RTE Documentry Rescue 117

Beeker · 10-09-2010 09:53AM #1

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but new documentry starting on RTE 1 next Tuesday night Sept 14 at 20:30 on the Waterford based Search and rescue helicopter Rescue 117. Looks interesting on for 6 weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3GJGy6iz8

Manic Moran · 13-09-2010 04:21AM

I can never keep up with the IAC/ICG/CHC relationship. Last I had heard, ICG had given the rescue mission to CHC under contract. This has apparently changed back again?

NTM

Klunk001 · 13-09-2010 09:45AM

No,all four helo bases at the mo provide SAR for the IRCG under a contract with CHC until mid 2013. The next contract kicks off mid 2013 for 10 years, with new technology between IRCG/CHC.

punchdrunk · 13-09-2010 12:50PM

can't wait for this!

vulcan57 · 14-09-2010 07:59PM

Excellent first programme, really good to see the Irish SAR on TV.

abbyw1989 · 14-09-2010 09:08PM

I missed it! Anyone know if it's repeated/available online?

cyrusdvirus · 14-09-2010 09:41PM

Just watching it in the Sky box..... Capt Dara is Hawt!!!!!

Sorry for going o.t. Mods!!

donkey balls · 14-09-2010 10:27PM

abbyw1989 wrote: »

I missed it! Anyone know if it's repeated/available online?

should be able to catch it on rte player

abbyw1989 · 14-09-2010 11:11PM

donkey balls wrote: »

should be able to catch it on rte player

Can't see it on there, but thanks anyway

donkey balls · 14-09-2010 11:16PM

abbyw1989 wrote: »

Can't see it on there, but thanks anyway

they normally have it up within 24hrs of the program been broadcast, i managed to watch free fall this morning and that was shown monday night.

Manic Moran · 15-09-2010 06:10AM

Klunk001 wrote: »

No,all four helo bases at the mo provide SAR for the IRCG under a contract with CHC until mid 2013. The next contract kicks off mid 2013 for 10 years, with new technology between IRCG/CHC.

The uniforms and helos say 'Coast Guard' on them, so I presume the personnel and S-61s are not contracted. Is the contract just for the support and sustainment facilities?

NTM

Beeker · 15-09-2010 06:35AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The uniforms and helos say 'Coast Guard' on them, so I presume the personnel and S-61s are not contracted. Is the contract just for the support and sustainment facilities?

NTM

No crew and helis are contracted. They belong to CHC but they wear the coast guard name on uniforms and on the vehicles.

Silent Death · 15-09-2010 07:12AM

My dad was the one who got this going for the ICG, we have the next few episodes here, they get much much better as they go on, oh and gatecrash, i now Dara

Oh and your right they do contract out the work but they are responsible to the ICG for the duration of the contract.

petergfiffin · 15-09-2010 07:21AM

I generally like these programmes and this was no exception although one thing I found v annoying is the amount of repitition in the voice over, after the ad break we basically get the first 2 minutes of the introduction all over again, not unique to this programme but I think somehow most of us can remember what happened 15 minutes earlier!! (well most of the time anyway

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Would have been interested to hear more about how Dara became a SAR pilot because I got the impression it wasn't through the military route.

cyrusdvirus · 15-09-2010 07:54AM

petergfiffin wrote: »

Would have been interested to hear more about how Dara became a SAR pilot because I got the impression it wasn't through the military route.

it's on for another 5 weeks... maybe they might go into that.

Beeker · 15-09-2010 08:21AM

petergfiffin wrote: »

Would have been interested to hear more about how Dara became a SAR pilot because I got the impression it wasn't through the military route.

Interesting clip here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btjZ8MhmhuU

testicle · 15-09-2010 10:06AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The uniforms and helos say 'Coast Guard' on them, so I presume the personnel and S-61s are not contracted. Is the contract just for the support and sustainment facilities?

NTM

Our Coast Guard isn't the same as yours!

xflyer · 15-09-2010 04:15PM

The Coastguard is a mostly volunteer force. Some might argue the Naval service might be better off constituted as the Coastguard. But that's for another day.

