Ian Huntleys throat slashed in prison.

Vomit · 21-03-2010 10:38PM

bytey wrote: »

my throat isnt part of a murdering pedos body , he deserves everything he gets and more
- now take it outside god boy

WTF are you talking about? Learn to read

jill_valentine · 21-03-2010 10:41PM

Never going to cheerlead anybody for savaging anybody else. Don't care who they are.

CreepingDeath · 21-03-2010 10:48PM

Vomit wrote: »

You people appall me. Humanity will never progress as long as we have this eye for an eye mentality. Why praise a violent throat slashing? We can't bring dead girls back by causing more suffering to other sentient beings.

And gutless liberals like you won't solve the problem either.
What do you propose is done with him ?
Maybe a private clinic with caring psychiatrists who talk through his problems until he is a happy individual able to be released again ?

Anger and revenge are human emotions, do you propose putting something in the drinking water to turn us all into emotionless drones ?
That would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it ?

Dennis the Stone · 21-03-2010 10:50PM

This was bound to happen, and I'm surprised it took so long.

As an aside, while reading Private Eye yesterday, I was surprised to read that the guy involved with that Huntley article, The chief Sun reporter John Kay, himself drowned and strangled his wife back in 1977, apparently while hearing voices. The pressure of his job was getting to him and drove him over the edge. Anyway The Sun took him back after his brief rehabilitation period in a mental hospital. Funny thing is that John Kay is the man behind all the Jon Venables articles in The Sun, giving out about how they were given a cushy 'rehabilitation' and proclaiming the public's right to know of the two lads' identities, because they will always be killers and should never see the light of day again. What a funny world.

M cebee · 21-03-2010 10:50PM

nearly everybody can participate in 'paedophile bashing threads'

as they rank below criminals and scumbags

indough · 21-03-2010 10:51PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

That would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it ?

it would probably solve almost all of lifes problems actually

galwayrush · 21-03-2010 10:51PM

We treat scumbags too soft , good enough for the sick bastard, he gets all he needs in prison, the families of the girls he murdered have to live with a terrible life sentence.

mike65 · 21-03-2010 10:53PM

I wonder should whoever did this get the same treatment....?

jill_valentine · 21-03-2010 10:58PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And gutless liberals like you won't solve the problem either.
What do you propose is done with him ?
Maybe a private clinic with caring psychiatrists who talk through his problems until he is a happy individual able to be released again ?

Anger and revenge are human emotions, do you propose putting something in the drinking water to turn us all into emotionless drones ?
That would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it ?

There's a whole load of little steps between "I want to see a man get his throat slashed" and "Prozac in the drinking water." Loads. You don't have to do one or the other, it's not a rule or anything.

That post is mental. Like... American political news pundit mental.

KrazyKazzz · 21-03-2010 11:03PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They seem to be all coming out of the woodwork now, recently it was Venables now it is this low life.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2901075/Huntleys-throat-slashed-in-jail.html

My mate called me earlier. She is a nurse in a hospital in Newcastle and she said he was on her ward...There is seemingly war going on as the nurses dont want to go near him. I cant blame them either!!! Scumbag shud be left to bleed out!!! He doesnt deserve any help.

Mrmoe · 21-03-2010 11:12PM

I hope he dies a slow and painful death.

bonerm · 21-03-2010 11:15PM

Does this mean British prisons are not like Porridge?

I thought the worst Huntley would get would be for someone to pinch his pinapple chunks and then tell him to naff off.

My illusion has been shattered.

Jesus Wept · 21-03-2010 11:17PM

I am further lowering my all ready low expectations of the masses.
WP thread.

Vomit · 21-03-2010 11:17PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And gutless liberals like you won't solve the problem either.
What do you propose is done with him ?
Maybe a private clinic with caring psychiatrists who talk through his problems until he is a happy individual able to be released again ?

Anger and revenge are human emotions, do you propose putting something in the drinking water to turn us all into emotionless drones ?
That would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it ?

Perhaps the term 'gutless liberal' refers to anyone with basic reading comprehension skills and an IQ in triple figures. You refer to a 'problem'. Which 'problem' is this? The problem of murderers like Huntley? I don't know if you are aware of this, but Huntley is currently doing life in prison, after sitting trial and judgment. You disagree with the court system? You think everyone but the 'gutless liberals' would like to live in anarchy, where the only form of justice we have is vigilante mob beatings and throat slashings?

Yeah, maybe the big brave internet warriors like you could carry out said slashings.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-03-2010 11:24PM

Vomit wrote: »

Perhaps the term 'gutless liberal' refers to anyone with basic reading comprehension skills and an IQ in triple figures. You refer to a 'problem'. Which 'problem' is this? The problem of murderers like Huntley? I don't know if you are aware of this, but Huntley is currently doing life in prison, after sitting trial and judgment. You disagree with the court system? You think everyone but the 'gutless liberals' would like to live in anarchy, where the only form of justice we have is vigilante mob beatings and throat slashings?

