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The Don is Dunne, but what were the Gardai doing?

  • 04-05-2010 01:23PM
    #1
    Laminations
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    So another gang leader is gunned down. This man has been described as the city's most vicious psychopath and public enemy number one

    The IT reports Dunne has been the Garda’s main gangland target of recent years.

    So why wasn't this man under 24-hour surveillence?? He was thought to be responsible for numerous high-profile killings, including at least six murders since the death of Martin ‘Marlo’ Hyland in 2006

    And there was garda surveillence of his gang but it looks like the operation was compromised which is very worrying

    Dunne was the subject of cross-agency investigations by most of the major Garda operational units, including the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Garda National Drugs Unit and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation. All of this and yet he was allowed wander around unchecked?? The Gardai should have followed him like a bad smell. I've seen them do it for witness protection.

    Whatever about the total joke of a courts system we have (e.g. Dunne was CURRENTLY ON BAIL, awaiting trial on a charge of conspiracy to rob around €1m from a cash in transit van in November 2007) I expect more from the Gardai.

    I have to wonder what they were doing about this 'major gangland crimeboss'.
    Anyone else wondering the same or have any answers?


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  • #2
    amacachi
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    Laminations wrote: »
    I expect more from the Gardai.

    There's your problem.


  • #3
    steelcityblues
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    Good riddance!


  • #4
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Laminations wrote: »
    So another gang leader is gunned down. This man has been described as the city's most vicious psychopath and public enemy number one

    The IT reports Dunne has been the Garda’s main gangland target of recent years.

    So why wasn't this man under 24-hour surveillence?? He was thought to be responsible for numerous high-profile killings, including at least six murders since the death of Martin ‘Marlo’ Hyland in 2006

    And there was garda surveillence of his gang but it looks like the operation was compromised which is very worrying

    Dunne was the subject of cross-agency investigations by most of the major Garda operational units, including the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Garda National Drugs Unit and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation. All of this and yet he was allowed wander around unchecked?? The Gardai should have followed him like a bad smell. I've seen them do it for witness protection.

    Whatever about the total joke of a courts system we have (e.g. Dunne was CURRENTLY ON BAIL, awaiting trial on a charge of conspiracy to rob around €1m from a cash in transit van in November 2007) I expect more from the Gardai.

    I have to wonder what they were doing about this 'major gangland crimeboss'.
    Anyone else wondering the same or have any answers?

    They've only got so much manpower/funding. There's gang leaders like Dunne in every city and plenty more in the bigger cities.
    They can operate from jail cells, a few coppers outside their houses aren't goign to stop them

    Fat lot of good it did following Martin Cahill around 24 hours. These guys know the law inside out and use the weaknesses in democracy to their advantage.


  • #5
    Laminations
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    steelcityblues wrote: »
    Good riddance!

    I'm not suggesting they protect him. I'm wondering why they didn't put themselves in a position where they could have stopped the comission of a serious crime (I suppose this is protecting him) or at least been able to apprehend the offenders - they are now looking for witnesses.
    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    They've only got so much manpower/funding. There's gang leaders like Dunne in every city and plenty more in the bigger cities.
    They can operate from jail cells, a few coppers outside their houses aren't goign to stop them

    Fat lot of good it did following Martin Cahill around 24 hours. These guys know the law inside out and use the weaknesses in democracy to their advantage.

    Yeah its probably down to resources but by all accounts this man was public enemy number one, if you cant allocate resources to that situation then we need a serious debate about garda budgeting. How many agencies were supposedly investigating him?


  • #6
    Poccington
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    Laminations wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting they protect him. I'm wondering why they didn't put themselves in a position where they could have stopped the comission of a serious crime (I suppose this is protecting him) or at least been able to apprehend the offenders - they are now looking for witnesses.



    Yeah its probably down to resources but by all accounts this man was public enemy number one, if you cant allocate resources to that situation then we need a serious debate about garda budgeting. How many agencies were supposedly investigating him?

    Why put him under 24 hour surveillance? The days of Dunne making mistakes like he did in 2007 are long gone. He was never going to put himself in a position where a crime could be pinned to him.

