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College Football NCAA 2010 Season rankings, games/play action, calls, players, rants

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Great drive from Oregan's offence with SC not able to stop anything by the ducks, including a two point conversion

    It will be interesting to see how the Trojans react to this, they wont be able to settle for too many field goals like they had to on their opening drive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Tyler pounds it in from a yard out, looks like we'll have a good game!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,353 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Only 29-24 Ducks in the 3rd? Huh? Numero uno vs unranked USC and only this tiny lead thus far? My Trojans have no D too. This should not be a close game, so this close point spread cannot last.

    Edit: 32-29 Trojans in 3rd? So much for the polls.

    Edit: 36-32 Ducks after another Thomas pass to NZ. Still 3rd. Thomas is about 50%, while Barkely is near 60% completions so far this game.

    Edit: Ends 53-32 Ducks. There was no Trojan D during the 2nd and 4th quarters for some reason. Troy must of been playing with our cheerleaders during those quarters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Cam Newton does it again.

    Not happy with passing for 15 touchdowns and rushing for 14 touchdowns so far this year, he decides he'll haul in a receiving touchdown too.

    May as well just give him the Heisman now. Unbelievable stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Only 29-24 Ducks in the 3rd? Huh? Numero uno vs unranked USC and only this tiny lead thus far? My Trojans have no D too. This should not be a close game, so this close point spread cannot last.

    Edit: 32-29 Trojans in 3rd? So much for the polls.

    Edit: 36-32 Ducks after another Thomas pass to NZ. Still 3rd. Thomas is about 50%, while Barkely is near 60% completions so far this game.

    Edit: Ends 53-32 Ducks. There was no Trojan D during the 2nd and 4th quarters for some reason. Troy must of been playing with our cheerleaders during those quarters.

    That post is for me why the Ducks are the best team right now. SC could hang with them for 40 mins or so but then Oregon pulled away. Its worth remembering SC had a bye week last week so had extra time to prepare for this game and even with it being the biggest game of their season they still couldnt keep up with Oregon


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Oregon's defence doesn't impress me. Then again neither does Auburn's. But will it even matter?

    Boise State's defence is much better than both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Lirange wrote: »
    Oregon's defence doesn't impress me. Then again neither does Auburn's. But will it even matter?

    Boise State's defence is much better than both.

    Bit harsh on Auburn. Their defense is pretty solid but they have had some off games. Oregon have a very shaky defence.

    They have by far the most explosive offense in the country though. That said I dont think they are the best team around.

    They genuinely havent played a good defense all year. USC are ok, but this isnt a top ranked USC team either. The PAC 10 overall has been a bit overhyped this year if you ask me.

    I would think Alabama or Nebraska would beat Oregon if truth be told.

    At this stage of the year Id rank my top 10 as follows

    1. Auburn
    2. Nebraska
    3. Alabama
    4. Oregon
    5. Boise
    6. LSU
    7. Utah
    8. TCU
    9. Wisconsin
    10. Ohio State

    End of year I expect Alamaba to win at home versus Auburn then to beat the Gamecocks in the SEC title game and retain their NC versus Oregon.

    Personally speaking Id love to see one of the non AQ's make the NC game v Oregon (Think Boise deserve it but think Utah wil end up top non AQ team) but it just wont happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Archimedes wrote: »
    May as well just give him the Heisman now. Unbelievable stuff.

    Not so fast


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Read about that alright. If there's any hint of wrong doing (which there appears to be), even if unproven, there's no way he'll get it. They just won't go down that road again.

    In other news, anyone hear of Jeff Driskel? High school QB who has already committed to Florida. He's supposed to be the business, a once in a generation QB for his age andwill apparently make them forget about Tebow. No pressure then! Been reading up about him. Scouts are raving mad about him. 6'3 and 225 already. Some are already tipping him for a Heisman in his freshman year which is a bit mad, but it'll be interesting to follow his progress.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Archimedes wrote: »
    Read about that alright. If there's any hint of wrong doing (which there appears to be), even if unproven, there's no way he'll get it. They just won't go down that road again.

    In other news, anyone hear of Jeff Driskel? High school QB who has already committed to Florida. He's supposed to be the business, a once in a generation QB for his age andwill apparently make them forget about Tebow. No pressure then! Been reading up about him. Scouts are raving mad about him. 6'3 and 225 already. Some are already tipping him for a Heisman in his freshman year which is a bit mad, but it'll be interesting to follow his progress.