Yeah, maybe the big brave internet warriors like you could carry out said slashings.

Didn´t you get the memo? Using the word ´liberal´ in a derogoratory sence is now condoned as an acceptable substitute for ignorance.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 21-03-2010 11:37PM

I would agree with OutlawPete and his ilk. I don't like the idea of celebrating any kind of violence, even if Huntley commited a particularly heinous crime. I'm not saying that I would shed any tears for the man if he died, nor do I think that he deserves any special protection in prison (I would like to forget all about him to be honest) but gleefully reviling in criminals attempting murder just doesn't sit well with me.

Sheeps · 21-03-2010 11:39PM

why yes, let me just click this link that will direct me to thesun.co.uk

CreepingDeath · 21-03-2010 11:41PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

There's a whole load of little steps between "I want to see a man get his throat slashed" and "Prozac in the drinking water." Loads. You don't have to do one or the other, it's not a rule or anything.

That post is mental. Like... American political news pundit mental.

Can't believe you took the last bit seriously :rolleyes:

Vomit seems to think that humanities way forward is for all of us to lose any sense of anger/revenge/justice towards the likes of Huntley.
He completely and utterly fails to realise that those emotions have got us where we are today from an evolutionary point of view.
Civilisation stays in check by it's own sense of right and wrong, people should be punished proportionately for crimes against society.

Vomit wrote: »

Perhaps the term 'gutless liberal' refers to anyone with basic reading comprehension skills and an IQ in triple figures.

What has "reading" got to do with it ?
Maybe you can provide the link to where it says there's a correlation between IQ and being (or not being) in touch with natural human emotions.

Vomit wrote: »

I don't know if you are aware of this, but Huntley is currently doing life in prison, after sitting trial and judgment. You disagree with the court system?

No really ? I thought he was doing a round of TV interviews.

Yes I disagree with the court system.
The more serious crimes should have a proportional punishment as a deterrent. Compare the drugs problem in Saudi Arabi with Europe to see who has the right idea, at least on the drugs issue.

indough · 21-03-2010 11:44PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Yes I disagree with the court system.
The more serious crimes should have a proportional punishment as a deterrent. Compare the drugs problem in Saudi Arabi with Europe to see who has the right idea, at least on the drugs issue.

they already do

fontanalis · 21-03-2010 11:48PM

I'm sure the attacker was a lovely fella :rolleyes:
No sleep lost over Huntley.

Mrmoe · 21-03-2010 11:50PM

indough wrote: »

they already do

We do not have a proportional punishment sentencing regime in this country or in many other countries. A proportional punishment in this case would be execution.

CreepingDeath · 21-03-2010 11:52PM

indough wrote: »

they already do

Ah, how naive, you think the justice system works.
I'm sure a survey on how many criminals reoffend would educate you.

indough · 21-03-2010 11:53PM

it is a proportional punishment system as long as all crimes do not carry the same punishment

if it was not then the punishment for littering or nor paying your tv licence would be the same as that for murder or rape

"Proportionality requires that the level of punishment be scaled relative to the severity of the offending behaviour. However, this does not mean that the punishment has to be equivalent to the crime. A retributive system must punish severe crime more harshly than minor crime, but retributivists differ about how harsh or soft the system should be overall."

Shulgin · 21-03-2010 11:54PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Compare the drugs problem in Saudi Arabi with Europe to see who has the right idea, at least on the drugs issue.

Yeah, a few poppy seeds from a bread roll will get you 4 years over there. If they detect thc in your blood, same.

Lovely place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7234786.stm

flutered · 21-03-2010 11:56PM

me, i would slash the conobblers.

indough · 21-03-2010 11:59PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Ah, how naive, you think the justice system works.
I'm sure a survey on how many criminals reoffend would educate you.

yes of course, that is exactly what i said in my post after all

while we're on the subject of education i would suggest brushing up on your reading comprehension

Vomit · 21-03-2010 11:59PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Vomit seems to think that humanities way forward is for all of us to lose any sense of anger/revenge/justice towards the likes of Huntley.

Damn right I think our emotions should have nothing to do with the justice system. In fact, that's exactly what civilized humanity has already achieved. We have courts, with legal representatives on both sides for precisely that purpose.

He completely and utterly fails to realise that those emotions have got us where we are today from an evolutionary point of view.
Civilisation stays in check by it's own sense of right and wrong, people should be punished proportionately for crimes against society.

No, that's utterly incorrect. We got to where we are now by employing our intellects. The last time our emotions dictated justice was when we were cavemen with clubs. Every baby step made since then has been based on logic and reason. And what exactly is the 'proportionate' punishment for, say, rape? Cut their balls off? Stick a broom handle up their arse? If so, then by what moral standard can we condemn the rapist?

