Mechanical Engineers Salary?

JayMcD · 19-04-2010 08:39PM #1

How much would a Mechanical Engineer with 5 years design and manufacturing experience expect to get in Ireland, (disregardin the "R" )

Offy · 20-04-2010 12:32PM

JayMcD wrote: »

How much would a Mechanical Engineer with 5 years design and manufacturing experience expect to get in Ireland, (disregardin the "R" )

It depends on the industry. From about €30k (mech design in electronics industry) to €55 (Automation, etc.)

JayMcD · 20-04-2010 03:52PM

Thanks Offy,

What would be the best direction to head to try and earn more? To start up an engineering company? design and manufacture a product?
Has anybody heard of someone who have done this or work for someone who have done this?

Offy · 21-04-2010 01:15PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Thanks Offy,

What would be the best direction to head to try and earn more? To start up an engineering company? design and manufacture a product?
Has anybody heard of someone who have done this or work for someone who have done this?

I was involved in a start-up in '07, it takes a few years for that sort of thing to pay. Enterprise Ireland will support you if you can come up with a product that you can patent (to a certain extent). If you want to go down that road you will need perhaps €200k-€250k to start with. Dont expect profits for 3-5 years and expect to borrow of everyone you know. The rewards if you make it? Anywhere from €1M+ per month for the last chap I worked for. Enterprise Ireland wont take you on unless you can generate about €3M per year.
PM me if you want details.

lee_ · 05-05-2010 12:22PM

Offy wrote: »

It depends on the industry. From about €30k (mech design in electronics industry) to €55 (Automation, etc.)

Isnt €30k a pathetic salary for a Mechanical Engineer to earn after 9 years of investment into a career. Especially considering the course difficulty and the hours that were invested in Labs, Tutorials & Lectures.

JayMcD · 05-05-2010 01:29PM

Thats what I was thinking.
The education needed,
the originality and imagination needed,
and the responsiblity of a good design and standing by it,
creative manufacturing proccess's that could save a company a fortune,
it doesnt seem right to only get 30K,
hang around a bar long enough eventually you'll become a bar manager,
and get 30k.

And mech eng out there care to shed some light and insider knowledge?

judas101 · 05-05-2010 02:28PM

From 30k up to 50k was what was said.

30 is conservative I think as a few friends of mine who graduated 2 years ago are on 30k or more.

JayMcD · 05-05-2010 03:47PM

From a website:

You can expect to earn $60-$65,000 your first year. During years 1 - 4 you will be earning up to $75,000. In years 5 вЂ“ 9, you can expect to earn $75-$85,000. Up to year 10 you can expect your salary to go up to $90,000. And when you hit the 20 year mark, you can expect to be making $100,000/year at least. Most work weeks are going to be average, but if you are working on a special project that must be completed on time; you will be expected to work overtime. You will not be confined to an office environment. You will be doing a lot of work out on the different job locations.
You will utilize mechanical tools such as CFD, milling tools, FEA, robots, CAD/CAM, lathes and CNC's in your daily work. You have probably heard the most about CAD's, but there is much more to learn when it comes to your training as a mechanical engineer.

desertstorm · 05-05-2010 10:22PM

I remember reading on wiki a while ago it's the second highest paying graduate degree after medicine in the UK, and I think 7th in the US? It's there somewhere...

edit, here's the wikiwaffle

The total number of engineers employed in the U.S. in 2004 was roughly 1.4 million. Of these, 226,000 were mechanical engineers (15.6%), second only to civil engineers in size at 237,000 (16.4%). The total number of mechanical engineering jobs in 2004 was projected to grow 9% to 17%, with average starting salaries being $50,256 with a bachelor's degree, $59,880 with a master's degree, and $68,299 with a doctorate degree. This places mechanical engineering at 8th of 14 among engineering bachelors degrees, 4th of 11 among masters degrees, and 6th of 7 among doctorate degrees in average annual salary.[17] The median annual income of mechanical engineers in the U.S. workforce is roughly $63,000. This number is highest when working for the government ($72,500), and lowest when doing general purpose machinery manufacturing in the private sector ($55,850).[18]

Canadian engineers make an average of $29.83 per hour with 4% unemployed. The average for all occupations is $18.07 per hour with 7% unemployed. Twelve percent of these engineers are self-employed, and since 1997 the proportion of female engineers has risen to 6%.[19]

Mechanical Engineering is the second highest paid profession in the UK behind medicine. A Mechanical Engineer with a CEng Status earns an average of £55,000 a year.

