. I think too many of them have sold their souls


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Would have the potential to bring down the government however the problem is the Greens at the moment are finished, perhaps in worse condition than the PD's were in the last election, no way will they go before the people at this stage. Boyle should set up the New Greens or similar and he would take the Green vote that was there.
    Boyle is a serial election loser; he has no credibility in Cork whatsoever - he made himself look ridiculaous with his feud with chris O leary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Dan Boyle tries to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as usual. Trying to act as if he's in opposition and government at the same time. Why is this news?

    He's a hypocrite, just not a very effective one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Dan Boyle tries to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as usual. Trying to act as if he's in opposition and government at the same time. Why is this news?

    He's a hypocrite, just not a very effective one.

    Paul Gogarty is even worse for that, always complaining about corrupt Fianna Fail and then sitting down with them. I am looking forward to hearing his comments on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Dan Boyle tries to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as usual. Trying to act as if he's in opposition and government at the same time. Why is this news?

    He's a hypocrite, just not a very effective one.

    Only thing is Dan Boyle is the chairman of the Green Party and was at the centre of negotiations for the programme for government. He has said a lot of things but this is probably the most serious to date.

    Irish Times running with it tomorrow.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0217/breaking37.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Please don't be so naive people:D.
    Nothing is gonna happen.

    You're just gonna get your hopes up and then be angry when nothing happens as usual:pac:


    The way I see it, fair play to Willie.
    He know Irish people are suckers, he is playing the game and hes good at it.

    Everybody will whine and moan for a bit, here and elsewhere, until the next story comes along, but nobody is gonna do anything about it and he knows it.
    He survived the drama today, as he has many times before and will do again.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Actually....
    The Government won a motion of confidence in Minister for Defence Willie O’Dea earlier this evening by 80 votes in favour and 69 against.

    80+69 = 149

    Is this why Cowen ran with it today ? Because some of the opposition were missing ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Actually....



    80+69 = 149

    Is this why Cowen ran with it today ? Because some of the opposition were missing ?

    Plus if the Greens had a backbone it would have been 74(80-6) to 75(69+6)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Actually....



    80+69 = 149

    Is this why Cowen ran with it today ? Because some of the opposition were missing ?

    The current government seats are 86, the opposition 78, so there's six missing on the government side, and 9 on the opposition side.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭simonj


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    Dan Boyle has said he has no confidence in Willie O'Dea
    He's not the only one:pac:

    One worry is that if it is GoGo that goes first then he can use that as a platform to say he was the one TD brave enough to pull out due to scandal X or Y - giving himself a platform of respectability in order to get re-elected, thats a thought - he could work it to end up the only Green TD in the Dail!!!

    jedpedward.JPG

    But Willie will pull through I suspect, the Lemming from Limerick is Lazarus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,351 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    It'd be nice to think something concrete would come of this - either O'Dea forced out or the Greens finally finding their balls - but it won't. There'll be a quiet backroom meeting, things will be promised by never delivered and we'll trundle along with the public growing ever more disinterested in 'our' politicians.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭conorhal


    And I have no confidence in Facebook politicians.

    Dan Boyle has updated his status to: 'Petulant eejit'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Paul Gogarty on Newstalk at the moment and has admitted other members of the Green parliamentary party not happy about the O'Dea affair.

    "We are not happy with the situation but we don't consider it a resigning matter"

    When asked was he comfortable in government with Fianna Fail he answered

    "I am never comfortable in government with Fianna Fail"

    More of his double standards....... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Perhaps I'm being cynical but could this just be a ploy to look like the Green's actually considered not voting for this rather than them just rubber stamping whatever it is their masters ask them to as usual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Perhaps I'm being cynical but could this just be a ploy to look like the Green's actually considered not voting for this rather than them just rubber stamping whatever it is their masters ask them to as usual.

    That's far too clever for GoGo to even imagine never mind accomplish :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭mysillyusername


    So a senator who couldn't vote on the no-confidence motion comes out and proclaims his/the green parties concerns.

    Are we going to find out what Green party TD's think?? I don't think so..cheap talk from a senator!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    So a senator who couldn't vote on the no-confidence motion comes out and proclaims his/the green parties concerns.

