Northern Irish at the Irish Embassy in London?

getz · 12-11-2010 04:02PM

geespot wrote: »

the british would love to give the six counties of northern ireland back for many reasons 1. its an embarasment (dont forget they voted for ian paisley) they are backward and retarded 2. its a big unending money pit and 3. they have already promised the ira they would give it back if they would give up there armed struggle as unbeaten champions

so northern ireland is propped up by british tax payers money,and the republic is also propped up by EU tax payers money,sounds to me that the kettle is calling the pot black,do not think you know what the rest of the UK thinks,put your own house in order first,

KeithAFC · 12-11-2010 04:04PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

to be pedantic, and according to this source.....

As part of the United Kingdom, people from Northern Ireland are British citizens. They are also entitled to Irish citizenship by birth which is covered in the 1998 Belfast Agreement between the British and Irish governments, which, provides that: it is the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly [the two governments] confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

So in my view then one living in NI one can be both, so KEITH AFC is British,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

Most people know this. Over a thousand people or more died because they wanted that right to remain. I thought everyone knew this.

sensibleken · 12-11-2010 04:09PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Understood most of that surprisingly but what does ''Is saoránach le UK Paisley agus an cruinniú seo idir Prince charles agus na saoránach na h'Eireann'' mean?

Put it into google translate but its giving me something ridiculous.

jaysus. maybe i got it incredibly wrong. I meant to say Paisley is a UK citizen and this meeting was between the prince and citizens of Ireland (although i should have clarified republic of ireland.

I have no problem with paisley there. its a huge sign of progress and something i wouldn't have expected to see even 15 years ago.

that being said i did think it was unusual

Mr.Micro · 12-11-2010 04:11PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Most people know this. Over a thousand people or more died because they wanted that right to remain. I thought everyone knew this.

With respect Keith many who posted on here do not appear to know it or ignore the fact. So for clarity's sake its worth mentioning.

Jaap · 12-11-2010 04:12PM

geespot wrote: »

the british would love to give the six counties of northern ireland back for many reasons 1. its an embarasment (dont forget they voted for ian paisley) they are backward and retarded 2. its a big unending money pit and 3. they have already promised the ira they would give it back if they would give up there armed struggle as unbeaten champions

I'm very proud of Northern Ireland...but it is an embarrassment that the majority of catholics / nationalists vote for Sinn Fein....a party with nothing to bring to the table except division...and with that a history of supporting killing, bombing, terrorising protestants and catholics in Ireland and the UK! Many of their high ranking members actually did a bit more than supporting!

Good to see everyone mixing in the Irish Embassy...Irish and British! Pity Sinn Fein weren't there...oh I forgot Royalty was present!

deise go deo · 12-11-2010 04:55PM

sensibleken wrote: »

Is breá loim focal.ie. Tá abair.ie go han mhaith freisin.

Thuigim tá sé mar pointe. Is saoránach le UK Paisley agus an cruinniú seo idir Prince charles agus na saoránach na h'Eireann.

Ach, tá sasta agam go bhuill Paisley sasta a bheidh isteach le ambasáid na h'Eireann.

(gabh mo leithsceil ar mo gaelge ufasach)

Tá mo Gaeilge nios measa,;) Tá do Geailge ceart, ach tá Google Aisteach ó ám go h-ám.
Sin ní gá duit a fháil i dtrioblóid, caithfidh tú a chur ar fáil aistriúchán nuair a scríobh i nGaeilge.:(
My Irish is Worse.;) Your sentance was correct, Google can just be weird sometimes.
Just so you dont get in trouble, You have to provide a translation when posting in Irish.

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-11-2010 04:57PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

to be pedantic, and according to this source.....

As part of the United Kingdom, people from Northern Ireland are British citizens. They are also entitled to Irish citizenship by birth which is covered in the 1998 Belfast Agreement between the British and Irish governments, which, provides that: it is the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly [the two governments] confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

So in my view then one living in NI one can be both, so KEITH AFC is British,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

But to be pedantic, there is no such thing as a British Citizen. There are Subjects of the United Kingdom alright.

sensibleken · 12-11-2010 05:08PM

deise go deo wrote: »

Tá mo Gaeilge nios measa,;) Tá do Geailge ceart, ach tá Google Aisteach ó ám go h-ám.
Sin ní gá duit a fháil i dtrioblóid, caithfidh tú a chur ar fáil aistriúchán nuair a scríobh i nGaeilge.:(
My Irish is Worse.;) Your sentance was correct, Google can just be weird sometimes.
Just so you dont get in trouble, You have to provide a translation when posting in Irish.