There are several SAR pilots who didn't come down the military route. But often they are recruited through the North sea and other oil rig flying overseas. Clearly though many are ex military not least because that's where the best training is to be found. It's not a job for newly trained young pilot as they fly very few hours a year, maybe 250-300. There's a lot of sitting around.

Silent Death · 15-09-2010 04:57PM

xflyer wrote: »

The Coastguard is a mostly volunteer force. Some might argue the Naval service might be better off constituted as the Coastguard. But that's for another day.

Navy isn't big enough to do the job to the same standard. It also wont have the same response time as the Coast Guard. Having it as a separate, non military force makes sense unless you give the Coast Guard the patrolling duties the Navy does and combine them, if you do that you might as well disband the Air-core, it is a lame duck that takes in a huge budget each year. Without the Volunteers the Coast Guard work, In Ireland we have one of the best Coast Guards in the world, only countries with large budgets beat us but even then they can have awful ideas such as their rescue swimmers....

Any way thats my 2 cents

andy_g · 15-09-2010 05:43PM

Silent Death wrote: »

Navy isn't big enough to do the job to the same standard. It also wont have the same response time as the Coast Guard. Having it as a separate, non military force makes sense unless you give the Coast Guard the patrolling duties the Navy does and combine them, if you do that you might as well disband the Air-core, it is a lame duck that takes in a huge budget each year. Without the Volunteers the Coast Guard work, In Ireland we have one of the best Coast Guards in the world, only countries with large budgets beat us but even then they can have awful ideas such as their rescue swimmers....

Any way thats my 2 cents

My god an airsofter that makes sense

welcom to the aviation forum man

Silent Death · 15-09-2010 07:28PM

andy_g wrote: »

My god an airsofter that makes sense welcome to the aviation forum man

My Dad is in the Coast Guard, i have experience with it, said i would see if his little project got any notice, he had a look at the posts, he has a big grin on his face. Love to train to be on the winch but i need to get to a Paramedic level...

andy_g · 15-09-2010 10:00PM

Silent Death wrote: »

My Dad is in the Coast Guard, i have experience with it, said i would see if his little project got any notice, he had a look at the posts, he has a big grin on his face. Love to train to be on the winch but i need to get to a Paramedic level...

O/T for a min. join the local order of malta brigade and start off first aider/first resonder and so on.

Now back on topic i missed it

nag · 16-09-2010 04:27PM

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1080452

cyrusdvirus · 22-09-2010 06:50AM

Just beginning to wonder, and not being morbid here, but roughly how many missions result in recovery of a body rather than bringing someone home to their family alive and kicking?

Last nights ep featured 3 rescues, all successful.
Last week was the light plane down off Tuskar rock rescue, (successful) and a search for a body (unsuccessful)

As an aside i like the interaction between the crews, (the comments between Capts Fitzpatrick & McDonagh last night) and the good natured slagging that seems to go on.. I'm sure some of it is put on for the cameras but it gives an indication of a close knit team all the same.

Storm 10 · 22-09-2010 11:35AM

Last night RTE before they showed the film they gave a warning that some viewers may find the scenes distressing, I did not see anything distressing about what they showed, I was expecting to see worse.

Why give a warning when there is nothing distressing for viewers to see is it all hype??

oglaigh · 22-09-2010 02:55PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Last night RTE before they showed the film they gave a warning that some viewers may find the scenes distressing, I did not see anything distressing about what they showed, I was expecting to see worse.

Why give a warning when there is nothing distressing for viewers to see is it all hype??

What you were expecting a show sponsored by ogrish or something??
The first episode they showed a search for a body. I had a relative kill themselves by jumping from a cliff who's body was found by the coastguard and RNLI. Now I wasnt upset so to speak by the footage last week but it certainly brought back memories of the night he died so I can see how some people could find those scenes distressing.

Manic Moran · 24-09-2010 05:13AM

Beeker wrote: »

No crew and helis are contracted. They belong to CHC but they wear the coast guard name on uniforms and on the vehicles.

I'd consider that a little... odd.

Do the contractors who work with the gardai wear 'Garda' name plates?

CHC have a contract to fly US military around Afghanistan, I used their flights quite often. No 'US Army' markings on them.

NTM

Trotter · 24-09-2010 07:31AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'd consider that a little... odd.

