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English Students flocking over next year?

  • 09-12-2010 11:47PM
    #1
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭


    I was thinking the whole student fee fiasco happening in the UK at the moment could work to our advantage.
    Does this mean that it's now cheaper for UK students to come over to Ireland for university?
    It will be good for the economy if this is the case.


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  • #2
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Sea Sharp wrote: »
    I was thinking the whole student fee fiasco happening in the UK at the moment could work to our advantage.
    Does this mean that it's now cheaper for UK students to come over to Ireland for university?
    It will be good for the economy if this is the case.

    The evilness of that comment :D
    But i doubt it seen as they have to pay room,however people could rent rooms to them:P Not a bad idea :pac:


  • #3
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    I very much doubt it. It's been the case since I was in school (10 years ago) that if you couldn't get the points to get into one of the universities here that you went to one in the UK.


  • #4
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    I very much doubt it. It's been the case since I was in school (10 years ago) that if you couldn't get the points to get into one of the universities here that you went to one in the UK.

    Depends on the course and college TBH. Pharmacy was relatively easy to get in the UK because they pay pharmacists a pittance over there compared to what ours get.

    I cannot see them 'flocking' to some drab little town with an RTC but I can certainly see our Northern cousins flocking to Trinity as they once did...especially seeing as the fees in Trinners will be 'up to' €8k less per annum on certain courses and very frequently up to €4k cheaper. I understand we treat them as 'home' students.

    Our non home students....defined as someone who did not do the last 3 years of their secondary schooling on this island even if they were born here have to pay fees just like the UK fees in our Irish colleges already.

    Part of the demand projection depends on whether...their having done a primary degree here ...will they then be treated as "home" students on a postgrad in the UK.


  • #5
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Our non home students....defined as someone who did not do the last 3 years of their secondary schooling on this island even if they were born here have to pay fees just like the UK fees in our Irish colleges already.

    I see.
    I was under the impression that non-EU students have to pay full fees while EU students have to pay less than this.


  • #6
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    I can imagine that some English students will condider this. Accomodation in Dublin is cheaper than before and the fee is quite different now. The only issue might be the availability of student finance schemes in England but not here.
    but I can certainly see our Northern cousins flocking to Trinity as they once did...especially seeing as the fees in Trinners will be 'up to' €8k less per annum

    it is unclear what the fees in NI will be, today's decision is for England.
    Our non home students....defined as someone who did not do the last 3 years of their secondary schooling on this island even if they were born here have to pay fees just like the UK fees in our Irish colleges already.

    I don't think so. All persons resident in the EU are treated alike.


    from the TCD website

    1. Free Fees

    Tuition fees are (currently) paid by the Irish Exchequer. The student pays a Student Services fee (€1500 in 2010-11) plus a Sports Centre Levy (€77 for 2010), and a USI levy (€8 for 2010).
    If a student is awarded a Local Authority grant the Student Services Fee (€1500) will be paid by Local Authority. The Sports Centre and USI Levy must be paid by ALL students.

    In order to qualify you must

    * be an EU national1
    or
    * have official refugee status2

    AND

    * be ordinarily resident in the EU* (this includes the recent accession states) for at least three of the five year preceding admission3
    * be undertaking a full-time undergraduate course of at least 2 years duration
    * be a first time undergraduate4
    * not hold a postgraduate qualification

    Notes:

    1. Students must hold EU nationality at commencement of studies as fee-paying status cannot subsequently be changed. In addition, EEA/Swiss Nationals, who have residency in an EEA country or Switzerland for the requisite period, will be regarded as having met the residency requirements of the Free Fees initiative. Similarly EU nationals resident in EEA/Swiss states for the requisite period will also be regarded as having met the residency requirement of the Free Fees Initiative.
    2. Students who have written confirmation that they have been allowed to come to Ireland as part of the Family Re-Unification scheme may also be eligible.
    3. Children of Irish diplomats, or of employees of EI, IDA, APSO/DCI who are located outside the EU are considered to have EU residence.


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  • #7
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Additionally UK students do not have to pay the student charge (at least they didn't and don't see how the situation has changed), I think the reason for this (could be very wrong) is that they are not termed as a fee and there isn't a way for students from the UK system to be assessed to see if that they can pay it and therefore due to EU system its not applicable.

    Ps think its Scotland that will be (even more) flooded with English students.
    It'l come in up north the SDLP and UUP voted for fees before unlike Scotland
    though they seem to be opposing this increase but I think they have had similar stuff on their policy papers for a long time

    http://www.sdlp.ie/index.php/newsroom_media/newsarticle/sdlp_oppose_proposals_for_increased_tuition_fees/


  • #8
    luketitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭luketitz


    Interesting topic, I'd say it won't be long i.e. next budget before we see another hike in fees to beat the band though, so probably won't be much value in them coming over this time next year


  • #9
    mistermouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭mistermouse


    huge amounts of our students went to NI, Scotland and UK. We would need to return the favour at best

    The UK has been quite good to us in many ways but I'd be more annoyed at paying social welfare to scammers in poland etc and our open system of EU integration

    we've been good europeans, too good now paying for EU banks

    UK students are the least of our worries, we owe the UK a bit for how they took ours


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