Seasach! :mad:

**** :mad:

Mr.Micro · 12-11-2010 05:08PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But to be pedantic, there is no such thing as a British Citizen. There are Subjects of the United Kingdom alright.

Is that your opinion or do you have a specific reference that you can quote? Then I suppose NI residents are British subjects ( or Irish as they see fit or both), just leave out the citizen bit, pedantic or what.

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-11-2010 05:20PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Is that your opinion or do you have a specific reference that you can quote? Then I suppose NI residents are British subjects ( or Irish as they see fit or both), just leave out the citizen bit, pedantic or what.

Legally there is no such entity as Britain, and there are no citizens or subjects therof. It is an island.

There is a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which has subjects.

People in Ireland can identify themselves as British if they want, their call, but they are geographically and politically innacurate.

Or put another way, find me a picture of a British passport....

getz · 12-11-2010 05:23PM

yes i am a british citizen,

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-11-2010 05:25PM

getz wrote: »

yes i am a british citizen,

Says that on your passport, does it?

getz · 12-11-2010 05:54PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Says that on your passport, does it?

being a british citizen has nothing to do with my passport,my passport says a british subject,that means a subject to the crown,all you nead to do is google ,british citizen/ in fact my old merchant navy ID card says i am a british citizen,

dlofnep · 12-11-2010 06:00PM

If someone wants to be British, then que cera cera. It's no skin off anyone's back. The north has a special position where the people decide on an individual basis who they consider themselves to be. Seánie O'Hara might consider himself Irish, but Johnny Smith might consider himself British. It's really irrelevant in the broad scheme of things.

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-11-2010 06:04PM

getz wrote: »

being a british citizen has nothing to do with my passport,my passport says a british subject,that means a subject to the crown,all you nead to do is google ,british citizen/ in fact my old merchant navy ID card says i am a british citizen,

There are a lot of contradictions in that post. Citizen? Subject? And it having nothing to do with your passport.

Look, I have no interest in lecturing you on your identity, but if we are to be pedantic, you are incorrect. Its like people who say the Irish flag is green, white and gold. They are wrong, but so what?

danbohan · 12-11-2010 06:12PM

Jaap wrote: »

I'm very proud of Northern Ireland...but it is an embarrassment that the majority of catholics / nationalists vote for Sinn Fein....a party with nothing to bring to the table except division...and with that a history of supporting killing, bombing, terrorising protestants and catholics in Ireland and the UK! Many of their high ranking members actually did a bit more than supporting!
Good to see everyone mixing in the Irish Embassy...Irish and British! Pity Sinn Fein weren't there...oh I forgot Royalty was present!

what really is an embarressment is that people like you, ignore /forget/deny the reason that the majority vote sinn fein or why the prov IRA came into existance in the first place

Nolanger · 12-11-2010 07:22PM

donaghs wrote: »

Didn't reply to your own post? No opinions on this yourself?

Well here goes!

All I was asking was:
Charles and Camilla get invited to the Irish Embassy in London to meet several high profile Irish people.

That embassy is part of the Irish government in Dublin for people in the Republic and also for those in Northern Ireland who consider themselves to be Irish.

So why were Paisley and Robinson there?:

As special guests of the Irish embassy in London?
They consider themselves to be Irish and British?
They have recently switched to Irish passports?
To aid the visit of Charles' mother to Ireland soon?
None of the above?

KeithAFC · 12-11-2010 08:12PM

danbohan wrote: »

what really is an embarressment is that people like you, ignore /forget/deny the reason that the majority vote sinn fein or why the prov IRA came into existance in the first place

To get the Brits out and to remove the Northern state. They done that well. :pac:

Wolfe Tone · 12-11-2010 08:19PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

To get the Brits out and to remove the Northern state. They done that well. :pac:

Your ignorance, which I can only assume is purposeful in order to get a rise out of people, is really quite tiring.

KeithAFC · 12-11-2010 08:21PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Your ignorance, which I can only assume is purposeful in order to get a rise out of people, is really quite tiring.