Do the contractors who work with the gardai wear 'Garda' name plates?

CHC have a contract to fly US military around Afghanistan, I used their flights quite often. No 'US Army' markings on them.

NTM

Here's one of the rescue helicopters. They have Irish Coast Guard on the side and underneath. They aren't linked to the Gardaí.

punchdrunk · 24-09-2010 07:55AM

But the difference here is that our coast guard are a volunteer force
So I guess the arguement to be made here is your hired by CHC,but volunteer to join the IRCG

The whole idea is encourage integration of all units and minimize inter-service squabbles
Also if branded CHC alot of civies might think it was a private service,and not call 999 and ask for the coastguard helicopter if they thought it wasn't 100% free

Storm 10 · 24-09-2010 09:06AM

oglaigh wrote: »

What you were expecting a show sponsored by ogrish or something??
The first episode they showed a search for a body. I had a relative kill themselves by jumping from a cliff who's body was found by the coastguard and RNLI. Now I wasnt upset so to speak by the footage last week but it certainly brought back memories of the night he died so I can see how some people could find those scenes distressing.

Of course I dont want to see anything all I was saying was what they said at the start of the programme, sorry about your relative.

They do a fantastic job in the Coastguard, I wonder how many times searchers passed by the wall where the helicopter found the missing man with the flir camera not knowing they were so close to him.

donkey balls · 24-09-2010 09:33AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'd consider that a little... odd.

Do the contractors who work with the gardai wear 'Garda' name plates?

CHC have a contract to fly US military around Afghanistan, I used their flights quite often. No 'US Army' markings on them.

NTM

contractors in the Gardai?:eek:never heard of that before, sure the Gardai air support is crewed by the IAC(with a gaurd on board)and the acft is in the Gardai livery.
as for CHC i reckon the contract they have is ACMI some airlines have this in place around the world,i know my old crowd used alot of ACMI and the acft was painted in the company colours to people that did not know much about airline operations they assume the acft was ours.

Manic Moran · 24-09-2010 08:58PM

You miss the point. I would consider the Coast Guard to be a government agency, as such wearing the symbols of the government should be somewhat restricted. My Garda comment wasn't about the aircraft, but any civilian contractor who works for the Gardai, such as their computer technicians or some such.

But the difference here is that our coast guard are a volunteer force

When I was in the FCA it was a volunteer force, but I think someone might have had an issue should the guys in the local garage contracted to fix the Ford vans go around wearing green with "Oglaidh na hEireann" badges when working on them.

NTM

donkey balls · 24-09-2010 09:13PM

as far as i know the gardai have their own IT lads anyway(actual gardai) i dont see a problem with CHC having the ICG splashed accross their choppers, I would have a concern if actual private contracters working for the govt depts had access to the likes of uniforms/headed paper etc as it could be used for the wrong reasons.
also CHC are contracted by the NSW govt in Aus to provide SAR &EMS.

punchdrunk · 24-09-2010 10:54PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

You miss the point. I would consider the Coast Guard to be a government agency, as such wearing the symbols of the government should be somewhat restricted. My Garda comment wasn't about the aircraft, but any civilian contractor who works for the Gardai, such as their computer technicians or some such.

When I was in the FCA it was a volunteer force, but I think someone might have had an issue should the guys in the local garage contracted to fix the Ford vans go around wearing green with "Oglaidh na hEireann" badges when working on them.

NTM

but it's the Government that's PAYING them to wear the uniform??

Im confused as to what's the issue here?,
the coastguard isn't a branch of the military,and members don't have to powers of arrest as per the US coastguard
ten years ago we had dozens of little volunteer groups around the country,cliff rescue teams,inshore lifeboats,the RNLI,the Bond ltd helicopters contracted at the time

frankly it was all over the shop,now it's been brought together to standardise training and show the public a united image,for PR reasons alone it's worth it

punchdrunk · 24-09-2010 10:57PM

donkey balls wrote: »

as far as i know the gardai have their own IT lads anyway(actual gardai) i dont see a problem with CHC having the ICG splashed accross their choppers, I would have a concern if actual private contracters working for the govt depts had access to the likes of uniforms/headed paper etc as it could be used for the wrong reasons.
also CHC are contracted by the NSW govt in Aus to provide SAR &EMS.

and to provide SAR for the UK coastguard too

their choppers also say COASTGUARD on them

BrianD · 24-09-2010 11:17PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

You miss the point. I would consider the Coast Guard to be a government agency, as such wearing the symbols of the government should be somewhat restricted. My Garda comment wasn't about the aircraft, but any civilian contractor who works for the Gardai, such as their computer technicians or some such.

