Reporting dole cheats, Yay or Nah

Crossection · 25-08-2010 10:36PM #1

I recently started a thread in PI about reporting a dole cheat. Surprisingly a lot of the responses were very negative. I’m just wondering what the general consensus is. Would you report someone claiming the dole, who also had a job?

El Weirdo · 25-08-2010 10:40PM

Poll fail. Stupid options.

easyeason3 · 25-08-2010 10:42PM

No I personally wouldn't because:
1) I don't know someones financial circumstances.
2) I think if someone is defrauding the state then they will eventually get caught all by themselves.
3) It might annoy me to see someone working & claiming but not enough to get worked up about it.

Superbus · 25-08-2010 10:42PM

Kinda being a bit judgemental with the 'no' option there...

mohawk · 25-08-2010 10:43PM

Depends.
Do they have a proper job or are they just doing the odd job here and there to keep their heads above water?

The poll sucks :mad:

BluesBerry · 25-08-2010 10:44PM

No I probably wouldn't

landsleaving · 25-08-2010 10:44PM

I want to vote for Atari Jaguar, no one puts that in polls anymore. What's the world come to?

FunkZ · 25-08-2010 10:46PM

Just let them buy the first round of drinks... Triple Jameson please.

stovelid · 25-08-2010 10:48PM

I'd man up and stop looking for validation from strangers.

Stupid poll as well. Didn't bother with it.

mickydoomsux · 25-08-2010 10:49PM

easyeason3 wrote: »

2) I think if someone is defrauding the state then they will eventually get caught all by themselves.

AHAHAHAHAHA.

Good one. Everyone in a small town could tell you a list of names of people on the dole who are also working except for the local Labour Exchange people.

The couldn't/don't want to find their arse with both hands and a map.

InTheTrees · 25-08-2010 10:49PM

When I was a young irresponsible lad I would have said go for it.

Now i'm older i can appreciate that a proportion of my day is spent working to earn enough to pay taxes to go to the cheats, and that aint right...

So turn'em in.

evercloserunion · 25-08-2010 10:50PM

Do I think they should be reported? Yes, a tremendous amount of tax-payers' money goes towards caring for those who genuinely need a break, and to abuse that is truly scummy.

Would I report them? Well, I am extremely lazy. If I saw a lad cheating the system who was still struggling to make ends meet, I wouldn't. But if I saw a lad making a nice cushy life for himself and I thought reporting him would do anything, I would report him no problem.

Gummy Panda · 25-08-2010 10:52PM

Oh piss off with these dole threads

BTW nice balanced poll

NoHornJan · 25-08-2010 10:53PM

To me it's the same as insurance fraud, not paying taxes or overclaiming on expenses and I would class it as theft.

Guess who is paying for it?

Mr. Rager · 25-08-2010 10:55PM

landsleaving wrote: »

I want to vote for Atari Jaguar, no one puts that in polls anymore. What's the world come to?

I havent been on boards that long so what is this Atari Jaguar option in polls about? I don't get it at all :pac:

digitalremote · 25-08-2010 10:55PM

OP, WOULD YOU FEEL beeter afterwardS?

davyjose · 25-08-2010 10:57PM

NoHornJan wrote: »

Guess who is paying for it?

What are we not paying for? Seriously, does it even matter anymore?

The baying for blood for the common man is laughable (see the poor sod on the mortgage thread), is it just that we're too weak to stand up for the fcukers who are riding us up the hole, so we pick on the minor misdemeanours?

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-08-2010 10:58PM

Far too many ratting threads on boards lately

The Waltzing Consumer · 25-08-2010 11:01PM

Bit surprised that no one has mentioned that you can work part-time and claim social welfare. The OP has not said what type of work the guy is doing, so it could be fine. You can work three full days and claim social welfare.

Oh and to answer the question, its none of your business so stay out of it

stovelid · 25-08-2010 11:05PM

Maybe there shroud be a truth tribunal for welfare fraud reporting. You get to rat on people but they know who did it.

evercloserunion · 25-08-2010 11:05PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Bit surprised that no one has mentioned that you can work part-time and claim social welfare. The OP has not said what type of work the guy is doing, so it could be fine. You can work three full days and claim social welfare.

