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Qualities of fish oil supplements

  • 05-10-2010 09:55AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭


    Are different fish oils better depending on the type of fish and stuff?

    Is cod liver oil basically the same as everything else??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭DARCHA22


    1. YES
    2. NO


    You want omega 3 fish oil, check the details on where the fish are from if you can, The retailer should usually disclose this info.

    Icelandic fish are less contanimated, if i remember correctly, have less heavy metals in them.

    Krill oil is supposidly the best, but its expensive ehough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    This article explains the difference between Cod liver Oil and Fish Oil and why Fish Oil has better health benefits.


    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭DARCHA22


    Info like this


    Myprotein omega 3
    http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/omega_3

    Omega 3 is an essential fatty acid (EFA) that is sourced from fish oil. Fatty acids are the basis of fats & oils, and are necessary for overall health and well being. They are essential to the human body because they are a component of every living cell in the body. EFAs are necessary for rebuilding existing cells and the production of new cells. Essential fatty acids are made up of EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) which are both long chain fatty acids that have been shown to provide a number of health benefits.

    A number of studies have shown that fish oil can reduce the risk of heart disease, reduce the incidence of strokes, and improve some measures of depression. Recent studies have also shown that essential fatty acids can direct glucose (from digested carbohydrates) towards glycogen storage while at the same time directing other fatty acids in the body away from triglyceride synthesis (fat storage) and towards fatty acid oxidation. In simple terms, essential fatty acids appear to conserve carbohydrates while simultaneously burning fat.

    Our Omega 3 has a max of 0.1ppm Heavy Metals.




    Krill oil
    http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/neptune_krill_oil

    Krill oil is sourced from deepwater marine planktonic crustaceans which make up the planets largest animal biomass. NKO® is extracted from the Krill using a patented extraction method which ensures the unmatched natural stability of the product with no added preservatives.

    NKO® Krill Oil provides a fantastic source of unique phospholipids, rich in antioxidants and the two essential Omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, EPA and DHA. It is also a particularly good source of choline. NKO® Krill Oil has been shown to offer the following benefits:

    Fights aging and oxidation
    Provides significant joint protection
    Promotes longevity of life
    Fights fatigue
    Promotes health of the body and mind
    Additional Information

    As an antioxidant, NKO® Krill Oil is unmatched in potency by many of the most popular products on the market today. Independent testing has shown the following results of NKO® Krill Oils potency:

    Over 300 times greater than Vitamins A & E
    Over 48 times greater than Omega-3
    Over 34 times greater than Co Q-10

    It has also been clinically proven to increase HDL by up to 44% and reduce LDL by up to 34%.

    The advanced extraction process of NKO® Krill Oil is performed with the complete absence of Hexane, a chemical often used in lesser quality Krill supplements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    Not to say you should take it but i use

    http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?id=61

    and find that although the 8 pills a day seems a whole lot i feel great using compared to not using.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    carlsons all the way - much more bang for your buck.

    I go liquid when ever possible with either carlsons or the liquid from myprotein -

    http://www.iherb.com/Carlson-Labs-The-Very-Finest-Fish-Oil-Lemon-Flavor-16-8-fl-oz-500-ml/2796?at=0

    for tablets i go with -

    http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-RxOmega-3-Factors-Pharmaceutical-Grade-120-Softgels/2717?at=0

    on that one its 400mg EPA and 200 DHA PER TABLET.

    Compare that to the massively overpriced eskimo oil tablets


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    Make sure there's a really high STD content or don't bother buying it Chris.

    Seriously though, don't spend the earth it's all largely the same. The boots one is decent for a decent price. I once went to a BBQ and was forced to stand with 4 guys while they discussed the merits of their fish oils. Brand, content, texture the lot. Worse thing was that I had to remain polite when I said I used the Boots tabs and they scoffed in unison because I was under oath that I would remain polite for the evening. Then they discussed the merits of chondriton and glucosamine I'm telling you it was a thrilling evening.

    So basically, find one you like, assess price versus quality and mutliply it out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    I use the myprotein ones. £9 for 250 caps. Great value. Can't stand the liquids myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Khannie wrote: »
    I use the myprotein ones. £9 for 250 caps. Great value. Can't stand the liquids myself.