Offy · 14-05-2010 01:10PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Thats what I was thinking.
The education needed,
the originality and imagination needed,
and the responsiblity of a good design and standing by it,
creative manufacturing proccess's that could save a company a fortune,
it doesnt seem right to only get 30K,
hang around a bar long enough eventually you'll become a bar manager,
and get 30k.

And mech eng out there care to shed some light and insider knowledge?

I agree. Its not the mech engineers that set the wage, its the employers. In Ireland most small Irish companies are supported financially by a government department called Enterprise Ireland. When you sign up with them you no longer run your own company. In order to get the grant money required to start the business you have to do what they tell you. As a result wages are as low as you can make them. Someone will apply for the job. That someone is who keeps engineering wages at their present levels. This sets the lower limit seen on the Engineers Ireland salary surveys.

In the multinationals things are very different. A company that is expanding and building plants in different countries generally isnt dependant on government grants to run their business. They take whatever grants are available but now they are not dependant on them to survive. Now the IDA (Industrial Development Authority) steps in. The IDA deal with foreign companies in Ireland. The IDA has to compete with other countries whereas EI does not. EI have a monopoly on the Irish owned companies. So foreign companies offer more money to attract better people. At the same time the foreign companies set their wages by looking at what mech engineers in Ireland are currently getting paid. This sets the upper limit seen on the Engineers Ireland salary surveys.

The reason mech engineers wages are so poor in Ireland is because of mech engineers. If you put up with low wages from the start of a job you will find it hard to get a high wage from the same company no matter how long you stay with them. Employers are business people, they want to run the business as efficiently as possible to maximise profits so they offer low wages as a result. Engineers that accept these low paying jobs (recently I saw a job for a design engineer in Dublin offering €25k) lower the average for all other engineers. One of the engineers I worked with previously hadn’t got a pay rise in six years yet he continues to work there. He will never get a good wage from the company because they know he will do nothing about it.

JayMcD · 14-05-2010 02:25PM

It's ridiculous!!

A good Mech Eng can make a company €'sssss yet alone save a company €'ssss!!! yet they get paid peanuts!!
You pay your Mech Eng sweet F**k all, he/she is gonna be un motivated, couldn't give a sh*t, and actually cost a business alot of € cuz of poor efficentcey, poor design and over compensation (so the boss won't give out to me)of design, adding to extra cost.
No wonder manufacturing in this country is dying a slow death! and what every island nation needs, to be relient on forgeign imports!

judas101 · 14-05-2010 02:29PM

Most mech eng jobs have a low stater salary (under 25k) because experience is so important.

After a couple of years, good experience and chartership, there is a considerable payscale.

JayMcD · 14-05-2010 02:43PM

Here's my attitude towards "Experience"

I've been chatting up girls for 10 years, doesn't mean I'm any good at it, but some guys just woooo girls.
Now I've met Engineers who have donkeys experience, yet a child, building a lego set has more cop on then they do?
Just cuz you've been doing something for years, doesn't make you any good at it, just means you "Should" know what your at, that doesn't justify a higher wage pakage.
Look at footballers for eg.
The unbelievable ones are 18 - 24, the "Experienced ones are sold to the glue factory!! if ya catch my drift.
but in the land of engineering, you gotta be alittle senial, and have a big grey beard, before anyone takes you seriously!
yet all great inventions, are created by, not big multinational, not old guys, but young guys with energy, enthusiasim, and more importantly
"NOT INSTATUTIONIZED!
There not afraid of change, in fact thats what they do want, and aim for,
were the "Experienced" old man, wants to keep things the way they are,
cuz thats what they know!

Gurgle · 14-05-2010 03:15PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Here's my attitude towards "Experience"...

Wow, that chip on your shoulder has a chip on its shoulder.
Unemployed graduate are we?

JayMcD · 14-05-2010 03:24PM

Gurgle wrote: »

Wow, that chip on your shoulder has a chip on its shoulder.
Unemployed graduate are we?

no!