    Sounds similar to the hype USC had last year about David Sills. Only time will tell if theres any substance to both Driskel or Sills


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    hmm just reading up on this kid. Only #12 ranked QB according to scouts.com

    He has only won 5 out of 28 highschool games as the QB. Doesn't sound to me like he backs up the hype.

    Forget winning the Heisman as a Freshman, he sounds prime redshirt material.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Well Driskel is a hell of a long way further down the line. Sills is what, still 13 or 14? Driskel is nearly 19 and has already been named MVP of the Elite 11 which went a long way to convincing Florida he was their guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    D3PO wrote: »
    hmm just reading up on this kid. Only #12 ranked QB according to scouts.com

    He has only won 5 out of 28 highschool games as the QB. Doesn't sound to me like he backs up the hype.

    Forget winning the Heisman as a Freshman, he sounds prime redshirt material.

    #1 ranked QB according to Rivals and ESPN. He only has 5 wins because his high school suck pretty much. I trust Florida and Urban Meyer know what they're getting ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Archimedes wrote: »
    Well Driskel is a hell of a long way further down the line. Sills is what, still 13 or 14? Driskel is nearly 19 and has already been named MVP of the Elite 11 which went a long way to convincing Florida he was their guy.

    True Sills is still only 14. Still seems to be Driskel is being hyped a bit. MVP of the Elite 11 is good but isnt enough to convince me. I mean if you take 1 game in and let it convince you then you have had it. Last years Senior Bowl for example then Dan LeFevour should be tearing it up in the NFL this year ....

    Any elite QB that only wins 5 of 28 games in Highschool has to have a lot of question marks if you ask me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Archimedes wrote: »
    #1 ranked QB according to Rivals and ESPN. He only has 5 wins because his high school suck pretty much. I trust Florida and Urban Meyer know what they're getting ;)

    You must be a Gator fan :p:p Even if your HS team sucks an elite QB should be able to win games on his own :cool::cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Justin Blackmon having a ridiculous game for Oklahoma St.

    Have never seen a sophomore with such good hands. He doesn't drop anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    This Michigan - Illinois game is ridiculous


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    3rd OT in the Michigan/Illinois game 59-59 :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    This is why College OT is so much better than the NFL first team to score dribble. Got to love the fact in 3rd OT you have to go for 2pt conversion if you score.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Johnny_Trotter


    Archimedes wrote: »
    This Michigan - Illinois game is ridiculous

    What a great game! It's fantastic that they have to attack to win.

    Would love to be one of the 110,000 in Ann Arbor watching that game unfold, especially with the finish as it was


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    LSU rising after a huge win over 'bama. A lot of players rising on draft boards too after an incredible defensive performance. Great, great game. Delighted for Les Miles, he is one of the head coaches I really like. He is not afraid to say what he has to say and has the balls to try big plays at anytime if he feels its on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If I was a bad team in the NFL with a QB problem and I knew that Andrew Luck was definitely entering the draft this year I'd purposely mess the team up and make sure I had that no.1 pick. Guy just looks ready made to be a star in the NFL. Can't help but think that having a former NFL QB and a good one at that as your head coach has been a huge help in his development.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    eagle eye wrote: »
    If I was a bad team in the NFL with a QB problem and I knew that Andrew Luck was definitely entering the draft this year I'd purposely mess the team up and make sure I had that no.1 pick. Guy just looks ready made to be a star in the NFL. Can't help but think that having a former NFL QB and a good one at that as your head coach has been a huge help in his development.

    He's so far ahead of the others in his class. And that's saying something considering that class has Mallet, Locker, Ponder etc. If the Bills have overall first pick, picking anyone other than Luck would be one of the worst decisions in recent years.

    Speaking of terrible decisions, how much must Jake Locker be regretting not declaring last year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Well done to Kansas by the way. Down by 28 with 11 minutes left in the 4th quarter, they went on to score 35 unanswered points and win the game :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Quick question about college football - seeing as I haven't been able to watch any since I was at college myself and we had Setanta and this is pretty much my first season following NFL fully - but how do many of the QB talents do when they come through? Like I remember watching a guy called Ryan Perriolux (can't remember who for - think it was USC - if that's even a college) who looked the tits but have never heard of him since.