What has "reading" got to do with it ?
Maybe you can provide the link to where it says there's a correlation between IQ and being (or not being) in touch with natural human emotions.

I don't need to. Nobody with a sufficient IQ could be utterly ruled by their emotions.

Yes I disagree with the court system.
The more serious crimes should have a proportional punishment as a deterrent. Compare the drugs problem in Saudi Arabi with Europe to see who has the right idea, at least on the drugs issue.

Ah here we go, Saudi Arabia. Yeah, lets use the most oppressive fundamentalist Islamist country in the world as a template for how to do things correctly. I assume you're considering moving there some time in the future, right?

Dublin_Gunner · 22-03-2010 12:03AM

Vomit wrote: »

You people appall me. Humanity will never progress as long as we have this eye for an eye mentality. Why praise a violent throat slashing? We can't bring dead girls back by causing more suffering to other sentient beings.

I can predict the responses - "Oh if it was YOUR children..blah blah blah". Yeah, but just imagine if it was YOUR throat that was slashed.

You're right. It would save a hell of a lot more suffering and money if he [and others like him] was just given the death sentence.

Sheeps · 22-03-2010 12:06AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

You're right. It would save a hell of a lot more suffering and money if he [and others like him] was just given the death sentence.

You are aware that capital punishment actually costs more than life imprisonment, right?

K-9 · 22-03-2010 12:08AM

When I see threads like this, I go "meh", what odds.

As long as whoever did it doesn't gather some reputation to scare the public when they get outside, I don't care!

indough · 22-03-2010 12:08AM

Sheeps wrote: »

You are aware that capital punishment actually costs more than life imprisonment, right?

it can be done cheaper but of course youd never get away with anything like that in this part of the world

jill_valentine · 22-03-2010 12:08AM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Can't believe you took the last bit seriously :rolleyes:

Vomit seems to think that humanities way forward is for all of us to lose any sense of anger/revenge/justice towards the likes of Huntley.
He completely and utterly fails to realise that those emotions have got us where we are today from an evolutionary point of view.
Civilisation stays in check by it's own sense of right and wrong, people should be punished proportionately for crimes against society.

The rest of your posts kind of lead me to, particularly the bit where you held up Saudi Arabia as an example of reasonable legal precedents we should all aspire to.

The likelyhood of getting caught actually has far more of a deterrent effect than the severity of the potential punishment. But that's the thing - a conversation like this doesn't sound to me like a conversation about the justice system. It's a sounding board for a curiously acceptable kind of sadism given free rein purely because the victim is a social pariah - a discussion where it's okay to talk about weird little mob-justice fantasies, so long as the guy you're dreaming about cutting up is unpopular enough.

Does anybody really think that the convicted violent criminal who attacked Huntley did it because they were so outraged at the affront to Justice he poses?

Sheeps · 22-03-2010 12:09AM

indough wrote: »

it can be done cheaper but of course youd never get away with anything like that in this part of the world

Yes, lets adopt China's capital punishment system to cut the costs.

jill_valentine · 22-03-2010 12:10AM

indough wrote: »

it can be done cheaper but of course youd never get away with anything like that in this part of the world

You can do it on the cheap if you aren't too fussy about how guilty everyone is, yeah.

indough · 22-03-2010 12:12AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

You can do it on the cheap if you aren't too fussy about how guilty everyone is, yeah.

i doubt the method of execution is much of a determining factor in whether they were guilty or not to be honest

Sheeps · 22-03-2010 12:14AM

indough wrote: »

i doubt the method of execution is much of a determining factor in whether they were guilty or not to be honest

the reason execution costs are higher is because of the extra cost of the legal fees and the extra security of imprisoning death row inmates, so really your comment should be "i doubt the method of execution is much of a determining factor in the cost of execution".

Dublin_Gunner · 22-03-2010 12:15AM

Sheeps wrote: »

You are aware that capital punishment actually costs more than life imprisonment, right?

If looking at the US justice system in most states with the death penalty, then yes. But then again, running any case in the 'States costs a bloody fortune, and with the appeals / tribunals etc the costs can be astronomical.

This could be done a LOT cheaper. Just because you've had a quick google and found out what it costs does not mean that's what it would cost here, and shows how inneficient the justice system can be.

Damn right I think our emotions should have nothing to do with the justice system. In fact, that's exactly what civilized humanity has already achieved. We have courts, with legal representatives on both sides for precisely that purpose.

Yeah, jury's never bring emotion into it :rolleyes:

indough · 22-03-2010 12:17AM

yeah but sure theyres no point in keeping them behind bars for years before doing it really, give them an initial trial then one chance for appeal then kaboom

im against the death penalty anyway by the way

PARKHEAD67 · 22-03-2010 12:17AM

he wont die of natural causes.someone will get to him.til be a happy day:cool:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-03-2010 12:19AM

Thing is, I doubt Huntley is being held in the general population - i.e. he's most likely in with other jockeys guilty of rape and other sexual assaults, so people here are celebrating his throat being slashed by a hypocrit!.

