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deactivating a shotgun

  • 29-04-2010 9:26am
    #1
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭


    i have a shotgun that I never use, but because its a family heirloom do not want to sell. up until now i have been paying 6 euro for the licenece but lately I discovered it is to increase to 80.

    the best option would be to have it deactivated, but I have no idea what that would cost. Up until now I was reluctant to do this because I believed it would destroy an antique firearm )is is double barrelled with pull back hammers) and thereby make it worthless.


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  • #2
    landkeeper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭landkeeper


    well b4 you get it deactivated check to see if it is something 'interesting' does it have a makers name on it any where maybe post some pictures
    and the licence is 80 euro for 3 years not that painfull surely


  • #3
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    landkeeper wrote: »
    well b4 you get it deactivated check to see if it is something 'interesting' does it have a makers name on it any where maybe post some pictures
    and the licence is 80 euro for 3 years not that painfull surely


    I think it was made by wright, but will check it out again. its about 70 years old. 80 euro is a lot to pay when i don't use it. a modern gun would be more suited to hunting. in most countries antique firearms do not require a licence, but they seem to be parnoid about firearms in this country.


  • #4
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    I think it was made by wright, but will check it out again. its about 70 years old. 80 euro is a lot to pay when i don't use it. a modern gun would be more suited to hunting. in most countries antique firearms do not require a licence, but they seem to be parnoid about firearms in this country.

    Broadly speaking it's not an antique if ammunition remains avalable for it. It's not an antique until it is more than 100 years old in most jurisdictions (1898 is a date that sticks in my mind for the UK, but I'm open to correction.)
    IF it is "about" 70 years old, that dates it to late 1930s, when sales of hammer guns was more-or-less over. Most of the more expensive gunmakers had stopped making hammer guns before then but some did sell lower-end hammer guns as gamekeeper models. (Yeah, I know Purdey made them until WW2 and King Edward - or was it George? always shot with a pair of hammerguns)

    So if you are correct on your date they are probably cheap guns. Post photos, lots of experts here will tell you about it.

    IMO 50 cent a week is not a lot for anything, particularly if it is a family heirloom.
    P.


  • #5
    juice1304
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭juice1304


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Broadly speaking it's not an antique if ammunition remains avalable for it. It's not an antique until it is more than 100 years old in most jurisdictions (1898 is a date that sticks in my mind for the UK, but I'm open to correction.)
    IF it is "about" 70 years old, that dates it to late 1930s, when sales of hammer guns was more-or-less over. Most of the more expensive gunmakers had stopped making hammer guns before then but some did sell lower-end hammer guns as gamekeeper models. (Yeah, I know Purdey made them until WW2 and King Edward - or was it George? always shot with a pair of hammerguns)

    So if you are correct on your date they are probably cheap guns. Post photos, lots of experts here will tell you about it.

    IMO 50 cent a week is not a lot for anything, particularly if it is a family heirloom.
    P.

    over here it has to be pre 1845


  • #6
    sikastag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭sikastag


    Here is a previous thread about de-activating. Might be of some help.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055762605


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  • #7
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    thanks for the tips. i just read the forms I have to fill in if I want to pay the licence and was somewhat taken aback for example a paint ball gun is a weapon. the guards told me a musket would have to be licenced as well.its ridiculous and pandering to the section of our society that despise firearms.

    apparently I also need a trigger lock.

    i am not sure if the gun is even safe to fire. I will bring it into a firearms dealer, which in galway would probably be Hugh duffy.


  • #8
    daithi55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi55


    if your getting it deactivated make sure its someone good
    there's nothing worse than a bad one
    if hes anyway good at it at all you shouldn't even see its been deactivated

    remove firing pins weld inside don't damage thread weld where the firing pin protrudes and grind flush then blue it to hide grind marks

    drill barrel from underneath where the hand piece is and when its reassembled it wont be seen
    if they make ya weld the barrel make sure a MiG welder is used ya can get further down into the barrel to weld it so it wont affect the gun closing


  • #9
    LostCovey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LostCovey


    daithi55 wrote: »
    if your getting it deactivated make sure its someone good
    there's nothing worse than a bad one
    if hes anyway good at it at all you shouldn't even see its been deactivated

    remove firing pins weld inside don't damage thread weld where the firing pin protrudes and grind flush then blue it to hide grind marks

    drill barrel from underneath where the hand piece is and when its reassembled it wont be seen
    if they make ya weld the barrel make sure a MiG welder is used ya can get further down into the barrel to weld it so it wont affect the gun closing

    Thanks for the information, I am facing a similar dilemma.

    I have an antique but perfect (bit worn) double barrelled hammer gun (1879). It is a London gun, but not a terribly well known maker, and is of big sentimental value. I have been licensing it for years, and will probably never fire it, as I have a modern Spanish S/S.

    It is of no commercial value, but it feels terrible to even think about deactivating a perfectly serviceable gun, with its history. It feels like vandalism, but I have already spent a multiple of its value licensing it.

    Don't know what to do. I am sure it is a common dilemma with the new licence.

    LostCovey


  • #10
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    I spoke to a gunsmith. the gun is a piece of art, around 100 years old, but there is a crack in the stock and the barrell is unsafe. otherwise the mechanism, although unfired in 30 years is perfect. I was between two minds about getting it deactivated, but given that it unsafe to fire without changing the barrell and the stupid gun laws it is the best option.


  • #11
    LostCovey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LostCovey


    daithi55 wrote: »
    if your getting it deactivated make sure its someone good
    there's nothing worse than a bad one
    if hes anyway good at it at all you shouldn't even see its been deactivated

    remove firing pins weld inside don't damage thread weld where the firing pin protrudes and grind flush then blue it to hide grind marks

    drill barrel from underneath where the hand piece is and when its reassembled it wont be seen
    if they make ya weld the barrel make sure a MiG welder is used ya can get further down into the barrel to weld it so it wont affect the gun closing

    Thanks Daithi, I think I will deactivate mine. Would you be able to PM me the contact details for a reliable gunsmith who would do a good job on a (sentimentally) precious antique. No offence taken if you don't want to.

    LostCovey


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