I give credit where credit is due, but presuming that someone is good cuz they've been doing it for years, doesn't mean, thier any good.
If all it took was for ppl to spend years doing something to make them "Great" we'd all be great!

but your right, I should of said "My opinion" to be PC about it.
but thanks for pointing out a strong opinion as "A chip on a chip on my shoulder"
bet your one of those guys who's been in the industry for years but hasn't accomplished anything, even though you got years of experience,
don't worry, you'll have your day, cuz Experience is allll you need.
but again,
thats just my opinion, and actually, my experience too!
Dumass + time, does not = Brilliant
you either got it or you dont,
all the practice in the world wont change that.
"My Opinion"

Gurgle · 17-05-2010 11:19AM

JayMcD wrote: »

bet your one of those guys who's been in the industry for years but hasn't accomplished anything, even though you got years of experience

Nope, I'm in a similar industry - electronics engineer.

JayMcD wrote: »

don't worry, you'll have your day, cuz Experience is allll you need.

You need qualifications, skills and experience.
No 2 of these 3 will ever see you on a top salary.

JayMcD wrote: »

you either got it or you dont,
all the practice in the world wont change that.
"My Opinion"

If you think you know everything you need to know when you've finished college, then your opinion is naive in the extreme. It takes a decade to learn the real-world stuff after your 4 years in classrooms & labs.

If you can't accept that you have a lot to learn through experience, then you'll never learn it and in 10 years you'll still be complaining and getting nowhere.

Turbulent Bill · 17-05-2010 12:24PM

Gurgle wrote: »

If you think you know everything you need to know when you've finished college, then your opinion is naive in the extreme. It takes a decade to learn the real-world stuff after your 4 years in classrooms & labs.

If you can't accept that you have a lot to learn through experience, then you'll never learn it and in 10 years you'll still be complaining and getting nowhere.

Couldn't agree more. I'm only a few years out of college, highly qualified (PhD) and with lots of technical knowledge. However, the teams I work on simply wouldn't function without the input of guys with 20 or 30 years experience. Note that this is a cutting-edge technology company, not a traditional firm, and if anything the experience is all the more valuable here.

In some companies the more experienced people might be an obstacle to innovation and change ('This is the way we always do things...'), but in my experience this isn't the case. Lots of experienced people have changed jobs and even careers, so they recognise the need to be flexible and move with the times.

Stacks Mad · 17-05-2010 06:26PM

In respect to experience older engineers are quite backward and traditional in my findings working under them and I have met quite a few so I am learning bad habits from them by bull sxxxxxxg my way out of problems .Why because that's how my seniors gets out of there problems. I work with three people all more qualified then myself and come to the same thoughts .
Our theory is that out dated "experienced engineers" are afraid to give us a chance because they are fearful of being pushed aside by fresh thinking people.
After two years experience I am able to find more efficient faster and cheaper solutions to our problems and I once voiced my idea and the engineer used it as his brilliant vision so I keep my mouth shut and am waiting for my OH to finish college and were gone out of this so called great innovative country.
Now thats a chip on my shoulder!!

JayMcD · 17-05-2010 08:15PM

Gurgle wrote: »

Nope, I'm in a similar industry - electronics engineer.

You need qualifications, skills and experience.
No 2 of these 3 will ever see you on a top salary.

If you think you know everything you need to know when you've finished college, then your opinion is naive in the extreme. It takes a decade to learn the real-world stuff after your 4 years in classrooms & labs.

If you can't accept that you have a lot to learn through experience, then you'll never learn it and in 10 years you'll still be complaining and getting nowhere.

Try reading the OP, 5 years exp. both in design and manufacturing.
I have all practical certs with regards skills, ie. CAD, welding, turning, milling, electronics, PLC etc.
I went back to college,

I was also doin this stuff since I was a kid, ie. pre teens,
as I said, you either got it or you dont.

JayMcD · 17-05-2010 08:18PM

Stacks Mad wrote: »

In respect to experience older engineers are quite backward and traditional in my findings working under them and I have met quite a few so I am learning bad habits from them by bull sxxxxxxg my way out of problems .Why because that's how my seniors gets out of there problems. I work with three people all more qualified then myself and come to the same thoughts .
Our theory is that out dated "experienced engineers" are afraid to give us a chance because they are fearful of being pushed aside by fresh thinking people.
After two years experience I am able to find more efficient faster and cheaper solutions to our problems and I once voiced my idea and the engineer used it as his brilliant vision so I keep my mouth shut and am waiting for my OH to finish college and were gone out of this so called great innovative country.
Now thats a chip on my shoulder!!

Thats the exact same S**t I had to deal with,
and guess who were the Genius's?
all the experienced experts,
yet if I called in sick my phone wouldn't stop ringing cuz these genius's couldn't do sh*t.