Doesn't matter a bollox to me that his throat is slashed or not, but I'm not going to applaud one animals behaviour towards another.

indough · 22-03-2010 12:19AM

these topics are always quite disturbing in the way they highlight the average persons sadistic streak

Sheeps · 22-03-2010 12:23AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

If looking at the US justice system in most states with the death penalty, then yes. But then again, running any case in the 'States costs a bloody fortune, and with the appeals / tribunals etc the costs can be astronomical.

This could be done a LOT cheaper. Just because you've had a quick google and found out what it costs does not mean that's what it would cost here, and shows how inneficient the justice system can be.

So let me get this straight. Your argument is that it doesn't cost a lot to execute someone here because the other places where it happens where it does cost a lot has generally pretty expensive court cases anyway. The flaw with your argument is that, while yes private legal fees are pretty expensive in America, the legal fees we're taking in to account here are not going to the private sector, but the public sector which are considerably cheaper, and it still costs a metric fuck tonne to implement what some consider a fair and balanced capital punishment system.

Oh, and then there's the fact that we're trying to not be barbaric animals.

Duggy747 · 22-03-2010 12:25AM

I really hope this cùnt doesn't die at his own hands, too easy of an escape for an unforgivable crime.

Fùckin' scumbag!

K-9 · 22-03-2010 12:29AM

Sonny Whining Wildfire wrote: »

Thing is, I doubt Huntley is being held in the general population - i.e. he's most likely in with other jockeys guilty of rape and other sexual assaults, so people here are celebrating his throat being slashed by a hypocrit!.

Doesn't matter a bollox to me that his throat is slashed or not, but I'm not going to applaud one animals behaviour towards another.

Sums up my thoughts.

Tbh, I'd rather not hear about what one scumbag does to another.

Dublin_Gunner · 22-03-2010 12:31AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Oh, and then there's the fact that we're trying to not be barbaric animals.

If were trying not to be barbaric animals, then the likes of Huntley should be totally eradicated from society.

It his barbaric actions thats causing these primal reactions in people.

You should get it straight in your head who the 'barbaric animals' are, get off your moral high-ground and just admit the fcuker should have been thrown off a very high cliff as soon as he was convicted.

Sheeps · 22-03-2010 12:37AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

If were trying not to be barbaric animals, then the likes of Huntley should be totally eradicated from society.

It his barbaric actions thats causing these primal reactions in people.

You should get it straight in your head who the 'barbaric animals' are, get off your moral high-ground and just admit the fcuker should have been thrown off a very high cliff as soon as he was convicted.

Ugh, I bet you even read the Daily Mail.

Dublin_Gunner · 22-03-2010 12:40AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Ugh, I bet you even read the Daily Mail.

Ugh, I bet you make sweeping generalisations about everyone you believe to be morally inferior to yourself.

Great comeback by the way - it wasn't you posting about IQ earlier was it? I hope not...

Augmerson · 22-03-2010 12:47AM

Vomit wrote: »

You people appall me. Humanity will never progress as long as we have this eye for an eye mentality. Why praise a violent throat slashing? We can't bring dead girls back by causing more suffering to other sentient beings.

I can predict the responses - "Oh if it was YOUR children..blah blah blah". Yeah, but just imagine if it was YOUR throat that was slashed.

Fairplay if it was my throat slashed because I was in Prison for killing two girls, no problem with that at all. If you'd robbed two people of life at such an early age purely for your own deviant sexual satisfaction, lied about it, covered it up and been sent to Prison, well mate, I would not give a flying **** if someone decided to carve you up like a pig.

PARKHEAD67 · 22-03-2010 12:48AM

indough wrote: »

these topics are always quite disturbing in the way they highlight the average persons sadistic streak

no sadistic streak here.just wish he deserves death. you doknow what he did??? dont you????

__________ · 22-03-2010 12:48AM

Personally, (and I know I'm gonna be slated for saying this) I'm not 100% convinced that he was the murderer of those 2 poor girls. Without going into too much detail (which a quick google can give you more info on) , an awful lot of facts about the case don't add up.

You really just have to ask yourself is it beyond the realms of possibility that the us government (the girls bodies were found on the perimeter of a us military base) or the british intelligence agencies had anything to do with the rape/killings? This has happened many times in history.

Now I'm no liberal and believe if he did kill the girls he deserves everything he gets, but think about it with an open mind. It's a lot easier to instantly condemn someone and have 100% trust in the uk judicial system, than to actually spend some time reading about the case and judge for yourself.

Ian Huntleys throat slashed in prison.

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