    Me too, seem to be the cheapest going. I've had a few conversations with people recently about the theory of superdosing with fish oils - I know two guys (both olympic weightlifters) who swear by it for reducing joint pain, but when I asked a Sports Nutrition PhD-type person about it he said that blood thinning could be a possible side-effect. I haven't looked into the science of this so Id don't know what truth there is to it.

    There's also the toilet issue but that's probably unnecessarily gross for the forum :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Chris89


    Yeah I use the holland and barret ones. Cheap as I could find.

    Why do people make/take/sell Cod liver oil if it's so crap??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭omniscient_toad


    g'em wrote: »
    Me too, seem to be the cheapest going. I've had a few conversations with people recently about the theory of superdosing with fish oils - I know two guys (both olympic weightlifters) who swear by it for reducing joint pain, but when I asked a Sports Nutrition PhD-type person about it he said that blood thinning could be a possible side-effect. I haven't looked into the science of this so Id don't know what truth there is to it.

    There's also the toilet issue but that's probably unnecessarily gross for the forum :pac:

    Yes, I think it was a Dan John article I read the other day that recommended the straightforward but terrifying dosing system of progressively downing more and more each day until you had an unfortunate "toilet experience" and then cut back to slightly less than that amount :p . I can't say I've dared to try it myself, if you used caps you'd probably have to take a comical amount.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    I can't say I've dared to try it myself, if you used caps you'd probably have to take a comical amount.
    One of the guys I know was taking 80 caps/ day :eek: he's cut back on that now though, but he still swears by it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Chris89


    What, dare I enquire.. Is the toilet experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Fish oils can have a mild laxative effect. Superdosing fish oils can... well, you wouldn't want to be too far from a loo at any point in the day and a gas-mask on-hand would be recommended also :eek: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Poncherello


    Khannie wrote: »
    I use the myprotein ones. £9 for 250 caps. Great value. Can't stand the liquids myself.

    250 Caps ? are u sure ? Can u post a link please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    regarding quality - i would rather my tablets contain more epa/dha per tablet than less so the company that makes them is important.

    Just take the liquid and you can get a ton in really easliy then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭DARCHA22


    250 Caps ? are u sure ? Can u post a link please

    thats correct, see link above in my prev post for omega 3's

    4.49 for 90
    8.99 for 250
    29.95 for 1000
    149.99 for 6000 (can get these for 119.90 for 6000, use the price matcher and enter www.bulkpowders.co.uk)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    g'em wrote: »
    One of the guys I know was taking 80 caps/ day :eek: he's cut back on that now though, but he still swears by it.

    Good lord!!! 80!!!! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭omniscient_toad


    With that amount it's got to make more sense taking it in liquid form, I think it's about ten 1000mg caps to a tablespoon, as revolting as the stuff is I'd rather down it than munch my way through that many gelcaps. If you work out the value the caps are pretty horrible as well in comparison for the amount.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    holland and barrett do a Triple Omega which is a decent strength - although it is pricey at the RRP if you hit them during a 1/2 price sale (which is regular enough) they work out cheap enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭SanoVitae


    I once went to a BBQ and was forced to stand with 4 guys while they discussed the merits of their fish oils. Brand, content, texture the lot. Worse thing was that I had to remain polite when I said I used the Boots tabs and they scoffed in unison because I was under oath that I would remain polite for the evening. Then they discussed the merits of chondriton and glucosamine I'm telling you it was a thrilling evening.

    That reminds me of the scene from American Psycho where they are comparing business cards and trying to pathetically outdo each other! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    holland and barrett do a Triple Omega which is a decent strength - although it is pricey at the RRP if you hit them during a 1/2 price sale (which is regular enough) they work out cheap enough.