    Also, who is most likely to be the first round picks for next season or is it too early to tell?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    Quick question about college football - seeing as I haven't been able to watch any since I was at college myself and we had Setanta and this is pretty much my first season following NFL fully - but how do many of the QB talents do when they come through? Like I remember watching a guy called Ryan Perriolux (can't remember who for - think it was USC - if that's even a college) who looked the tits but have never heard of him since.

    Also, who is most likely to be the first round picks for next season or is it too early to tell?

    Some make it some don't. In College there is guys who look amazing but when they try to adapt to pro style offenses they fail. The there are others i.e Ryan Leaf types and JeMarcus Russell types who had awesome college careers and then their attitude let them down in the pros and they sucked.

    As for Ryan Perriolux dude had potential but was always in trouble. Freshman and Sophmore years with LSU and then he was booted from the team in 2008 and ended up with Jacksonville state. Had he not been such a clown he could have had a solid career. Now plays in the UFL as far as I know.

    QBs are hit and miss when it comes to the transition from College to Pro. Peyton Manning 1st round and instant starter to Tom Brady 6th round pick and under the radar in college and got his start in New England due to injury to another starting QB. Both are considered Elite QB as you know. Its really hard to say these days who will make it and who wont. So many let downs and surprises over the last decade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Some make it some don't. In College there is guys who look amazing but when they try to adapt to pro style offenses they fail. The there are others i.e Ryan Leaf types and JeMarcus Russell types who had awesome college careers and then their attitude let them down in the pros and they sucked.

    As for Ryan Perriolux dude had potential but was always in trouble. Freshman and Sophmore years with LSU and then he was booted from the team in 2008 and ended up with Jacksonville state. Had he not been such a clown he could have had a solid career. Now plays in the UFL as far as I know.

    QBs are hit and miss when it comes to the transition from College to Pro. Peyton Manning 1st round and instant starter to Tom Brady 6th round pick and under the radar in college and got his start in New England due to injury to another starting QB. Both are considered Elite QB as you know. Its really hard to say these days who will make it and who wont. So many let downs and surprises over the last decade.

    Cheers mate. Yeah spent a while going through the Heisman winners recently and there's as many top players as duds by the looks of it. Just trying to get a grasp on everything and in fairness the fantasy NFL has helped in terms of names and teams because I used to watch the odd game here and there (mainly the Patriots and Brady) but haven't got into it as much as this year.

    And we'll say when the draft comes around, what happens if say Cam Newton is picked first by the Bills and he doesn't want to play for them - or he demands a ridiculous amount from them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    And we'll say when the draft comes around, what happens if say Cam Newton is picked first by the Bills and he doesn't want to play for them - or he demands a ridiculous amount from them?

    Well Newton hasn't even decided if he'll enter the draft yet or not. He can stay in college for another year if wants, although Im sure he'll look at the likes of Jake Locker who's stock was huge last year, and decided to stay on for another year. He's had a poor season so far, and his stock has fallen dramatically and has potentially cost himself millions in losing what would have been a top 2 or 3 pick. Having said that, there are a lot of better of QBs in the draft for a pro style offence (Luck, Mallet, Locker, Ponder and maybe even Foles) and it's very likely that Newton will enter as a running back (which many said Tebow should do).

    If he doesn't agree a deal with the team that drafted him, I could be wrong, but I think that team gets a compensatory pick for the following year and that player has to sit out the whole season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Archimedes wrote: »
    If he doesn't agree a deal with the team that drafted him, I could be wrong, but I think that team gets a compensatory pick for the following year and that player has to sit out the whole season.


    correct. or they can of course trade him before the trade deadlline if they cant agree terms.

    I think Newton going for the draft next year would be a bad decision personally. Yes you could end up in a Jake Locker type situation but theres 2 real things for him to look at in terms of applying for the draft.