Experience = Tradition

Tradition is the enemy of progress

Offy · 18-05-2010 12:51AM

JayMcD wrote: »

Try reading the OP, 5 years exp. both in design and manufacturing.
I have all practical certs with regards skills, ie. CAD, welding, turning, milling, electronics, PLC etc.
I went back to college,

I was also doin this stuff since I was a kid, ie. pre teens,
as I said, you either got it or you dont.

12 years exp. both in design and manufacturing.
I have all practical certs with regards skills, ie. CAD, draughting, IT, automation, electronics, SCADA & PLC's etc.
I went back to college,

I was also doin this stuff since I was a kid, ie. pre teens,
as I said, you either got it or you dont

hehe I couldnt resist, nicely said!
In the last twenty years Ive spent 8 years hoping in and out of education. Ive meet few brilliant engineers, a lot of ok engineers and a few totally useless engineers. Some engineers Ive meet do BS a lot but most know what their doing. Without the old engineers/experienced engineers/20+ years experience we would all be re-inventing the wheel. Never underestimate them, they are the seasoned pro's after all and they have seen a lot. In saying that Im not claiming that any engineer with 20+ years experience is talented but most Ive meet are.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 11:34AM

Without the old engineers/experienced engineers/20+ years experience we would all be re-inventing the wheel.

That may of been true in the past, but in this day and age, ie. easy accesible global knowledge, you dont need to fill your head with a vast knowledge of previously learned lessons taught through experience.
its all out there, I guess who's gonna use these resources more, the old experienced, "I've been doin this since you were in nappies" narrow minded, unimaginative, do it this way cuz thats the way its always been done, or,
the young, arrgesive, wont accept that it can't be done, doesn't have a morgage/kids/wife to keep housed and fed, who'll take risks, push the bonderies, think outside the box, ask the most important questions, like, why not? why cant it be done, and who grew up with this access to an ever growing source of knowledge from millions of people/experience, at their finger tips, and they know how to use it.
Theres a reason, advancement of technology is growing expoentially,
The old experienced man may of been priceless in the days of yor, where he was the knowledge, in this day, in this world, its the young bright eyed, soaking up every bit of info, and has the freedom and energy to push it forward guy who's gonna take it to the next level.
they deseverse better than 30k and need better to encourage them and push them more and more.
not give it all to the old fart who thinks hes knows and has seen it all.

Gurgle · 18-05-2010 12:20PM

JayMcD wrote: »

That may of been true in the past, but in this day and age, ie. easy accesible global knowledge, you dont need to fill your head with a vast knowledge of previously learned lessons taught through experience...

Seriously, have you ever worked as (or even with) an engineer?
You claim 5 years experience, but this doesn't ring true with the crap you're spouting about the 'old guys'.
"welding, turning, milling"

there are workshop / semi-skilled jobs, this isn't engineering.

Everything you say on the subject sounds like someone who took a lawnmower apart once and thinks he's a mechanic.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 12:40PM

I used to build RIB's for the miliarty,

semi skilled?

it takes skill to operate a machine to 0.001mm toloerance,
so I call that skilled, not half skilled,
and where would engineers be with out "semi skilled" guys making there genius designs into reality???

And if you know how to machine it, you know far far far far far far more than anyone with a degree designing it, like I said in previous posts, a better mech eng can design better more cost efficent things, ie, cuz he knows what goes inot making it, anything can be draw on a comp, its a different story when you actually gotta make it, and how much material you use, and how long its gonna take etc. etc. etc. understand?
if not, its the difference between something costing A to actually, costing B, and at the end of the day regardless, its all about the money. Who can make it Cheaper, faster, and therefore viable.

I'll disregard the last comment with regards fixing lawnmowers, cuz
I'm not gonna get into an argument with an idiot, as they only bring you down to their level, and win, with years of experience.

but if you were smart, not intelligent, just basically smart, you'd understand all of this,
but guess it takes a young inexperienced guy to teach you,

ya i worked with a, I know everything engineer, who, when I left said, "he's never learned more since he meet me, than he's learned in all of his years, cuz I challenged him, he had to think outside the box just to keep up and compete"
I've also worked with specialist engineers,
Army Engineers,
Medical engineers
and several so called engineers, like youself.