    Are we going to find out what Green party TD's think?? I don't think so..cheap talk from a senator!!!

    speaking on RTÉ Radio's Morning Ireland, Green Party Spokesman on Education Paul Gogarty said it was wrong for Minister O'Dea to make such a statement, but it was not a resigning issue.

    On Newstalk he said that some supported the motion, others were against and others in the middle.

    "If John Gormley wanted O'Dea gone, he'd be gone."

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0218/odeaw.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭mysillyusername


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    speaking on RTÉ Radio's Morning Ireland, Green Party Spokesman on Education Paul Gogarty said it was wrong for Minister O'Dea to make such a statement, but it was not a resigning issue.

    I usually don't get a chance to hear the news in the morning..but you are right....if the Green Party wanted him gone..he would be gone..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Good article here in the times from a former Green Councillor.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0218/1224264713504.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    bijapos wrote: »
    Good article here in the times from a former Green Councillor.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0218/1224264713504.html

    This mater should be far from over. It is now a matter for the Gardai and the DPP, and this ridiculous, "done and dusted" stance is not on. I won't hold my breath though


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    bijapos wrote: »
    Good article here in the times from a former Green Councillor.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0218/1224264713504.html
    Hardly an unbiased source.

    Let's be clear: this issue is a political one not a legal one.

    I'm getting tired of the Greens being the fall guy for everything that happens with this government - you wouldn't think there were only 6 Greens in government the way some posters go on. It is an absolutely normal day now, when the Greens get more flak over something a FF TD does than FF.

    Having said all that, I'm not sure how much FF nonsense can be suffered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    walshb wrote: »
    This mater should be far from over. It is now a matter for the Gardai and the DPP, and this ridiculous, "done and dusted" stance is not on. I won't hold my breath though

    Correct, either there is respect for the laws of the land or no citizen is obliged to respect the law. We can have democracy or FF/Green Party anarchy.
    The curious thing about this is that it puts FF and the Green party on the same moral level as Sinn Feinn. If one could contemplate voting for Ff or Greens, then is no moral obstacle, now, for voting Sinn Feinn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    taconnol wrote: »
    I'm getting tired of the Greens being the fall guy for everything that happens with this government - you wouldn't think there were only 6 Greens in government the way some posters go on. It is an absolutely normal day now, when the Greens get more flak over something a FF TD does than FF.

    Hold on there just a second!

    The Greens are not getting flak "over something a FF TD does".

    The Greens are getting flak over something the Greens did - voted that they had confidence in said-same TD!

    And in doing so propped up an incompetent and corrupt Government.

    So the Greens had better either start getting used to blame being apportioned; or, of course, start doing the right thing for a change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    taconnol wrote: »
    Hardly an unbiased source.

    Let's be clear: this issue is a political one not a legal one.

    I'm getting tired of the Greens being the fall guy for everything that happens with this government - you wouldn't think there were only 6 Greens in government the way some posters go on. It is an absolutely normal day now, when the Greens get more flak over something a FF TD does than FF.

    Having said all that, I'm not sure how much FF nonsense can be suffered.

    no it's not political it is legal, just more annoying when the law makers can break the law with impunity. The reason they are getting flack is by not living up to their pre election high standards and morals they told us they had. Check out Gormley's 2007 speech on the matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    Respecting your loyalties taconnol, FF are putting your party up front to take the flak. All the FF TDs voted with him. We know what to expect from FF so no surprises there. We expected more from the Greens because they were selling their ethics at election time. I feel for Green supporters today because my God have you been let down.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    The Greens are not getting flak "over something a FF TD does".