    1. No CBA yet. Its unlikely but a lockout is still a possibility
    2. Probably the best QB class in terms of Pro style passers in a good while, that doesnt mean they will be a success but if Cam went into the draft as a QB and not a RB he could have quite poor draft prospects.

    as for overall draft prospects in work right now but UnitedIrishman if you want a quick view on em check out Mel Kiepers big board on espn.com will float some of the better named prospects for ya (althought i never fully agree with him)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    D3PO wrote: »
    Probably the best QB class in terms of Pro style passers in a good while, that doesnt mean they will be a success but if Cam went into the draft as a QB and not a RB he could have quite poor draft prospects

    Just wondering but apart from Luck and Mallet who else is head and shoulders above Newton? Jake Locker has had a terrible season and for a team to draft him high they are placing a lot of faith in him. Nick Foles has been good but hasnt shown much to say that he is an early pick, same goes for numerous QBs.

    Keelen Moore looks great but will he come out this year? Andy Dalton could be a decent pro and Terelle Pryor will go pretty high but I cant see why he would be chosen over the likes of Newton.

    Apart from those players noone has really jumped out as me as a potential superstar. Newton though has only one year starting and with the investigation and now allegations of academic cheating at Florida his inexperience will probably cost him a high draft.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Just wondering but apart from Luck and Mallet who else is head and shoulders above Newton? Jake Locker has had a terrible season and for a team to draft him high they are placing a lot of faith in him. Nick Foles has been good but hasnt shown much to say that he is an early pick, same goes for numerous QBs.

    Keelen Moore looks great but will he come out this year? Andy Dalton could be a decent pro and Terelle Pryor will go pretty high but I cant see why he would be chosen over the likes of Newton.

    Apart from those players noone has really jumped out as me as a potential superstar. Newton though has only one year starting and with the investigation and now allegations of academic cheating at Florida his inexperience will probably cost him a high draft.

    Id be surprised if Kellen Moore is drafted. He cant make throws downfield or outside the hashes with any velocity. He would be a liability at the next level. And I hate saying that becasue hes such a class college QB.

    Next time you watch Boise pay attention to the outside throws from the pocket. You will see what I mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    I think Luck, Locker (despite this season), Ponder & Mallett would all go above Newton. You would think Newton would be in the next tranch of QB prospects.

    Even if he was the #5 QB off the board, you have to look at who wants to draft a QB high in the draft ?

    NFC East ? Washington perhaps but given they invested in McNaab last off season I cant see it

    NFC North ? Vikings maybe but I suspect they will just go back to Jackson if Farve finally retiers so I dont think so.

    NFC South ? Carolina would be the only one but they spend a second round on Clausen last year so I doubt they will go back for another QB

    NFC West ? Seattle, Arizona & San Fran all possibilities. Lets assume they all draft a QB with their first pick

    AFC East ? Buffalo should take one. So thats 4 QB's

    AFC North ? Dont see any of them taking a QB.

    AFC South ? Likewise

    AFC West ? Oakland maybe but Id say thats a stretch.

    Newton could genuinely find it Rd3 or later if he declares depending on the combine etc.

    I think hanging on another year makes more sence, but then again it wouldnt be the first time I called somebodies draft prospects wrong :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    D3PO wrote: »
    I think Luck, Locker (despite this season), Ponder & Mallett would all go above Newton. You would think Newton would be in the next tranch of QB prospects

    I think hanging on another year makes more sence, but then again it wouldnt be the first time I called somebodies draft prospects wrong :)

    I think that with the NCAA investigation and the latest raft f rumours about him that he will have little option but to go into the pros. His lack of experience is sure to count against him(one year starting) but I can only see Luck and Mallett as better qbs as things stand.

    Locker is playing on a bad team but he has looked terrible in the games I've seen of him this season but teams might still look at last years tapes and say that he is woth a shot. Beyond the top two (and possibly Locker if teams look at his full file) there is a drop off in talent that Newton could fill. I'm with you that he is a tier 2 QB as things stand but there just isnt anyone other than Luck that you look at and say "he's ready for the NFL"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    D3PO wrote: »

    as for overall draft prospects in work right now but UnitedIrishman if you want a quick view on em check out Mel Kiepers big board on espn.com will float some of the better named prospects for ya (althought i never fully agree with him)

    Cheer for that, will have a look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    frostie500 wrote: »
    I think that with the NCAA investigation and the latest raft f rumours about him that he will have little option but to go into the pros. His lack of experience is sure to count against him(one year starting) but I can only see Luck and Mallett as better qbs as things stand.

