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Anybody using Cubase Essential 5

  • 30-06-2010 10:04AM
    #1
    JonathanAnon
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    Hi guys, been toying with the idea of buying this for the last while.. I have been using Cubase VST 5, which I bought from ebay for about 70 euros a few years ago but I was thinking of upgrading to this.

    AS I mentioned before I have been using LMMS with Audacity for recording audio, but it's a bit of a laborious procedure recording and editing the audio.

    But I can get essentials for 150 euro on Steinberg and was just thinking of making the move.


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  • #2
    ebaysellerrob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭ebaysellerrob


    nobody really uses this its a real dog to use compared to other daw and in terms of age its a dinosaur


  • #3
    Neurojazz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭Neurojazz


    I might be able to lose cubase 4.5 for cheap - legal/boxes/manuals etc... just have to maybe find the dongle ;) - been a while since i've used it... you could then upgrade to 5 if that's your thing?

    PM if that's any use.


  • #4
    TelePaul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    nobody really uses this

    Really? Nobody?
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    its a real dog to use compared to other daw

    Says who? And compared to what? ProTools? Logic? Any DAW that isn't Cubase 4?
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    and in terms of age its a dinosaur

    It was released less than one year ago. August 2009. Lots of sweeping generalisations tbh. This topic has been debated ad nauseam here, with the general consensus being that all DAWs do the same thing in different ways with overall output contingent more on the proficiency of the engineer, the quality of the hardware employed and the ability of the musician playing/arranging.


  • #5
    Neurojazz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭Neurojazz


    TelePaul wrote: »
    Really? Nobody?



    Says who? And compared to what? ProTools? Logic? Any DAW that isn't Cubase 4?



    It was released less than one year ago. August 2009. Lots of sweeping generalisations tbh. This topic has been debated ad nauseam here, with the general consensus being that all DAWs do the same thing in different ways with overall output contingent more on the proficiency of the engineer, the quality of the hardware employed and the ability of the musician playing/arranging.

    Could be talking about - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg_Cubase#Cubase_VST32_5.0

    An older cubase 5


  • #6
    JonathanAnon
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    Sorry meant to add this link..

    http://www.thomann.de/ie/steinberg_cubase_essential_5.htm
    That's the product on Thomann for 138 euro..

    I dont know what you mean by dinosaur, it's new product having recently been updated from Cubase Essential 4. On the current website, Steinberg have the Cubase describing the differences between the different versions ..
    http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/versions.html


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  • #7
    JonathanAnon
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    The older version of Cubase that I used to use is called Cubasis VST... I dont know why Steinberg named them soooo confusingly... Cubase Essentials is the next evolution of the Cubasis VST series..


  • #8
    TelePaul
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    The older version of Cubase that I used to use is called Cubasis VST... I dont know why Steinberg named them soooo confusingly... Cubase Essentials is the next evolution of the Cubasis VST series..

    Ah Cubasis VST - I was that soldier! Cubasis was largely ditched in favour of the SE (Starter Edition) series which, after SE 3, was itself replaced with the Essential Series at version 4. LE is a spin-off OEM product that was frequently bundled with sound-cards. Naming conventions aside, I imagine Essential 5 would be a big step-up though the feature-comparison charts on the Steinberg site don't A/B the two.


  • #9
    johnnylakes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭johnnylakes


    I have just bought Cubase 5. Full edition and I gotta say after a few hours playing with it, it looks pretty good! But I would agree that most DAWs are very similar and it comes down to the user..


  • #10
    ebaysellerrob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭ebaysellerrob


    There is much to say about a program's mix engine... basically how it sums the audio, how much headroom it has, and things like resolution and when it truncates the bits. So Digital doesn't always equal digital... like comparing mp3 codecs... most suck, and some don't.
    Commercially, Pro Tools HD/TDM is the best. Period.
    theres a reason almost every major studio uses protools....its by far the best editor out there for audio and since so many studios use it it makes it alot easier to move your work to a different studio.
    I *really* like being able to move projects from studio to studio with Pro Tools- that actually lets me work: Pro Tools may not actually be any better than the other programs out there, but it does have name recognition(client prefers pro tools). I've paid for my Pro Tools with the work it allowed me to do.