    They went as far as setting up ERU checkpoints around the Finglas area on an almost daily basis. There was an Operation dedicated solely to restricting his gangs movements, area denial, VCP's etc.

    Putting a 24 hour watch, 7 days a week on a person who was never actually going to slip up is a waste of manpower.


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  • #7
    Laminations
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    Poccington wrote: »
    Why put him under 24 hour surveillance? The days of Dunne making mistakes like he did in 2007 are long gone. He was never going to put himself in a position where a crime could be pinned to him.

    This suggests the gardai can only catch people when they flop into their lap. The Don was still dangerous in 2010 so he was deserved of surveillance.
    Poccington wrote: »
    They went as far as setting up ERU checkpoints around the Finglas area on an almost daily basis. There was an Operation dedicated solely to restricting his gangs movements, area denial, VCP's etc.

    I live near the area so I've seen these checkpoints. Almost daily basis. Thats the problem. If it isn't 24/7 surveillance, then the gang and Dunne himself just liase on the ERU downtime.
    Poccington wrote: »
    Putting a 24 hour watch, 7 days a week on a person who was never actually going to slip up is a waste of manpower.

    Well in this case it would have resulted in the apprehension of 4 murderers from some gang (rival or otherwise)


  • #8
    FlutterinBantam
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    More than one way of skinning a cat:cool:


  • #9
    Laminations
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    More than one way of skinning a cat:cool:

    Please elaborate


  • #10
    PCPhoto
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    They've only got so much manpower/funding. There's gang leaders like Dunne in every city and plenty more in the bigger cities.
    They can operate from jail cells, a few coppers outside their houses aren't goign to stop them

    Fat lot of good it did following Martin Cahill around 24 hours. These guys know the law inside out and use the weaknesses in democracy to their advantage.

    putting a 24hr surveillance on him would only allow him to learn more about the gardai - it works both ways.

    All respect due to Dunne - he was part of a gang which "allegedly" took a lot of money from ATM/Securicor Van robberies - at the time of his arrest in 2007 - I'm told that the Gardai had very little in the way of physical evidence (this comes from talking to another accused in the case) - he wasnt able/willing to tell me if there was any prior surveillance which could be linked - as far as he was concerned there was very little evidence.

    in the past - through my work - I've come across some of the countries more dangerous criminals and my experience of Dunne was that he was more or less the same as everyone who claims top spot, he was considered dangerous by the fact that he was willing to take lives to prove a point (this is speculation on my part)
    from what I'm told he seperated from the original "ATM/Securicor robbery" gang and got involved in the drugs trade which made him more aggressive towards enemies, he was allegedly involved in a number of deaths - ordering several "hits" and from what I've been told even doing the job himself on more than one occasion.

    Anyway - I'm rambling on .... I totally agree that the gardai are undersourced and restricted in what they can do with regard to gangland criminals and crime bosses, the entire courts system needs to be overhauled and loopholes closed....but the problem is that if you give the gardai powers to do what they require ...some member will abuse these powers (at some point).... which will reflect badly on the entire force.

    The Don is gone.... bring on the next boss .... and count the time before he/she is dead....wonder are Paddy Powers taking bets on how long before the next Dublin gangland shooting - I guess 4-6weeks, allowing time for new "boss" to let things settle before "making their mark" on the way things are gonna run from now on.


  • #11
    Laminations
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    PCPhoto wrote: »
    putting a 24hr surveillance on him would only allow him to learn more about the gardai - it works both ways.

    How exactly?


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  • #12
    Poccington
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    Laminations wrote: »
    This suggests the gardai can only catch people when they flop into their lap. The Don was still dangerous in 2010 so he was deserved of surveillance.

    There's a lot of dangerous people around Dublin, should they all be watched 24/7?

    Dunne was being watched anyway, I'm sure that's fairly obvious. Unfortunately, AGS are a force with limited manpower and resources. They can't just drop other taskings for the sake of one person. Dunne's movement was restricted, his gang was being watched, stopped by members of the force etc.