The secert is in the name "Engineer" ie. one who uses there "inngenuity"

enda1 · 18-05-2010 12:59PM

JayMcD wrote: »

And if you know how to machine it, you know far far far far far far more than anyone with a degree designing it

That's a particularly stupid thing to say.
They are different knowledges that are incomparable.

JayMcD wrote: »

its all about the money.

No its not.
How about:
It must fit the specification?
Environmental impact?

JayMcD wrote: »

The secert is in the name "Engineer" ie. one who uses there "inngenuity"

The word engineer comes from the word engine in English. It would be nice if it came from ingenuity, like in French, but it doesn't.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 01:09PM

enda1 wrote: »

That's a particularly stupid thing to say.
They are different knowledges that are incomparable.

No its not.
How about:
It must fit the specification?
Environmental impact?

The word engineer comes from the word engine in English. It would be nice if it came from ingenuity, like in French, but it doesn't.

The english langage came from French/Latin
Ie. an engineer is someone who uses their ingenuiity to solve a problem!!

Trust me, everything in this capitalism world is bout the money,
unless your working for free, with free materials, and free everything, live off nothing but fresh air, its money,

And as for skilled workmanship with regards machining,
like I said, dont have arguments with fools..................
if you cant see the wood for trees, stay outta the forest.

enda1 · 18-05-2010 01:16PM

JayMcD wrote: »

The english langage came from French/Latin
Ie. an engineer is someone who uses their ingenuiity to solve a problem!!

No, still you are wrong.
See the wikipedia article: "The term engineering itself has a much more recent etymology, deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to “a constructor of military engines.”[5] In this context, now obsolete, an “engine” referred to a military machine, i. e., a mechanical contraption used in war (for example, a catapult)."

JayMcD wrote: »

Trust me, everything in this capitalism world is bout the money,
unless your working for free, with free materials, and free everything, live off nothing but fresh air, its money,

No thanks I wont trust you on this.
You are simply wrong. Though not for the first time.
Low cost is not everything. Specification must be made which includes all the legal requirements.

JayMcD wrote: »

And as for skilled workmanship with regards machining,
like I said, dont have arguments with fools..................
if you cant see the wood for trees, stay outta the forest.

Maybe I should take your advice on this one.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 01:26PM

lololol wikipedia, says it all

anyone who thinks this world doesnt revolve around money, peace on mannn

I am taking my own advice, I'm not arguing with you.

(ps. THC as great as it is, rots brain cells, alters reality, use, dont abuse, fight da man!!)

ArseBurger · 18-05-2010 01:26PM

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

highly qualified (PhD) and with lots of technical knowledge.

However, the teams I work on simply wouldn't function without the input of guys with 20 or 30 years experience.

I'll wager that in 20 or 30 years from now you wouldn't dare utter that first sentence.

Gurgle · 18-05-2010 01:27PM

JayMcD wrote: »

I used to build RIB's for the miliarty

Building inflatable dingys?
This is mechanical engineering now?

JayMcD wrote: »

And if you know how to machine it, you know far far far far far far more than anyone with a degree designing it

No, you don't.

You've just confirmed everything i said, you have never worked as an engineer and you have no idea what the career involves.
Understanding and applying maths and physics are 1000 times more relevant than machine skills.

Good luck in college, I honestly hope it goes well and you make a decent career out of it.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 01:38PM

I do agree with you though, cost shouldn't be everything!!!
I mean really shouldnt be...
I only wanna make money so I can buy an Island and build a house on it, far away from all the bull****.
but ya gotta play the game.
thats why the old guys suffer,
ambition is a distant memory, creation and inspiration was something they lived for, but capitalism and responsiblity took over, now all they want to do, is what their paid for, not stick their head above the trench, dont risk cuz they got too much too loose, and they just do whats always and proven done, no risk, no progress, just a pay check.
The greastest man I've ever known, an engineer, "experienced one" at that
"We dont live in an Ideal world"!!
do what your asked, or put your balls on the line.
no risk, no reward.
and for all these "I know everything" guys replying, who couldn't resist replying. well...........
your being paid to do a job, and your on "Boards.ie"

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 01:47PM

Gurgle wrote: »

Building inflatable dingys?
This is mechanical engineering now?

No, you don't.

You've just confirmed everything i said, you have never worked as an engineer and you have no idea what the career involves.
Understanding and applying maths and physics are 1000 times more relevant than machine skills.

Good luck in college, I honestly hope it goes well and you make a decent career out of it.