    Locker is playing on a bad team but he has looked terrible in the games I've seen of him this season but teams might still look at last years tapes and say that he is woth a shot. Beyond the top two (and possibly Locker if teams look at his full file) there is a drop off in talent that Newton could fill. I'm with you that he is a tier 2 QB as things stand but there just isnt anyone other than Luck that you look at and say "he's ready for the NFL"

    totally agree.

    RE Locker hes in a terrible team hard to lay all the blame on him. He has no offensive line and the Washington running game is crappy. I think teams will see past his performances this year and once he has a good combine he will still have a first round draft stock IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭Eire-Dearg


    What does going in to the draft as a RB change to his prospects? Would he be expected to purely take up a running back club at the team he's drafted to?

    Or is it simply suggesting that he wants to be picked, whether you want to use me as a RB or a QB?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    IMO hard work and accuracy are the two most important attributes for a QB to have in the NFL. The rest is important, but that's number 1. Look at how Sam Bradford has stepped in at St. Louis.

    A lot of college QB's become stars with a big running game. this is supplementary, even irrelevant in the NFL, unless your Vick (and even then he runs only when he has to).

    But you have to dedicate yourself to being great even after you've $20+ million in the bank. And you'd be surprised how some feel the hard work has paid off when this happens, when really it's only begun.

    As for accuracy... this never fails to astound me:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Eire-Dearg wrote: »
    What does going in to the draft as a RB change to his prospects? Would he be expected to purely take up a running back club at the team he's drafted to?

    Or is it simply suggesting that he wants to be picked, whether you want to use me as a RB or a QB?

    Not sure never considered what RB's are out there to be drafted. Hes probably more likely to see the field sooner as a RB for sure.

    If you declare as a RB though your saying take me as an RB who can play as wildcat QB moreso than take me and I can play QB or RB for you.

    That said lots of scenarios if he wants to go in as a QB id suggest he returns next year pending any possible NCAA sanctions. If the NCAA come down on him re the current accusations he may have no choice but declare for the draft.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    And we'll say when the draft comes around, what happens if say Cam Newton is picked first by the Bills and he doesn't want to play for them

    This actually happened with Eli Manning and with John Elway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    davyjose wrote: »
    I hard work and accuracy are the two most important attributes for a QB to have in the NFL. The rest is important, but that's number 1.

    I totally disagree with this. Theres no 2 attributes that tick the box to be an NFL QB especially the 2 mentioned.

    If that was the case Graham Harrell would have been a top draft pick with a career completion % of over 70% guess what he went undrafted !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    D3PO wrote: »
    Theres no 2 attributes that tick the box to be an NFL QB especially the 2 mentioned.

    In fairness, statistically there has got to 2 attributes that are more likely to offer you success in the NFL, whatever that may be. I'm not wrong saying having certain strengths offers you a better chance.

    Of course there are outliers, as with anything. Your sole example proves that, but if you look at the succesful QB's, they ALL have these two attributes. Of course there are more required, but IMO, these two are vital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    davyjose wrote: »
    In fairness, statistically there has got to 2 attributes that are more likely to offer you success in the NFL, whatever that may be. I'm not wrong saying having certain strengths offers you a better chance.

    Of course there are outliers, as with anything. Your sole example proves that, but if you look at the succesful QB's, they ALL have these two attributes. Of course there are more required, but IMO, these two are vital.

    true but you need to add in height, arm strength, vision, intelligence, work ethic etc all into the equation.

    you have to have all of these.

    No deep ball - you will be undrafted
    no height - you will be undrafted

    etc etc etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    D3PO wrote: »
    true but you need to add in height, arm strength, vision, intelligence, work ethic etc all into the equation.

    you have to have all of these.

    No deep ball - you will be undrafted
    no height - you will be undrafted

    etc etc etc

    Thats true, but I still think being able to put the ball exactly where it needs to be is critical. Work ethic and "Hard work" are essentially the same think too.

    As for height -- Drew Brees is not tall, but he's about the most accurate passer you could imagine, and he's a Super Bowl winner. I definitely think he's a better player than a guy who's 6-5 and can't make certain throws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    davyjose wrote: »
    Thats true, but I still think being able to put the ball exactly where it needs to be is critical. Work ethic and "Hard work" are essentially the same think too.