    I'm sure AGS have very good reasons for not dedicating a set number of detectives to watch Dunne on a 24/7, 365 days a year basis. I'd imagine he was being watched enough as it was.
    I live near the area so I've seen these checkpoints. Almost daily basis. Thats the problem. If it isn't 24/7 surveillance, then the gang and Dunne himself just liase on the ERU downtime.

    If the ERU didn't roll up with a VCP, that didn't mean the rest of the force weren't out and about. Considering you're from the area, I'm sure you noticed the fact that Finglas has been crawling with members of AGS the past few months.

    Well in this case it would have resulted in the apprehension of 4 murderers from some gang (rival or otherwise)

    The night of his death he was at a party, surrounded by friends, family and most unfortunately, his daughter.

    Once again, I'm sure AGS had perfectly reasonable reasons for not having detectives sitting outside the pub for the night. Dublin is a large city with more than enough scumbags running about the place, especially on the weekend. Unfortunately, the world can't stop for one man.


  • #13
    PCPhoto
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    Laminations wrote: »
    How exactly?

    at a guess - he would be able to identify more members of AGS - and get someone else to follow them back to station and/or home.
    (Which could be used if/when needed)

    the more gardai that would be involved in 24hr surveillance - the less gardai on the streets tackling crime,

    also - this would allow him to create an alibi (similar to Martin Cahill used the Gardai for an alibi in the 80's)


  • #14
    FlutterinBantam
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    Laminations wrote: »
    Please elaborate


    "There's more than one way to skin a cat" is a slightly humorous idiom (or saying) that means there are multiple ways to accomplish something. It means that an issue can be approached in different ways but the final result will be the same.:D


  • #15
    Dannyboy83
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    I was under the impression that the Gardai had simply looked the other way when the time came, same as with Cahill.

    Haven't they been promising new legislation to deal with the Irish gang problem, along the lines of the RICO statues, for some number of years now?
    I remember Gerry Ryan talking about it on the radio about 3 years ago after some innocent was gunned down in Limerick.
    The plan was these guys be would interned on grounds of suspicion, as they do in the States with organised crime.

    It's not really surprising that they just look the other way, if they do.


  • #16
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Dannyboy83 wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Gardai had simply looked the other way when the time came, same as with Cahill.

    Just so you know. The cahill murder scene in the film was complete fiction. Like a lot of the film


  • #17
    RoadRunner
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    "Gardaí once found a man bound and gagged in the boot of Dunne’s car when they intercepted the vehicle driving on Glasnevin Road between Finglas and Ballymun"

    That's astonishing. Caught Red-handed again and he walks scott free. We need a garda/judicial system that does more then fine people for not having their fúcken car taxed.


  • #18
    danman
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    In the Guards defence, it looks like Dunne played the system.
    I don't blame the Guards, They have to work within the law, but these scum know their "rights".

    I'd like to see the government say "to hell with human rights" and intern them.
    The Guards know who these scum are, stick them on spike island with no outside communication with the outside world.


  • #19
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Not about putting him under surveillance. Its about curtailing his and other criminals business activities. Ie seizing their assets, more vigilance at the ports and airports and border where these people do a lot of their business re importing drugs.
    Gardai can only do so much
    Its up to the courts to impose the sentences early on in these career criminals career.


  • #20
    Dotsie~tmp
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    Things wont change until crime reaches epidemic levels. Those that make the rules dont have to live with this filth, they have segregated themselves. Many of them make a fine living from a broken system too. Solicitors/barristers make big money defending the same individuals time and time again. A system that puts dangerous people away quickly for long periods at their own expense means a pay cut for them.

    Its an industry and I wouldnt be surprised if some in the legal profession are essentially in bed with their clients. Passing info about witnesses and who might collapse a case if their testimony was withdrawn. Then you have the bleeding heart idiots who see only the criminal but never their victim or crime. Again these people usually dont have to live with them.