In jest of course but it is true. We now have a society of better equality and yet we still have nutters trying to bring down the state which was one of the major goals of the PIRA.

maxxie · 12-11-2010 08:59PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

To get the Brits out and to remove the Northern state. They done that well. :pac:

Not entirely keith, they also came into existence to protect nationalists from colluding ruc, army and loyalist paramilitaries intimidation and attacks.

geespot · 12-11-2010 09:03PM

the main aim of the ira in the 20th century was to have ireland united under irish rule they had few members and not a lot of hope of acheiving then the ulster scots (people who murdered the natives and left them to starve while stealing there lands) gave them the upper hand by attacking them in a further bid at cleansing the land of the catholic irish scum . with help from there friends in the so called security forces they embarked on a wee bit of genocide. this shocked the world funding came flying in for ira guns came flying in and the ira became the best and most feared army in the world so much so that the britsh while talking tough on the telly where going on there hands and knees to gerry adams begging them to stop. people in ni can call themselves british but they have 10 to 20 years to get used to being irish or of course they can fcuk back to scotland if they like

KeithAFC · 12-11-2010 09:22PM

geespot wrote: »

the main aim of the ira in the 20th century was to have ireland united under irish rule they had few members and not a lot of hope of acheiving then the ulster scots (people who murdered the natives and left them to starve while stealing there lands) gave them the upper hand by attacking them in a further bid at cleansing the land of the catholic irish scum . with help from there friends in the so called security forces they embarked on a wee bit of genocide. this shocked the world funding came flying in for ira guns came flying in and the ira became the best and most feared army in the world so much so that the britsh while talking tough on the telly where going on there hands and knees to gerry adams begging them to stop. people in ni can call themselves british but they have 10 to 20 years to get used to being irish or of course they can fcuk back to scotland if they like

Don't see that happening.

charlemont · 12-11-2010 09:43PM

Great reading this thread !!! in fairness though, big swinging mickey its only a poxy meeting at an embassy and it ends up with everyone arguing

.. Chill out, theres nothing we can do about history, its done and dusted..

junder · 12-11-2010 09:51PM

geespot wrote: »

the main aim of the ira in the 20th century was to have ireland united under irish rule they had few members and not a lot of hope of acheiving then the ulster scots (people who murdered the natives and left them to starve while stealing there lands) gave them the upper hand by attacking them in a further bid at cleansing the land of the catholic irish scum . with help from there friends in the so called security forces they embarked on a wee bit of genocide. this shocked the world funding came flying in for ira guns came flying in and the ira became the best and most feared army in the world so much so that the britsh while talking tough on the telly where going on there hands and knees to gerry adams begging them to stop. people in ni can call themselves british but they have 10 to 20 years to get used to being irish or of course they can fcuk back to scotland if they like

Most feared army? According to the international law of armed conflict the ira in it's various guises is not even an army or even legitimate. Of course your right they did beat the British army, who surrendered, disarmed and now there is a united Ireland, oh wait.
I will never going to call myself Irish or accept being Irish and neither am I fcuking of to Scotland since I am not Scottish. Of course sinn fein dud put forward the idea of resettlement grants for us prods to move to the main land back in the 80's but even they dropped that idea since what they were promoting in their manifesto of the time was ethnic cleansing.

charlemont · 12-11-2010 09:56PM

Sure ye were fierce brave, getting the English to fight ye're battles and build peace walls...

Iwasfrozen · 12-11-2010 11:53PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

People in the Six Counties also have a right to call themselves Chinese....I'm sure there's a point there somewhere.:rolleyes:

Are you really that stupid or are you just trying to be obtuse? People born in Northern Ireland have a right to be British. I don't know why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder but you'd better get over it fast. No-one likes a bigot.

Iwasfrozen · 12-11-2010 11:57PM

charlemont wrote: »

Sure ye were fierce brave, getting the English to fight ye're battles and build peace walls...

There wasn't any battles. Just a few working class people causing trouble.

charlemont · 13-11-2010 12:16AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tamf5CI1yVY&playnext=1&list=PLFC8C6AA21EFC0F94&index=97

check out David Ervine's take on it...

gurramok · 13-11-2010 01:53AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Are you really that stupid or are you just trying to be obtuse? People born in Northern Ireland have a right to be British. I don't know why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder but you'd better get over it fast. No-one likes a bigot.

Perhaps you should read Junders post 2 posts above yours. Why label the Unionists Irish when they don't want to?

And it ain't bigotry, if you venture up north you'd know a sizeable chunk of the Unionist community do not identify with being Irish despite them having heritage here!

Northern Irish at the Irish Embassy in London?

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