    The Greens are getting flak over something the Greens did - voted that they had confidence in said-same TD!
    Yes - everything that a FF TD does gets turned into a story about how the Greens voted on it. That's exactly my point.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    So the Greens had better either start getting used to blame being apportioned; or, of course, start doing the right thing for a change.
    Oh, we're quite used to it, thank you. But on the subject of sharing the blame. Where are all the condemnations of the 74 FF TDs voting in favour?
    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    no it's not political it is legal, just more annoying when the law makers can break the law with impunity. The reason they are getting flack is by not living up to their pre election high standards and morals they told us they had.
    It isn't legal. The matter has been dealt with in the courts.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Trotter wrote: »
    Respecting your loyalties taconnol, FF are putting your party up front to take the flak. All the FF TDs voted with him. We know what to expect from FF so no surprises there. We expected more from the Greens because they were selling their ethics at election time. I feel for Green supporters today because my God have you been let down.
    I see.

    So according to your logic, the Greens should just reduce their expectations in the eyes of the voters so that we reach the point where there are "no surprises" and therefore we get none of the flak?

    Every party sells itself on its ethics - let's have a bit of a reality check.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭mysillyusername


    [QUOTE

    It isn't legal. The matter has been dealt with in the courts.[/QUOTE]


    But a minister of this state lied....how could anyone have confidence in that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    taconnol wrote: »
    Yes - everything that a FF TD does gets turned into a story about how the Greens voted on it. That's exactly my point.


    Oh, we're quite used to it, thank you. But on the subject of sharing the blame. Where are all the condemnations of the 74 FF TDs voting in favour?


    It isn't legal. The matter has been dealt with in the courts.

    You should read a bit more about the court case, the defamation was dealt with not the sworn affidavit.

    And the reason the stories get turned into the Greens voting with the government because by doing so they are either condoning the actions, or are 2 faced and want to claw on to power no matter what the cost. How can anyone every believe a word that comes from their mouths any more????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    taconnol wrote: »
    Yes - everything that a FF TD does gets turned into a story about how the Greens voted on it. That's exactly my point.

    Then start voting the right way it! Simple!
    taconnol wrote: »
    Oh, we're quite used to it, thank you. But on the subject of sharing the blame. Where are all the condemnations of the 74 FF TDs voting in favour?

    Because we expect self-interest and corruption from FF.

    And if the Greens want to tar themselves with the same brush, they'd do well to remember what happened the PDs.......a party that also started off with morals and ethics and sold them at the altar of FF.

    But keep going......after all the goings-on since the u-turn post-election, we won't have cause for surprise for much longer.....it'll be a given that the Greens will prop up FF at any cost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭thebaldsoprano


    taconnol wrote: »
    Hardly an unbiased source.

    The very idea of an 'unbiased source' only came into being as the press became dominated by a small number of large corporations. Previously they'd have openly taken a side and pitched it, and thankfully, a lot of smaller independent publications still do. There's a very good book about this called "People's Movements, People's Press" by B Ostertag.

    If this is the type of argument used to defend the Green's actions they're running on thin ground.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    it wasnt dealt with in the courts, it was settled out of court!

    Dan Boyle, you are the biggest gob****e in the land!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    taconnol wrote: »
    I see.

    So according to your logic, the Greens should just reduce their expectations in the eyes of the voters so that we reach the point where there are "no surprises" and therefore we get none of the flak?

    Every party sells itself on its ethics - let's have a bit of a reality check.

    Eh no. Thats not what I said at all. If you want a reality check then here it is; In order to milk the time in government, your TDs have got messy with trouble they shouldn't be in. Their support of the wrongs done by FF is shown in Dáil votes and not in Twitter updates. Endless ''It wasn't us'' statements are fine.. But it was the Greens that got that vote through last night. The FF TDs should also be condemned but I expected more from the Greens than I did from FF yesterday. I had held the Green TDs, well most of them anyway, in higher standing than the FF TDs. I don't now.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Then start voting the right way it! Simple!
    At this stage I'll have to assume you don't understand the implications of voting against the government on this issue.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    And if the Greens want to tar themselves with the same brush, they'd do well to remember what happened the PDs.......a party that also started off with morals and ethics and sold them at the altar of FF.
    God, the populist rants and religious references are getting more tiring by the day. You would think Enda Kenny is God at this stage.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But keep going......after all the goings-on since the u-turn post-election, we won't have cause for surprise for much longer.....it'll be a given that the Greens will prop up FF at any cost.
    How many more times does this have to be explained. The Greens only got 6% of the vote. Why, now, does everyone expect the Greens to have enough power to implement everything they want in government? If it was that important to everyone, why did only 6% vote for the Greens?