    As for height -- Drew Brees is not tall, but he's about the most accurate passer you could imagine, and he's a Super Bowl winner. I definitely think he's a better player than a guy who's 6-5 and can't make certain throws.

    im not saying whats right or not im just saying how QB's are generally evaluated that doesnt make it right. NFL scouts dont have a monopoly on getting it spot on Kurt Warner undrafted Tom Brady 6th round and so on

    Fattie Russell, Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith first picks etc

    there are always exceptions to the rule but you cant say accurancy and hard work / work ethic for a QB = being a high draft pick it doesnt work like that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Ah, see I never stated these were needed to get drafted high - I said these are the most important attributes to have in the NFL, to succeed. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    The point I was making was that a lot of successful college QB's just don't have the arm to make it in the NFL. Some Heisman winners go undrafted, and some 1st picks fail miserably.

    The QB's who seem to make it, usually have accuracy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    D3PO wrote: »
    I totally disagree with this. Theres no 2 attributes that tick the box to be an NFL QB especially the 2 mentioned.

    If that was the case Graham Harrell would have been a top draft pick with a career completion % of over 70% guess what he went undrafted !

    Harrell should be in the NFL right now. I would love to see him get a chance to show what he can do. He comes from a Football Family his Dad a High School Coach in Ennis Texas and 4 time state champs. His bro is a QB at Abilene Chritian I think. Harrell was said to be a very smart QB who has it all. But for me what went against him was the fact Tech threw so much stats apparently blurred out his abilities as did the fact he had probably one of the best Receiving corps in college football.

    Im hoping the Packers hang on to him and let him learn under Rodgers and he gets some snaps in the 2011 pre-season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Harrell should be in the NFL right now. I would love to see him get a chance to show what he can do. He comes from a Football Family his Dad a High School Coach in Ennis Texas and 4 time state champs. His bro is a QB at Abilene Chritian I think. Harrell was said to be a very smart QB who has it all. But for me what went against him was the fact Tech threw so much stats apparently blurred out his abilities as did the fact he had probably one of the best Receiving corps in college football.

    Im hoping the Packers hang on to him and let him learn under Rodgers and he gets some snaps in the 2011 pre-season.

    totally agree I think he has the skills to be a very good QB in the NFL. The fact he didnt even make it in the CFL or at Oakland has to be worrying though for his prospects. That said he couldnt be at a better team than the Packers albeit their practice squad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    D3PO wrote: »
    totally agree I think he has the skills to be a very good QB in the NFL. The fact he didnt even make it in the CFL or at Oakland has to be worrying though for his prospects. That said he couldnt be at a better team than the Packers albeit their practice squad

    Oakland he never worked with. He worked out with the Browns and then up in Canada but he stated his main goal was to get into the NFL. He was signed as the 3rd QB at Saskatchewan Roughriders and was injured in his first year of a 2 year contract but he has been quoted as saying he will continue to try make the NFL, Id say the main reason he was released by the roughriders. To be honest with you I am glad he is hell bent on making the NFL. Id say the drive in him is why the Packers signed him. If he can get through this season and Camp next summer with the Pack I can see him replacing Flynn as the number 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Oakland he never worked with. He worked out with the Browns and then up in Canada but he stated his main goal was to get into the NFL. He was signed as the 3rd QB at Saskatchewan Roughriders and was injured in his first year of a 2 year contract but he has been quoted as saying he will continue to try make the NFL, Id say the main reason he was released by the roughriders. To be honest with you I am glad he is hell bent on making the NFL. Id say the drive in him is why the Packers signed him. If he can get through this season and Camp next summer with the Pack I can see him replacing Flynn as the number 2.

    He may not have officially signed with Oakland but he did go there to work out with the team and they decided against extending an offer ;)

    anyway no point in getting into the nitty gritty. I think he could and should be the pack #2 but next camp will tell us alot.

    The fact they dropped him and resigned him to the practice squad the following day shows they were suitably impressed with him so lets see what the crucial next 2 years have for him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I loved watching Harrell for the Red Raiders, he was just fantastic to watch. I'd love to see him make it, he has an exceptional arm. I remember he struggled badly with some of the position drills in the combine though and that cost him big time.


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