    I often wonder what impression people have about areas like Finglas. I can tell you whether you believe me or not its a good place. 80,000 people being plagued by a handfull of families. The same families that were problems 30 years ago. They were thugs then but have now spawned animals who fear the law no more ( for good reasons ). This scum all know each other and are often related. They werent even part of Finglas originally. They were moved out from the inner city. Finglas South was constructed in the 70s and filledup with these f*cking rats. No chance of them being sent to Killiney or Foxrock with some halting sites? That never happens, ever wonder why?

    The criminal justice system needs a complete rewrite and the Gards need to move to an American model of agressive crime fighting. You know what happens when a US police force displays abysmal murder detection rates like AGS? The force brass is cleaned out and detectives told to pack their bags. Sacked. We dont do that.


  • #21
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Just an idea. But surely pubs that are known to house these criminals should have their licences reviewed. Maybe thats the case.
    Is it acceptable for criminals who are on someones list to drink in a public house and put everyone else at risk.


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  • #22
    danman
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    Then they move to the pub next door.
    At least if they frequent he same pubs all the time, decent people can avoid these places.


  • #23
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Thats true but surely serving criminals who no doubt are already tanked up on other stuff is not a great idea.
    Feel a bit sorry for the landlords. Sure they are scared stiff of half of them already.
    But if police know these criminals are drinking in these pubs and as such are likely to be even more off their heads afterwards, should those pubs be allowed to stay open.
    That and the fact that more and more shootings and killings seem be happening on licensed premises.


  • #24
    Dotsie~tmp
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    Most people have no idea who these guys are. They dont go around with it tattooed on their head. They probably arent big pub drinkers anyway. Im sure they understand that letting your guard down in a boozer has gotten many of them. But I suppose the pull of the pint is a powerful thing :D .


  • #25
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Laminations wrote: »
    So another gang leader is gunned down. This man has been described as the city's most vicious psychopath and public enemy number one

    The IT reports Dunne has been the Garda’s main gangland target of recent years.

    So why wasn't this man under 24-hour surveillence?? He was thought to be responsible for numerous high-profile killings, including at least six murders since the death of Martin ‘Marlo’ Hyland in 2006

    And there was garda surveillence of his gang but it looks like the operation was compromised which is very worrying

    Dunne was the subject of cross-agency investigations by most of the major Garda operational units, including the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Garda National Drugs Unit and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation. All of this and yet he was allowed wander around unchecked?? The Gardai should have followed him like a bad smell. I've seen them do it for witness protection.

    Whatever about the total joke of a courts system we have (e.g. Dunne was CURRENTLY ON BAIL, awaiting trial on a charge of conspiracy to rob around €1m from a cash in transit van in November 2007) I expect more from the Gardai.

    I have to wonder what they were doing about this 'major gangland crimeboss'.
    Anyone else wondering the same or have any answers?
    Re the post.ie story Wasnt there a similiar story up north sometime where a double agent was allowed to carry out his crimes while feeding information to the RUC.
    Hard to know whats going on but curious about surveillance being pulled off all the same


  • #26
    Laminations
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    Poccington wrote: »
    If the ERU didn't roll up with a VCP, that didn't mean the rest of the force weren't out and about. Considering you're from the area, I'm sure you noticed the fact that Finglas has been crawling with members of AGS the past few months.

    Yep and I've noticed the dealers dealing drugs right behind the gardai in the flats. Here's a puzzle. You live in the flats (council accommodation) yet you drive a beamer at 17/18. We seriously need a CAB for the 'little' players. One that confiscates on common sense and if you've a problem you take them to court - like driving fines, on the spot.
    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    Things wont change until crime reaches epidemic levels.

    Well we've been told its reached breaking point many times in the last few years, ones which come to mind

    Murder of Roy Collins
    Murder of Shane Geoghegan
    Murder of Anthony Campbell
    Murder of the 2 polish guys with screwdriver
    Petrol bombing a car with children in it.

    Yet we still have 80% of gun crimes given very lenient sentences (and if you look at the stats these mostly took place in dublin and limerick so they are not farmers and their guns).


  • #27
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Laminations wrote: »
    Yep and I've noticed the dealers dealing drugs right behind the gardai in the flats. Here's a puzzle. You live in the flats (council accommodation) yet you drive a beamer at 17/18. We seriously need a CAB for the 'little' players. One that confiscates on common sense and if you've a problem you take them to court - like driving fines, on the spot.