A dinghey is a lil boat you'd sail on,

A RIB is what keeps you alive far away from civilisation. big difference,

and how much maths, physics, do you gotta know to calculate an efficent hull design? the best computers out there STILL cant work it out.

I may not have the piece of paper, but I was doing the job, and proving the guys with the paper, wrong, over and over and over.
I threatend to charge them if they didnt stop ringin me.
what can I say,
like Offy said LOL,
"you either got it or you don't"
or
you bitch on boards bout the new young guy whos makin a fool outta ya

only another hour or two of pretending to do something before ya gotta go home to the ol wife,

Gurgle · 18-05-2010 01:59PM

JayMcD wrote: »

and how much maths, physics, do you gotta know to calculate an efficent hull design? the best computers out there STILL cant work it out.

You do know that the computer doesn't design boats & planes and stuff by itself. Its a tool used by.... The engineer

JayMcD wrote: »

I may not have the piece of paper, but I was doing the job

No, you weren't.

JayMcD wrote: »

]only another hour or two of pretending to do something before ya gotta go home to the ol wife,

Who's pretending?
They pay me because its 12 years since I graduated, not because I do anything useful. In fact, they much rather if I post on boards all day because then I'm not breaking anything.

I've got the pieces of paper from college AND a computer to do my job for me

I sure am glad I went to college instead of wasting 5 years assembling rubber dingies.

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 02:11PM

lol tell that to the army engineers, one of the things I had to design was a machine gun mount, BUT!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

do you realise what you've just said? huh???
and with allllllll your vast knowledge and experience, not just in life,

You managed to cry like a little girl, pull a hissy fit
and then, and then lol
admit and prove everything I've said.

wow....

I swear I wasn't even trying.. just bored,

such a great country
wonderful people
so anyone know where theres an open airport?

Gurgle · 18-05-2010 02:19PM

JayMcD wrote: »

so anyone know where theres an open airport?

http://www.galwayairport.com

My computer wants a break so I have to do some work now

muboop1 · 18-05-2010 02:21PM

Not to be personal... But you honestly seem to not have a clue.

The guy making the things and the guy designing them are totally different!

What you are comparing is effectively a mechanic(if even) and an engineer.

Sure the mechanic is better at building the engine or car or whatever. But does he know the thermodynamics etc that go into the design? doubtful...

So you built dingey's, did you design them?

From what I can see you didn't. So essentially you are a mechanic of sorts. Still not an engineer...

I agree everything comes down to money though. But there are other specifications. There are laws, regulations public opinion etc to be counted. It is not as simple as cheaper material = better. Cheaper material might be harder to dispose, public might be against use resulting in potentially lower sales etc...

As for being paid for a job whilst on boards.ie meh, mate this is across every sector not just engineering!

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 02:28PM

Gurgle wrote: »

http://www.galwayairport.com

My computer wants a break so I have to do some work now

so you actually got a bit of a sense of humour there.

aww I knew ya had it in ya....

inspired to do something worthwhile.

But, its actually an underlying shame for this country,
they wanna get the hell outta here,
make some money, exceed at thier choosen skill/proffesion,
taking the most valuable thing a socity has, its youth, its investment, its future.

moral of the story,

pay the good guys, not the (if they were so good and experienced, why they leave thier job??) guys the cash money.

great country, when your not living it!

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 02:48PM

muboop1 wrote: »

Not to be personal... But you honestly seem to not have a clue.

The guy making the things and the guy designing them are totally different!

What you are comparing is effectively a mechanic(if even) and an engineer.

Sure the mechanic is better at building the engine or car or whatever. But does he know the thermodynamics etc that go into the design? doubtful...

So you built dingey's, did you design them?

From what I can see you didn't. So essentially you are a mechanic of sorts. Still not an engineer...

I agree everything comes down to money though. But there are other specifications. There are laws, regulations public opinion etc to be counted. It is not as simple as cheaper material = better. Cheaper material might be harder to dispose, public might be against use resulting in potentially lower sales etc...

As for being paid for a job whilst on boards.ie meh, mate this is across every sector not just engineering!