    Pro Tools: cheaper to get into at the ground level. The mBox comes with PT and is less than Cubase SX. While this is true, the arguement breaks down when you realize PT LE is more on the level of Cubase SL. Verye expensive to upgrade.Cubase is always an ever upgrading software,protools is constantly tryto push its self and the power of your computer at the moment rumor has it that they are working on a ccompletely self contained system like radar thus increasing stability ect

    and if you want it for midi get logic as it better for composition and midi.There is a reason most professional music producers and composers use it!

    cubase and cubase le are seen as cheapish programmes that really only are used in some home studios or a musican with no engineering know how that wants to record or an old guy that learned cubase and cant be bothered learning a new programme


  • #11
    Dravokivich
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    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    cubase and cubase le are seen as cheapish programmes that really only are used in

    alot of colleges to help people learning Sound Engineering understand signal flow / Auxilaries / Send & Returns / Grouping...

    :rolleyes:


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  • #12
    TelePaul
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    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    Commercially, Pro Tools HD/TDM is the best. Period.

    Do you mean most commercially successful? Because you go on to say that:
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    Pro Tools may not actually be any better than the other programs out there
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    theres a reason almost every major studio uses protools....its by far the best editor out there for audio and since so many studios use it it makes it alot easier to move your work to a different studio.

    I really think we're in danger of confusing 'best' with 'most ubiquitous'. Is pro tools the 'Industry Standard' because it's deemed the best sequencer or is it deemed the 'best' sequencer because it's the industry standard? This was debated in detail a few months back, but for the record, here are some of the key points: Pro Tools' market dominance can be attributed in some way to it's first-mover advantage; the 'market dominance' tag applies to it's integrated HD platform only, not the LE versions; the best sequencer is the one that you can produce the best results with.
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    I *really* like being able to move projects from studio to studio with Pro Tools- that actually lets me work:

    Yeah but this is really only important at the professional end of the scale - the OP is currently using audacity.
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    Pro Tools may not actually be any better than the other programs out there, but it does have name recognition(client prefers pro tools). I've paid for my Pro Tools with the work it allowed me to do.

    I think most of that client recognition is down to ignorance on their part. You pick up any Sound on Sound or Music Tech and it'll tell you that Slash recorded his latest album with Pro Pools or Jack White recorded his latest album with Pro Tools, or whatever. As a term, it has become synonymous with multi-track recording and has even thrown about in the more mainstream music publications. My point is, everyone has heard of Pro Tools, irrespective of whether they're musicians. All that does though is reinforce the previous assertion that pro tools is omni-present.
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    Pro Tools: cheaper to get into at the ground level.

    What about Reaper?
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    The mBox comes with PT and is less than Cubase SX. While this is true, the arguement breaks down when you realize PT LE is more on the level of Cubase SL.


    These are all legacy editions of Cubase...the engines remain largely unchanged but the products themselves are over four years old at this stage. I wouldn't call that a fair comparison.
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    Cubase is always an ever upgrading software,protools is constantly tryto push its self and the power of your computer

    Have to call BS on that - what version is LE at? 8? 8.1? 8.2? It's also extremely picky about what machines it will work with.
    ebaysellerrob wrote: »
    cubase and cubase le are seen as cheapish programmes that really only are used in some home studios or a musican with no engineering know how that wants to record or an old guy that learned cubase and cant be bothered learning a new programme

    Again, simply not true.


  • #13
    Quiggers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭Quiggers


    personally i hate pro tools but my brother uses it and loves it, he hates cubase,
    which i use and love, i'm still on cubase sx 3, would love to upgrade to 5 but i'm back at collage and largely un-employed so its not on the cards plus i've not found sx3 coming up short.

    cubasis was had work from what i remember, i had it with an SBlive card and used soundfonts (YUCK) and GM sounds with it, up graded to SX1 a few years later and a card with ASIO drivers.

    Maybe shop around before you buy, cuckoo's reaper is getting alot of admiration and the full version is €50 if i remember correctly.reason record is getting rave reviews and presonus have released a DAW too, CM magazine has a daw bundled on the cover mount disc as well as a load of free vst's.

    and dont worry, the pro tools police dont know where you live and wont come a knocking. all miffed about their vst wrapper disablity.


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