    Well we've been told its reached breaking point many times in the last few years, ones which come to mind

    Murder of Roy Collins
    Murder of Shane Geoghegan
    Murder of Anthony Campbell
    Murder of the 2 polish guys with screwdriver
    Petrol bombing a car with children in it.

    Yet we still have 80% of gun crimes given very lenient sentences (and if you look at the stats these mostly took place in dublin and limerick so they are not farmers and their guns).
    The last two were not gang related. But yeah where does it all end?


  • #28
    Laminations
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    The last two were not gang related. But yeah where does it all end?

    I dont know where it'll end but it needs to start with changes in the courts system. As a whole I think the gardai do a great job but the judiciary need to increase the transparency and justification of sentences because as it stands they appear too lenient and inconsistent. There is also a disconnect between the comission of a crime/arrest and the case being heard/sentencing - so much so that people do not associate the two for closure.

    Judges need to be held accountable. If a judge grants bail, s/he is doing so because s/he believes than the defendant does not pose a risk to society. If the defendant commits more crimes on bail this shows a huge error in judgement from the judge.

    A little old but Suspects on bail commit 25pc of recorded crimes so the judges are getting it wrong quite a lot.


  • #29
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Laminations wrote: »
    I dont know where it'll end but it needs to start with changes in the courts system. As a whole I think the gardai do a great job but the judiciary need to increase the transparency and justification of sentences because as it stands they appear too lenient and inconsistent. There is also a disconnect between the comission of a crime/arrest and the case being heard/sentencing - so much so that people do not associate the two for closure.

    Judges need to be held accountable. If a judge grants bail, s/he is doing so because s/he believes than the defendant does not pose a risk to society. If the defendant commits more crimes on bail this shows a huge error in judgement from the judge.

    A little old but Suspects on bail commit 25pc of recorded crimes so the judges are getting it wrong quite a lot.
    Think it was mentioned that the Don did most of his crimes while out on bail. There is a serious problem with the bail laws.
    Where a criminal offends while out on bail., Bail should not be offered a second time round.


  • #30
    Amhran Nua
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Its up to the courts to impose the sentences early on in these career criminals career.
    I think the deterrent factor of the prison system needs to be revisited to be honest, when you read about prisoners throwing parties in their jail cells you know something has gone wrong. It wouldn't address gang problems, but I believe there was some good work being done by the CONNECT program a few years back (prisoner upskilling and retraining) which reduced recidivism rates drastically. No idea whats happening with that though.
    According to O'Donoghue, "The main result from the first stage of the CONNECT Project was the creation of a process which could clearly benefit prisoners in their preparation for employment after release. There also were some interesting facts and figures: 174 prisoners, both men and women, participated in the first stage (as of Nov. 1, 2000); of those, 76 have been released. Of the 76 who were released: 26 percent started jobs immediately, 7 percent had further training, 5 percent received residential drug treatment and 58 percent lost contact with the (prison) service.

    Most remarkably, of the 76 who were released, only 4 percent have been returned to prison. This needs to be set against a national pattern of 70 percent recidivism in the (Irish) prison system."
    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    Solicitors/barristers make big money defending the same individuals time and time again.
    And where is that money coming from? As Laminations pointed out, the best place to hit them is in the money, the CAB is one of the most effective tools we have in the fight against organised crime. You don't want to go too far down that road, as in the US a person's house and belongings can be seized and auctioned off on suspicion of a crime, but in cases where the funding for possessions cannot be definitively proven, seizure should happen.

    It took an accountant to bring down Al Capone, and I feel we could learn a lot from that fine example.


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  • #31
    Nijmegen
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    I don't recall a single gangland shooting where the 'victim' was not "Known to Gardai."

    We need a far more proactive crime fighting unit aimed at the gangs. They account for the vast majority of crime in the state if one weighs it all by impact on people, and their activities give us more drug addicts on the streets causing trouble, more troubles in certain areas, etc etc. They are a core problem.