Oh and to answer the question, its none of your business so stay out of it

If you are operating within the rules you are, by definition, not a welfare cheat, so it wouldn't seem relevant to this thread.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-08-2010 11:09PM

stovelid wrote: »

Maybe there shroud be a truth tribunal for welfare fraud reporting. You get to rat on people but they know who did it.

Rats are usually cowards they would not have the balls to go public with their ratting

evercloserunion · 25-08-2010 11:13PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Rats are usually cowards they would not have the balls to go public with their ratting

Whereas people who lie and steal from the state are big brave hard men.

Owwmykneecap · 25-08-2010 11:13PM

It depends on whether the person is an enemy of mine.

sponsoredwalk · 25-08-2010 11:14PM

I spot a witch, burn her!!!

Lone Stone · 25-08-2010 11:21PM

Crossection wrote: »

I recently started a thread in PI about reporting a dole cheat. Surprisingly a lot of the responses were very negative. I’m just wondering what the general consensus is. Would you report someone claiming the dole, who also had a job?

ow yes i read that thread of your's.He reported someone because he did not like the person. You got the reply's you did because your a horrible person to do something that vindictive.

Degag · 25-08-2010 11:22PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Bit surprised that no one has mentioned that you can work part-time and claim social welfare. The OP has not said what type of work the guy is doing, so it could be fine. You can work three full days and claim social welfare.

Oh and to answer the question, its none of your business so stay out of it

Yes, OP are you sure this person is claiming for the full dole or this?

raah! · 25-08-2010 11:29PM

It depends on lots of things. If you are just making a general statement about "should I squeel on someone anytime they break the law" then that would make you a nasty little squeeler.

I_AmThe_Walrus · 26-08-2010 12:00AM

Don't be such a spoil sport...

The lads are only having a laugh with Pat Kennys money.

starbelgrade · 26-08-2010 12:02AM

Do you know what I hate more than the weekly "dole-cheat" thread?

The f*cking poll options in this one. What a load of complete & utter ****.

Crossection · 26-08-2010 09:11AM

digitalremote wrote: »

OP, WOULD YOU FEEL beeter afterwardS?

Yeah, I fell great doing it.

Mimikyu · 26-08-2010 11:00AM

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PeterIanStaker · 26-08-2010 11:03AM

Reporting dishonest people to the goverment?

. . . wait a minute!

Unsinnig · 26-08-2010 11:15AM

Hell yes, report the scum!

I work my ass off and pay my taxes. I've no problem with my taxes helping people who need help, but it gets on my man-boobs having to buy ciggies and cans of dutch gold for your man down at the bookies.

I quit smoking and maybe have a drink once a month, because it's just too expensive. Yet, somehow, your man on the dole has oodles of cash to buy cartons of ciggies and cases of budweiser, and has enough left over to piss away on the ponies or the dogs. Report that guy, because he obviously has no intention of bothering earning his keep. The welfare state has bred WAY too many leeches. And we stand for it. Call me a liar. Go on

Sykk · 26-08-2010 11:16AM

OP obviously jealous because people on the dole make more money than him working in KFC.

Unsinnig · 26-08-2010 11:22AM

Sykk wrote: »

OP obviously jealous because people on the dole make more money than him working in KFC.

cue vapid knee-jerk reaction.

evercloserunion · 26-08-2010 11:22AM

Sykk wrote: »

OP obviously jealous because people on the dole make more money than him working in KFC.

So your way of insulting someone is implying that they work in KFC?

Unsinnig · 26-08-2010 11:29AM

evercloserunion wrote: »

So your way of insulting someone is implying that they work in KFC?

Correction. His way of insulting someone is implying they have a job :rolleyes:

celticbest · 26-08-2010 11:41AM

Unsinnig wrote: »

Hell yes, report the scum!

I work my ass off and pay my taxes. I've no problem with my taxes helping people who need help, but it gets on my man-boobs having to buy ciggies and cans of dutch gold for your man down at the bookies.