I dont know where to start with this, but I couldn't give a s**t anymore,
bored of all of this, not gonna waste my time, if ye dont understand, thats your problem. keep doin what yer doin, it must be workin, just dont get notitions about yourself.
I'm in it for the money
as much as I'd love to off load responsiblity and just pick up my pay check every week,
I simply just cant be a sheep.
ye are, fair play to ye, BUT! dont try and pull other ppl down cuz they wont settle for yer ****,
ye think yer great, yer in bullsh*t jobs, were ye gotta play on the internet to pass the time, and that says it all.
If yer so proud of that, show yer bosses what he pays ye to do.
just dont go shoutin yer great,
cuz the ones who have to prove themselves, are the ones who are hidding their lack of everything, and got something to prove.

I'll send ye all invoices for the lessons,
but I rather ye did something productive instead,
when was the last time ye challenged yourself,
the country will be gratefull and,
we'd all be better off.

Catch me on the cover of Time Magizine baby,
but I wont be saying 'm Irish,
they might hold it against me...

muboop1 · 18-05-2010 03:17PM

JayMcD wrote: »

I dont know where to start with this, but I couldn't give a s**t anymore,
bored of all of this, not gonna waste my time, if ye dont understand, thats your problem. keep doin what yer doin, it must be workin, just dont get notitions about yourself.
I'm in it for the money
as much as I'd love to off load responsiblity and just pick up my pay check every week,
I simply just cant be a sheep.
ye are, fair play to ye, BUT! dont try and pull other ppl down cuz they wont settle for yer ****,
ye think yer great, yer in bullsh*t jobs, were ye gotta play on the internet to pass the time, and that says it all.
If yer so proud of that, show yer bosses what he pays ye to do.
just dont go shoutin yer great,
cuz the ones who have to prove themselves, are the ones who are hidding their lack of everything, and got something to prove.

I'll send ye all invoices for the lessons,
but I rather ye did something productive instead,
when was the last time ye challenged yourself,
the country will be gratefull and,
we'd all be better off.

Catch me on the cover of Time Magizine baby,
but I wont be saying 'm Irish,
they might hold it against me...

Such an ignorant arrogant stand! If you don't care then stop posting! Simple as!

Show my boss what I do? considering I finished my exams a matter of days ago and have not started employment I'm sure they wont mind one bit!

Also... If you are making dingey's... you aren't going to be on the cover of Time magazine... you wont be on the cover of the Irish Times! but feel free to keep trying! The country could do with people like that! (successful people not deluded...)

As for notions of myself. What are you referring to? sounds more like a throw away statement of someone with an inferiority complex who is trying to compensate it heavily judging by the rest of your post... could be wrong.

Also where did I attempt to pull you down? or anybody else? I simple stated that they were two separate careers with overlap but they are NOT the same job. Which anybody in the field would/should know...

Look, your language, knowledge and attitude present on this thread are appalling. They show someone who feels he is begrudged or has an issue with engineers in general without any actual knowledge of what the job is. You specified you are proficient at making things within excellent tolerances. Well done... But like, that isn't engineering! Neither is building dingy's for the army(within reason , there would be cross over etc possibly) I'd class you as a mechanic or something similar. Nothing wrong with that. It's neither a better or a worse job... So, why the attitude?

Do you think its a worse job? Or do YOU think we think its a worse job? If its the first do something about it. If its the second get over it. If its neither, what the hell are you arguing about?

JayMcD · 18-05-2010 03:27PM

Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah its about me e me me me

I'm requesting a mod to shut this **** down...

Your a ********

god help this country!!

and the ghost that is manufacturing here....
start changing carrers boys,
or pack yer bags....

muboop1 · 18-05-2010 03:31PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah its about me e me me me

I'm requesting a mod to shut this **** down...

Your a ********

god help this country!!

and the ghost that is manufacturing here....
start changing carrers boys,
or pack yer bags....

Thank you for you intelligent debate/comments

. Best of luck

Gurgle · 18-05-2010 03:37PM

muboop1 wrote: »

As for being paid for a job whilst on boards.ie meh, mate this is across every sector not just engineering!

On that subject - today I'm being paid for running several hours worth of automated compliance and reliability tests on a product thats approaching release.

Not posting on boards wouldn't change today's productivity.

enda1 · 18-05-2010 03:38PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah its about me e me me me

I'm requesting a mod to shut this **** down...

Your a ********

god help this country!!

and the ghost that is manufacturing here....
start changing carrers boys,
or pack yer bags....

Yeah best of luck starting your engineering degree.

BTW you don't have 5 years engineering experience, so I wouldn't worry too much about the pay expectations of someone who does, plus you'll graduate (if ever!) at the earliest in what 2014?

Know what's going to really annoy you?