    We need proper laws and an agency devoted to this crime fighting. Give them the ability to wire tap with secret warrants. Put organized criminal figures on trial in the special criminal courts. Put them in special detention areas, where they are kept in their boiler suits, kept in chains and regularly searched for contraband. Pull up idiots like the dealers in their BMW's and walk through their finances and then take anything they can't account for off of them and impoverish them of all their illegal takings.

    Be aggressive in hunting these people down.


  • #32
    FTA69
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    I don't recall a single gangland shooting where the 'victim' was not "Known to Gardai."

    Well you obviously don't take much note of it then. Donna Cleary, a single mother in her early twenties was killed after a drugged up criminal sprayed a house party with a Mac 10 machine pistol. Bailba Saiute was shot dead on her doorstep. A plumber, Anthony Campbell was shot dead in the home of Marlo Hyland while the poor man was doing a job. There were kids in Limerick nearly burnt alive after someone tossed a petrol bomb at a car, not to mention the two children who were shot in Waterford as a result of a Traveller feud. In Limerick you also had the murder of a bouncer, the killing of relative of someone who testified against the Dundons and some other fella shot in a case of mistaken identity.

    These characters also conduct a reign of terror in working class communities, with anyone who has been perceived to have stood up to them or crossed them often being singled out for savage beatings or worse. In the case of the Dundons a number of them have moved down to Cork where recently a few of the younger ones were involved in the beating of a publican. Absolute and utter scum, so the whole " sure they're only killing each other" lark doesn't stand up at all.


  • #33
    TheNog
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    Dannyboy83 wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Gardai had simply looked the other way when the time came, same as with Cahill.

    Haven't they been promising new legislation to deal with the Irish gang problem, along the lines of the RICO statues, for some number of years now?
    I remember Gerry Ryan talking about it on the radio about 3 years ago after some innocent was gunned down in Limerick.
    The plan was these guys be would interned on grounds of suspicion, as they do in the States with organised crime.

    It's not really surprising that they just look the other way, if they do.
    RoadRunner wrote: »
    "Gardaí once found a man bound and gagged in the boot of Dunne’s car when they intercepted the vehicle driving on Glasnevin Road between Finglas and Ballymun"

    That's astonishing. Caught Red-handed again and he walks scott free. We need a garda/judicial system that does more then fine people for not having their fúcken car taxed.

    Dont make the mistake in thinking that its the Gardai's function to enact legislation because it isn't. That is the job of politicians.


  • #34
    Dannyboy83
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    TheNog wrote: »
    Dont make the mistake in thinking that its the Gardai's function to enact legislation because it isn't. That is the job of politicians.

    I'm well aware of that.

    My point is that it's unsurprising when gangsters who are monitored 24/7 get executed and the gardai just happened not to be around to see it.

    The Gardai are powerless until such time as the politicians legislate.
    So they look the other way.


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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Well you obviously don't take much note of it then. Donna Cleary, a single mother in her early twenties was killed after a drugged up criminal sprayed a house party with a Mac 10 machine pistol. Bailba Saiute was shot dead on her doorstep. A plumber, Anthony Campbell was shot dead in the home of Marlo Hyland while the poor man was doing a job. There were kids in Limerick nearly burnt alive after someone tossed a petrol bomb at a car, not to mention the two children who were shot in Waterford as a result of a Traveller feud. In Limerick you also had the murder of a bouncer, the killing of relative of someone who testified against the Dundons and some other fella shot in a case of mistaken identity.

    These characters also conduct a reign of terror in working class communities, with anyone who has been perceived to have stood up to them or crossed them often being singled out for savage beatings or worse. In the case of the Dundons a number of them have moved down to Cork where recently a few of the younger ones were involved in the beating of a publican. Absolute and utter scum, so the whole " sure they're only killing each other" lark doesn't stand up at all.
    My meaning was a little unclear - I meant gangland criminals who are killed, they all tend to be known to Gardai.

    I agree that these guys are killing innocents in the middle of their meaningless turf wars. Precisely why we need to come down so firmly on them, as I suggested.


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