I quit smoking and maybe have a drink once a month, because it's just too expensive. Yet, somehow, your man on the dole has oodles of cash to buy cartons of ciggies and cases of budweiser, and has enough left over to piss away on the ponies or the dogs. Report that guy, because he obviously has no intention of bothering earning his keep. The welfare state has bred WAY too many leeches. And we stand for it. Call me a liar. Go on

+1

Anyone earning should be willing to report fraudsters, not to make the taxes we are currently paying go down but to keep them at the level they are currently at.

I'd loved to know the figure for fraudulent claims currently being investigated and as a result of the investigations how many a month are stopped.

If somebody is working part time and collects the dole for the days not worked then they have nothing to worry about if they are reported as they are doing nothing wrong, it's the one's that work a few days a week and take cash in hand that I've got a problem with.

I also have a problem with the people who pay. These people should also be fined as they are not paying the employers contribution to PRSI etc.

With the Debt the country is in at the moment every cent saved is of benefit to the Nation.

Manic Preacher · 26-08-2010 12:07PM

If we had a government that didn't waste money I'd think about reporting them, but then you see what those clowns in the Dail do with our money and I say fair play to the ones getting away with it

Carlos_Ray · 26-08-2010 12:18PM

I wouldn't report it. I pay my taxes like everybody else but don't see the point in reporting "dole cheats" to the biggest gang of thieves in "Western Europe" i.e the Irish Government.

Besides its not in my nature to become an unpaid government "snitch."

Times are tough, If I ring up to stop say , a single mothers benefits, because she's working a few "cash in hand" days at her local pub, I'd be a miserable soul now wouldn't ?

Besides, even if people like this mothers dole was stopped would we really be any better off as a nation? The money would just go into something like painting the next "ivor Calley's " house. Or perhaps it may go towards the €100,000 Noel Dempsey private flight bill. Or better yet, our hundreds of politicians could give themselves a pay rise to increase their already ridiculous wages.

The Government asking people to report dole cheats in the current climate is on par with a Drug lord asking junkies to snitch on low level dealers skimming a bit off the top. Its totally hypocritical.

Anybody who has the motivation to report their neighbours and fellow citizens for schemeing a bit of extra cash, but has no motivation to protest against the corruption that is rife throughout all our instituitions, needs to re-evaluate their life.

Hardly anybody took to the streets in opposition to our Government, but in typical Irish fashion people feel a lot more comfortable "snitching anonymously" against the small men.

We need to change things from the top. The government should lead by example. Until this happens, I don't give a sh1t about "dole cheats". We have far bigger fish to fry, but everybody seems to be avoiding it.

celticbest · 26-08-2010 12:19PM

Manic Preacher wrote: »

If we had a government that didn't waste money I'd think about reporting them, but then you see what those clowns in the Dail do with our money and I say fair play to the ones getting away with it

You should stand for election the next time around.

If all the people who criticize the Government all the time were actually politically active it would be very interesting to see were we now stand.

We can only deal with the people elected and for the past 10 years the people of Ireland have voted for Fianna Fail / PD's & now Fianna Fail / Greens. If people want change they have to make it happen.

No matter who is in Government makes no difference, fraud is still fraud, I'm losing money because of these people & everyone else who goes out and works loses money to these people.

Sykk · 26-08-2010 12:19PM

Unsinnig wrote: »

Correction. His way of insulting someone is implying they have a job :rolleyes:

I have a job.. An extremely well paying job actually, and I've given much much more to the government than I've taken.

You don't know peoples financial state and it's none of your business what they claim, unless you're a welfare worker, GTFO.

Unsinnig · 26-08-2010 12:31PM

Sykk wrote: »

I have a job.. An extremely well paying job actually, and I've given much much more to the government than I've taken.

You don't know peoples financial state and it's none of your business what they claim, unless you're a welfare worker, GTFO.

It's refered to as "having a laugh". I was making light of your beligerent statement. You're too serious. Count to 10, and take a few deep breaths.