    And if it isn't that important to you and you're just complaining about the principle of having to compromise in a coalition government, I suggest you read up on the realities of coalition governments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    It is our dedication to human rights, social justice and ecological sustainability which has motivated this Party since its foundation. It is this dedication which has also motivated our insistence on high standards in public life. Unlike other parties, the Green Party has taken a principled position, perhaps to our own disadvantage, to refuse donations from big business. We have always said that we would look after our political morality. It has been said that when we were faced with the choice between looking after other parties' ethics and saving the planet, we took the easier option and decided to save the planet. And, rightly so - and we make no apologies.

    John Gormley speech Green Party Conference 2008.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    taconnol wrote: »
    I see.

    So according to your logic, the Greens should just reduce their expectations in the eyes of the voters so that we reach the point where there are "no surprises" and therefore we get none of the flak?

    Every party sells itself on its ethics - let's have a bit of a reality check.

    Incorrect, the Greens explicitly sold themselves on the basis of being more ethical than anyother party in the republic. If you put yourselves up on the high moral ground, above all others, then you must be judged accordingly. The PDs took many years before selling out to the FFers; the Greens sold out as soon as they put their arses on Ministerial seats. The Greens only motivation now is power, money and power. Their claims about the environment now deserve to be taken as seriousily as a Willie O dea affidavit ! The Greens are not interested in saving the environment, they only want to exploit it for money, for politicial careers, for Ministerial salaries, pensions and Ministerial cars. The greens are not part of the problem, they are the problem.
    The Green Party is the ultimate ' Whited Sepulchre'.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Trotter wrote: »
    Eh no. Thats not what I said at all. If you want a reality check then here it is; In order to milk the time in government, your TDs have got messy with trouble they shouldn't be in. Their support of the wrongs done by FF is shown in Dáil votes and not in Twitter updates. Endless ''It wasn't us'' statements are fine.. But it was the Greens that got that vote through last night. The FF TDs should also be condemned but I expected more from the Greens than I did from FF yesterday. I had held the Green TDs, well most of them anyway, in higher standing than the FF TDs. I don't now.
    I am simply using your logic. You can go back and read what you wrote again, if you have to.

    As I have already said, it is naive to think that FF do not stand a good chance at the next general election, whenever that was. Remember 2007 and how much everyone hated FF and they weren't going to get in? Well look how that turned out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    taconnol wrote: »
    At this stage I'll have to assume you don't understand the implications of voting against the government on this issue.


    Yes the implications being, living up to your own proclaimed ethics and morality or ignoring them for the sake of power


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    anymore wrote: »
    Incorrect, the Greens explicitly sold themselves on the basis of being more ethical than anyother party in the republic.
    Where, exactly?
    anymore wrote: »
    The Greens only motivation now is power, money and power.
    What total nonsense.
    anymore wrote: »
    Their claims about the environment now deserve to be taken as seriousily as a Willie O dea affidavit !
    This statement is just ridiculous.
    anymore wrote: »
    The Greens are not interested in saving the environment, they only want to exploit it for money, for politicial careers, for Ministerial salaries, pensions and Ministerial cars. The greens are not part of the problem, they are the problem.
    The Green Party is the ultimate ' Whited Sepulchre'.
    More populist rantings.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,379 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    Yes the implications being, living up to your own proclaimed ethics and morality or ignoring them for the sake of power
    Of course I think Willie O'Dea should resign.

    Is it worth the collapse of the government? No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    taconnol wrote: »
    Where, exactly?

    like in my post above of John Gormley's speech at the 2008 party conference

    It is our dedication to human rights, social justice and ecological sustainability which has motivated this Party since its foundation. It is this dedication which has also motivated our insistence on high standards in public life. Unlike other parties, the Green Party has taken a principled position, perhaps to our own disadvantage, to refuse donations from big business. We have always said that we would look after our political morality

    Was voting confidence in Willie O'Dea 'insistence of high standards in public life' ???
    Was it in keeping with your political morality???


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