It is a government agency but it deals with the purely civilian aspects of "Coast Guarding" - rescue, polution control. The legal and military aspects of "coast guarding" are provided by the Navy, customs and gardai.

It's a contracted civilian role and I don't see any unusual use of Government symbols on uniforms, aircraft etc.

I think the contracting of CHC helicopters to the US military is somewhat different. There's plentry of reasons why the US military use "civilian contractors" and would prefer not to have "USA" written on the side of the aircraft or the uniforms of staff.

cml387 · 26-09-2010 05:33PM

..getting back to discussing the programme:o

It's very impressive.I presume they're using helmet cameras for the action,I don't think I've seen anything so "real" on any other SAR documentary.

Dara doesn't look nearly old enough to be flying for 20 years either. I have a new hero!

cyrusdvirus · 05-10-2010 08:29PM

Ok, call me a big girls blouse, but there was a tear in the eye when Baby Isaac came back to the base for a visit.

Must've been an itch, yep, that's it, an itch......

Silent Death · 05-10-2010 08:41PM

cml387 wrote: »

..getting back to discussing the programme:o

It's very impressive.I presume they're using helmet cameras for the action,I don't think I've seen anything so "real" on any other SAR documentary.

Dara doesn't look nearly old enough to be flying for 20 years either. I have a new hero!

Yup Helmet cams and cameras installed around the heli. There were no camera men on the chopper as it would take space that the crew needed so they sometimes filmed on the ground when there was time

punchdrunk · 05-10-2010 08:50PM

great episode tonight,indeed good contrast between the high's of saving a baby and the low's of recovering a body

also doesn't it make you mad that our hospitals don't have helipads??
this landing at GAA pitches is a joke,thank you very much to the management of the HSE :rolleyes:

Trotter · 05-10-2010 08:52PM

punchdrunk wrote: »

great episode tonight,indeed good contrast between the high's of saving a baby and the low's of recovering a body

also doesn't it make you mad that our hospitals don't have helipads??
this landing at GAA pitches is a joke,thank you very much to the management of the HSE :rolleyes:

Its a rugby pitch right beside the hospital. I dont think theres a space on the hospital grounds that could safely take the S61n helicopter that they use. Its a beast of a machine. Patients would be transferred in less than 2mins I would guess.

punchdrunk · 05-10-2010 08:55PM

Trotter wrote: »

Its a rugby pitch right beside the hospital. I dont think theres a space on the hospital grounds that could safely take the S61n helicopter that they use. Its a beast of a machine. Patients would be transferred in less than 2mins I would guess.

glad to hear at least waterford is sorted,but look at the likes of Beaumont,they have to land at Dublin Airport and then transfer by road,valuable time wasted!

Trotter · 05-10-2010 09:05PM

punchdrunk wrote: »

glad to hear at least waterford is sorted,but look at the likes of Beaumont,they have to land at Dublin Airport and then transfer by road,valuable time wasted!

Thats nuts alright.. I wonder will the new helis be more suited to helipads in confined areas.

05-10-2010 09:53PM

Really enjoying this show.

Tonight was great, and to see a lift from the ferry which I have seen many times when I used to work at sea.

punchdrunk · 05-10-2010 10:29PM

Trotter wrote: »

Thats nuts alright.. I wonder will the new helis be more suited to helipads in confined areas.

doubt it,the s-92 is only 2 ft shorter than the s-61

Sterling Archer · 06-10-2010 01:23AM

Verry good show, enjoyed it alot, the mission in the snow reminded me of the one R115 did to locate an old man in a blizzard last christmas...

livedadream · 14-03-2017 03:13PM

RIP Dara, you were some woman for one woman.

RTE Documentry Rescue 117

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