I earn more than now than you will earn if/when you graduate, am younger, am highly skilled in an excellent company at the top of its industry and am damn good at my job - which I like.

See ye.

Turbulent Bill · 18-05-2010 04:11PM

JayMcD wrote: »

Without the old engineers/experienced engineers/20+ years experience we would all be re-inventing the wheel.

This is actually one of the best reasons for having experienced people. Very, very few designs are completely original, and most have to conform to technical standards, existing equipment etc. Having someone who has done similar work before means that the boring compliance stuff can be done quicker (i.e., no wheel-reinvention), leaving more time for the interesting creative bits.

Turbulent Bill · 18-05-2010 04:13PM

ArseBurger wrote: »

I'll wager that in 20 or 30 years from now you wouldn't dare utter that first sentence.

Why not?

Stacks Mad · 18-05-2010 04:53PM

I earn more than now than you will earn if/when you graduate, am younger, am highly skilled in an excellent company at the top of its industry and am damn good at my job - which I like.

See ye.[/QUOTE]

Careful lad mocking is catching look at the builders where are they now !!
Poland is coming up fast it terms of knowledge with them fast out performing us in every sector.
So don't be so sure of your job as I personally know of excellent experienced engineers with 5+ out of work .
IE look at the news today 780 jobs gone in the medical/pharmaceutical sector which I work in and our American owners are getting itchy feet too.

muboop1 · 18-05-2010 04:55PM

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

Why not?

I'd guess he's implying you will be outdated or something by then? (Just for record, I do not agree with this statement at all... just a guess at his intentions)

muboop1 · 18-05-2010 04:59PM

Stacks Mad wrote: »

I earn more than now than you will earn if/when you graduate, am younger, am highly skilled in an excellent company at the top of its industry and am damn good at my job - which I like.

See ye.

Careful lad mocking is catching look at the builders where are they now !!
Poland is coming up fast it terms of knowledge with them fast out performing us in every sector.
So don't be so sure of your job as I personally know of excellent experienced engineers with 5+ out of work .
IE look at the news today 780 jobs gone in the medical/pharmaceutical sector which I work in and our American owners are getting itchy feet too.[/QUOTE]

In fairness, it was totally expected! If you spend 68 million on buying a company like they did there would be significant overlap. Downsizing to remove this overlap and becoming more cost efficient is natural.

Not necessarily fair but expected I think.

Merch · 18-05-2010 05:14PM

Gurgle wrote: »

On that subject - today I'm being paid for running several hours worth of automated compliance and reliability tests on a product thats approaching release.

Hmmm I got lost in the thread, I came looking because of the pay, then it all seemed to take a strange turn. Well for what my own opinion is worth experience counts for a hell of a lot, I would say coming from someone that started out in an apprenticeship, that for new engineers, a fitter or a mechanics or whomever you may come across, will have invaluable experience and the same for older Engineers I am sure. You just can't write it off, otherwise no-ones experience would be worth anything.
Just because someone has taken a different path and both have ended up in a similar place does nothing to denigrate the experience or qualifications of another. Or even if they are simply in a different place motivationally speaking.
Having worked in a few large organisations, to me it seems that there is very little that is done that does not call on the differing experience,skills or training of different people and different depts. No doubt there are people that sit back and let others do the work but I think its all about experience, which to me is continued learning.
I don't mean anything personal Jay but, working with people is a skill that is very essential, it seems there are very few Einsteins, RJ Mitchells and kelly Johnson's these days or they are well hidden in organisations and possibly aren't currently recognised. Anyway a lot of things that are done are simply small steps, continued development of existing ideas, every now and again a leap is made and it may be down to one person or a team.
You will always need to work with people that are worse and be able to acknowledge when people have better or even simply different experience or no-one/possibly very few will work with you.
Anyway, I myself came looking for information about Engineers pay, it will be a few years before I can consider that as I'm just starting out as a mature student in Engineering, I find my experience helps a lot there, but there is always plenty to learn. my current thoughts are how I can combine what I know, with what I am learning and then how I can apply that, that's the toughie.

Hence why I quoted Gurgle, where would I find out more about automation compliance and testing, or even applying mathematics practically to real world problems?? bit off topic, well way off.

Woden · 18-05-2010 05:36PM

Hi guys,

I will close this thread not due the request of the op but due to the fact that it has deteriorated and moved off topic and beyond the point of cleanup.

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Woden

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