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Northern Irish at the Irish Embassy in London?

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  • #32
    KeithAFC
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Do you need me to buy you an atlas?
    :pac: Can't be serious.


  • #33
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Do you need me to buy you an atlas?

    Use it yourself first.

    The British (also known as Britons, informally Brits, or archaically Britishers) are citizens of the United Kingdom, of the Isle of Man, one of the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories, and their descendants. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_(people)

    The UK as far as I know includes NI, Wales, England and Scotland


  • #34
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Use it yourself first.

    The British (also known as Britons, informally Brits, or archaically Britishers) are citizens of the United Kingdom, of the Isle of Man, one of the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories, and their descendants. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_(people)

    The UK as far as I know includes NI, Wales, England and Scotland


    Britain: The Island of Great Britain is the Island made up of England, Wales and Scotland.

    Ireland is not joined to that Island.

    NI is part of the Island of Ireland, Not the island of Britain.

    NI is however part of the UK, Or to give it is proper title. The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.


  • #35
    geespot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭geespot


    the british would love to give the six counties of northern ireland back for many reasons 1. its an embarasment (dont forget they voted for ian paisley) they are backward and retarded 2. its a big unending money pit and 3. they have already promised the ira they would give it back if they would give up there armed struggle as unbeaten champions


  • #36
    Rebelheart
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

    hehe. Ah but in fairness, Keith, the piss was absolutely taken out of Thatcher for that hilarious claim. It was Hume who quipped: 'We hoped, at least for the sake of Finchley, that she was wrong.'

    As it happened it wasn't Finchley that she allowed a "foreign" state to have a say in the running of in the Anglo-Irish Agreement. So much for the reality behind that comparison.


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  • #37
    Rebelheart
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    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    therefore people resident in NI are BRITISH.

    By the very same logic, do you also believe that the people resident in Ireland between 1 January 1801 and 6 December 1922 were also "British"?


  • #38
    Mr.Micro
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    By the very same logic, do you also believe that the people resident in Ireland between 1 January 1801 and 6 December 1922 were also "British"?

    I do believe that there is possibly an argument for that. What difference does it make anyway, getting hung up on such things?


  • #39
    Koloman
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    Nolanger wrote: »
    Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

    It seems they want their cake and eat it too. Like the time Ian Paisley wanted Northern Ireland cows labelled "Irish" during the BSE crisis.


  • #40
    Rebelheart
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    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    I do believe that there is possibly an argument for that. What difference does it make anyway, getting hung up on such things?

    Because we weren't, and aren't. And it's not a matter of "getting hung up on such things" when one group of people is trying to misrepresent my identity as something other than Irish. I'm sure the British would not take too kindly to being represented as something other than British. The idea that we, the Irish, should accept that if the British invent a state covering Ireland and then claim the Irish to be "British" is preposterous, British nationalistic rubbish. And that's what you're contending when you claim the Irish still living under British rule in Ireland are consequently "British".


  • #41
    FTA69
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

    Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.


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  • #42
    Rebelheart
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.

    :). hehe.


  • #43
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    From my reading of the OP's question, the query is that these people were visiting what is to them a foreign embassy in order to meet Charlie.
    From the perspective of a "staunch" Unionist, going to the Irish embassy would be the same as going to the French embassy to meet him.
    I think it is a valid question, (One that I can't answer).


  • #44
    Iwasfrozen
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Because we weren't, and aren't. And it's not a matter of "getting hung up on such things" when one group of people is trying to misrepresent my identity as something other than Irish. I'm sure the British would not take too kindly to being represented as something other than British. The idea that we, the Irish, should accept that if the British invent a state covering Ireland and then claim the Irish to be "British" is preposterous, British nationalistic rubbish. And that's what you're contending when you claim the Irish still living under British rule in Ireland are consequently "British".
    People living in Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves British. Whether or not you like that is inconsequential.


  • #45
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    From my reading of the OP's question, the query is that these people were visiting what is to them a foreign embassy in order to meet Charlie.
    From the perspective of a "staunch" Unionist, going to the Irish embassy would be the same as going to the French embassy to meet him.
    I think it is a valid question, (One that I can't answer).

    Aye this is what I was thinking. So whilst Patrick Kielty being there isn't unusual, I thought it very odd Barons Bannside and Trimble were there. IT was kind of like they were representatives of the Republic of Ireland(which isn't the same as being Irish, Paisley's an Irish Unionist not a citizen of the ROI)

    However there is another explanation, which I suspect they would give. This was a visit to the Irish embassy in the capital of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To them the north is just another part of the UK. They were UK citizens at a function at the embassey of the ROI in the UK


  • #46
    Cú Giobach
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    They were UK citizens at a function at the embassey of the ROI in the UK

    A ha!! Now it becomes clear. ;)


  • #47
    KeithAFC
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.
    Whats that got to do with me being British?


  • #48
    Rebelheart
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    People living in Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves British. Whether or not you like that is inconsequential.

    People in the Six Counties also have a right to call themselves Chinese....I'm sure there's a point there somewhere.:rolleyes:


  • #49
    Rebelheart
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Whats that got to do with me being British?

    In fairness, Keith, you did supportively bring up her hilarious analogy with Finchley. When she visited Finchley did she "depart in a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower." In fact, did she do this in any place over in Britain? Odd, then, that she's doing it in a place she claimed was "as British as Finchley". There's something missing, like reality. Thatcher was always good at playing the Orange Card (up until that bit of treachery in 1985, of course).