    You mean a 3/6/9? As I understand it they're just a marketing ploy / actually not as good for you as an omega 3 only equivalent. There is plenty of omega 6 in your diet already. Not sure what the craic with omega 9 is.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    SanoVitae wrote: »
    That reminds me of the scene from American Psycho where they are comparing business cards and trying to pathetically outdo each other! :D
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭omniscient_toad


    SanoVitae wrote: »
    That reminds me of the scene from American Psycho where they are comparing business cards and trying to pathetically outdo each other! :D

    Haha that's actually a really good analogy :D , reminds me of the MaxiMuscle thread and the condescending comments about the masses with their unmarked dubious sacks of protein and natural "retard strength". I could see that scene played out in a changing room with everyone outdoing the next with their "stack" while daydreaming about strangling the last guy in one of the toilet cubicles because he had 5mg more caffeine in his.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Khannie wrote: »
    You mean a 3/6/9? As I understand it they're just a marketing ploy / actually not as good for you as an omega 3 only equivalent. There is plenty of omega 6 in your diet already. Not sure what the craic with omega 9 is.
    agreed just get in more omega 3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Khannie wrote: »
    You mean a 3/6/9? As I understand it they're just a marketing ploy / actually not as good for you as an omega 3 only equivalent. There is plenty of omega 6 in your diet already. Not sure what the craic with omega 9 is.

    hmmmm...i'll go look at this. thanks for the tip.

    Edit: Just checked my tub and H&b offer 360-396mg of EPA and 240-264mg of DHA so that's alright compared to other omega pills...until I read the small print "PER 3". hmmm

    Transform wrote: »
    agreed just get in more omega 3

    I eat plenty of mackeral anyway so I'd only be looking for a top up.

    But I'll have a look about and compare with other tabs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    I got some omega 3 caps today. And vit C. And vit B12 for the craic.

    How much omega 3 should I be aiming to get in daily?

    1000mg caps, providing 300mg of DHA and EPA (total, I assume)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    http://whole9life.com/2010/03/robb-wolf-fish-oil-calculator/


    Under no circumstance should this be considered a contribution to the thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    http://whole9life.com/2010/03/robb-wolf-fish-oil-calculator/


    Under no circumstance should this be considered a contribution to the thread.

    FML. 34 per day??? Unlikely. I might take half that. That's still like a euro a day on fish oil!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Hanley wrote: »
    1000mg caps, providing 300mg of DHA and EPA (total, I assume)

    I'd say 2-5 of those per day.

    edit: That calculator says I should have 17 caps per day. :eek:

    *gobble* *gobble*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Chris89


    I assume taking them throughout the day is better than horsing twenty into you with your coco pops?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    I'm using the Tesco Cod Liver oil, cheapest of all (for a reason :pac:). Plenty of good effects, notably my knee pain has all but subsided. Will I get more benefits out of the more expensive ones? I'm tempted to get the IHerb.com one Transform recommended above, it works out cheaper than tesco on a per EPA/DHA quantity basis.

    Is Iherb based in the US? What are the chances I'll get stung for VAT/Customs duty when buying?

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,290 ✭✭✭Esse85


    I just use EVOO in my whey shakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭omniscient_toad


    Hanley wrote: »

    I'm not knowledgeable enough to directly comment on what he's saying but with the idea of superdosing omega 3's I'm not sure if this is supposed to be beneficial in it's own right or if it's meant to counteract levels of omega 6 which is much more common in most peoples diets. I've heard lots about the importance of an ideal ratio of omega 3/6 so i'm not sure if the benefits he's referring to (curing cancer/brain damage/MS) is caused by a good amount of both 3 and 6 at a better ratio (with the 3 superdosed to compensate for our generally 6 heavy diets) or if omega 3 alone in high doses is a wonder cure regardless of omega 6.

    Also, the amounts he's talking about are a lot lower than I would have expected for some of the fairly bonkers sounding cures he referred to, I thought he was going to come up with a dose way beyond anything your average joe soap would have tried, but 15grammes is roughly a tablespoon and a half of fishoil, so maybe if you contracted cancer/bashed your head vigorously and got brain damage we could put some of his claims to the test.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭SanoVitae


    Chris89 wrote: »
    I assume taking them throughout the day is better than horsing twenty into you with your coco pops?

    That's a surefire recipe for coco plops

    As with anything, you have to slowly up your dosage so that the body adapts. Otherwise, most of what you've spent your hard-earned money will end up in the form of unexpected toilet stains.

    Small does spread all throughout the day would therefore work better than one single dose IMO.


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