We're all friends here

-Trek- · 26-08-2010 12:31PM

Crossection wrote: »

I recently started a thread in PI about reporting a dole cheat. Surprisingly a lot of the responses were very negative. I’m just wondering what the general consensus is. Would you report someone claiming the dole, who also had a job?

PI & State benefits So this is your third thread you started to ask this same question and I will tell you the same thing - if you have grounds to justify it then yes.

But now I think your just thanks whoring.

storm2811 · 26-08-2010 12:32PM

I could never do it without knowing the persons' situation,they could have debts,children,a mortgage that they need the money for,it's none of my business either what other people do with their lives.

Carlos_Ray · 26-08-2010 12:37PM

celticbest wrote: »

If all the people who criticize the Government all the time were actually politically active it would be very interesting to see were we now stand.

Exactly, but most Irish people are too petty. They are more concerned with Joe Bloggs getting an extra 50 quid a week, than they are with Cowen and co earning hundreds of thousands a year.

celticbest wrote: »

We can only deal with the people elected and for the past 10 years the people of Ireland have voted for Fianna Fail / PD's & now Fianna Fail / Greens. If people want change they have to make it happen.

Theses Governments never had an outright majority, therefore the majority of Irish people didn't vote for these Governments. On top of that, the current leader is unelected but refused to give the people a voice. The whole system needs an overhaul.

celticbest wrote: »

No matter who is in Government makes no difference, fraud is still fraud, I'm losing money because of these people & everyone else who goes out and works loses money to these people.

Of course it matters, if you report fraud to a corrupt Government you won't see the fruits of your labour. Nobody has any confidence in this Government. I get taxed an enormous amount each month, however, my anger is aimed at the people in charge, not the little men. I pay enough taxes to ensure that a proper welfare system is in place. The very fact the Government want to turn its citizens into snitches, suggests that my tax money is again being squandered. Yet again, the government have misued funds and are left short when it comes to implementing a workable system.

celticbest · 26-08-2010 02:03PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Exactly, but most Irish people are too petty. They are more concerned with Joe Bloggs getting an extra 50 quid a week, than they are with Cowen and co earning hundreds of thousands a year.

Petty how?? If you are not entitled to something then you should not get it.

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Theses Governments never had an outright majority, therefore the majority of Irish people didn't vote for these Governments. On top of that, the current leader is unelected but refused to give the people a voice. The whole system needs an overhaul.

Again if people are so bothered by our electoral system then they should do something about it.

Many other countries have multi-party Governments, look at the UK. It's looking likely that Australia will have one soon as well.

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Of course it matters, if you report fraud to a corrupt Government you won't see the fruits of your labour. Nobody has any confidence in this Government. I get taxed an enormous amount each month, however, my anger is aimed at the people in charge, not the little men. I pay enough taxes to ensure that a proper welfare system is in place. The very fact the Government want to turn its citizens into snitches, suggests that my tax money is again being squandered. Yet again, the government have misued funds and are left short when it comes to implementing a workable system.

If people from the top to the bottom do not speak up and uncover fraudulent claims be it Dole, expenses by TD / Senators then how will the Fraud be uncovered?

Jaxxy · 26-08-2010 02:16PM

I pay my taxes, everyone on the dole is a Johnny Blue smoking Dutch Gold swilling scumbag, why should I subsidize you, civic duty, useless government, welfare officers don't know their arses from their elbows.

Blah. Blah.

You can't assume to know any one individual's financial status or circumstances. And reporting someone for fraud just because you dislike them OP would be, for me, a better definition of a scumbag than someone who makes an extra few quid a week on the sly. Brutal poll.

Sykk · 26-08-2010 02:31PM

Unsinnig wrote: »

It's refered to as "having a laugh". I was making light of your beligerent statement. You're too serious. Count to 10, and take a few deep breaths.

We're all friends here

I was being so serious to the point of a joke, punk'd :pac:

Unsinnig · 26-08-2010 02:34PM

Sykk wrote: »

I was being so serious to the point of a joke, punk'd :pac:

SOLD!!

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