  • #50
    KeithAFC
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    In fairness, Keith, you did supportively bring up her hilarious analogy with Finchley. When she visited Finchley did she "depart in a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower." In fact, did she do this in any place over in Britain? Odd, then, that she's doing it in a place she claimed was "as British as Finchley". There's something missing, like reality. Thatcher was always good at playing the Orange Card (up until that bit of treachery in 1985, of course).
    She was on about Northern Ireland, a country in the United Kingdom. That is FACT. So she is right in that sense.


  • #51
    maxxie
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    She was on about Northern Ireland, a country in the United Kingdom. That is FACT. So she is right in that sense.

    you are missing the point!


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  • #52
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    maxxie wrote: »
    you are missing the point!
    She never meant in the physical sense because the place was in tatters but what she said was true in many ways.


  • #53
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    She never meant in the physical sense because the place was in tatters but what she said was true in many ways.

    What ways?


  • #54
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    deise go deo wrote: »
    What ways?
    The majority in Northern Ireland are Unionists/British. With an ulster scots background.


  • #55
    donaghs
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    Nolanger wrote: »
    Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

    Didn't reply to your own post? No opinions on this yourself?

    I hope you're not just trying to work-up the usual suspects into a frenzy? ;)

    about well covered topics (northern ireland, "what does it mean to be irish", "what do you think of the royal family", etc)


  • #56
    sensibleken
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    deise go deo wrote: »
    Is Google aistriúchán do cara.;) Cuidíonn sé leis an litriú, cé uaireanta na haistriúcháin a thagann amach beagán mícheart agus gur gá iad a bheith chuir timpeall thart leis. Cuidíonn sé dom an cúpla focal a fhoghlaim freisin.

    Is Focal.ie freisin an-chabhrach


    Google translate is your freind;) It helps with the spelling, though sometimes the translations come out abit wrong and need to be fiddled around with. It helps me learn the vocab too.

    Focal.ie is also very helpful.

    Is breá loim focal.ie. Tá abair.ie go han mhaith freisin.

    Thuigim tá sé mar pointe. Is saoránach le UK Paisley agus an cruinniú seo idir Prince charles agus na saoránach na h'Eireann.

    Ach, tá sasta agam go bhuill Paisley sasta a bheidh isteach le ambasáid na h'Eireann.

    (gabh mo leithsceil ar mo gaelge ufasach)


  • #57
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    sensibleken wrote: »
    Is breá loim focal.ie. Tá abair.ie go han mhaith freisin.

    Thuigim tá sé mar pointe. Is saoránach le UK Paisley agus an cruinniú seo idir Prince charles agus na saoránach na h'Eireann.

    Ach, tá sasta agam go bhuill Paisley sasta a bheidh isteach le ambasáid na h'Eireann.

    (gabh mo leithsceil ar mo gaelge ufasach)

    Understood most of that surprisingly but what does ''Is saoránach le UK Paisley agus an cruinniú seo idir Prince charles agus na saoránach na h'Eireann'' mean?

    Put it into google translate but its giving me something ridiculous.


  • #58
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    In fairness, Keith, you did supportively bring up her hilarious analogy with Finchley. When she visited Finchley did she "depart in a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower." In fact, did she do this in any place over in Britain? Odd, then, that she's doing it in a place she claimed was "as British as Finchley". There's something missing, like reality. Thatcher was always good at playing the Orange Card (up until that bit of treachery in 1985, of course).

    What was she thinking saying it in south Armagh? I mean it might have been more convincing from the waterfront in Portstewart!


  • #59
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    It is also bizarre unionists were so opposed to the anglo-Irish agreement. All it gave the republic was an consultative role. No actual powers.

    So Paisley reacts by saying this

    ''Where do the terrorists operate from? From the Irish Republic! Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary? To the Irish Republic! And yet Mrs. Thatcher tells us that that Republic must have some say in our Province. We say never, never, never, never!''

    The treaty was supposed to help improve border security and prevent the IRA getting sanctuary you f*cking buffoon!


  • #60
    KeithAFC
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    It is also bizarre unionists were so opposed to the anglo-Irish agreement. All it gave the republic was an consultative role. No actual powers.

    So Paisley reacts by saying this

    ''Where do the terrorists operate from? From the Irish Republic! Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary? To the Irish Republic! And yet Mrs. Thatcher tells us that that Republic must have some say in our Province. We say never, never, never, never!''

    The treaty was supposed to help improve border security and prevent the IRA getting sanctuary you f*cking buffoon!
    Was different times back then. Paranoia x100.


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  • #61
    Mr.Micro
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Because we weren't, and aren't. And it's not a matter of "getting hung up on such things" when one group of people is trying to misrepresent my identity as something other than Irish. I'm sure the British would not take too kindly to being represented as something other than British. The idea that we, the Irish, should accept that if the British invent a state covering Ireland and then claim the Irish to be "British" is preposterous, British nationalistic rubbish. And that's what you're contending when you claim the Irish still living under British rule in Ireland are consequently "British".

    to be pedantic, and according to this source.....

    As part of the United Kingdom, people from Northern Ireland are British citizens. They are also entitled to Irish citizenship by birth which is covered in the 1998 Belfast Agreement between the British and Irish governments, which, provides that: it is the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly [the two governments] confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

    So in my view then one living in NI one can be both, so KEITH AFC is British,



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland


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