Judge Mary Fahy

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:03am #1

it would appear that the judge Judy of Galway gets a mention in Feckers for refusing to uphold the law regarding serving alcohol on Good Friday.

Book Feckers

02-01-2011 11:09am

The Good Friday ban on pubs opening is ridiculous anyway tbh.

If people don't want to drink on Good Friday that's fine, they don't have to.

People who have little or no interest in religion shouldn't have to follow the same rules.

PauricTheLodger · 02-01-2011 11:13am

More power to her elbow as I believe the phrase goes...

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:23am

rarnes1 wrote: »

The Good Friday ban on pubs opening is ridiculous anyway tbh.

If people don't want to drink on Good Friday that's fine, they don't have to.

People who have little or no interest in religion shouldn't have to follow the same rules.

the good friday ban is obscene. imagine having to go a day without alcohol!

that may be so, but the woman has a job to do and her personal opinion is of no relevance.
she undermined the guards, who unlike her were doing their job.

its like you going into a chipper and the guy there telling you he won't serve you because he thinks chips are unhealthy.

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:24am

PauricTheLodger wrote: »

More power to her elbow as I believe the phrase goes...

?????/

emptybladder · 02-01-2011 11:26am

Fuinseog wrote: »

it would appear that the judge Judy of Galway gets a mention in Feckers for refusing to uphold the law regarding serving alcohol on Good Friday.

This is news how?

Is it 2008 again?

02-01-2011 11:27am

Fuinseog wrote: »

?????/

More power to your elbow! also More power to you! something that you say to praise someone and to say that you hope they continue to have success

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/More+power+to+your+elbow!

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:28am

rarnes1 wrote: »

More power to your elbow! also More power to you! something that you say to praise someone and to say that you hope they continue to have success

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/More+power+to+your+elbow!

by the hokey, its a new one for me

pleasant Co. · 02-01-2011 11:29am

Fuinseog wrote: »

its like you going into a chipper and the guy there telling you he won't serve you because he thinks chips are unhealthy.

? gonna have to explain that one, I don't quite get the analogy

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:30am

emptybladder wrote: »

This is news how?

Is it 2008 again?

i was just announcing the fact that she made it into the top fifty people who fecked up this country, the list having just being published by John Waters esquire in his latest offering Feckers

02-01-2011 11:30am

Fuinseog wrote: »

the good friday ban is obscene. imagine having to go a day without alcohol!

It's nothing to do with that.

It's the Catholic Church making rules for the whole population. They shouldn't have any power. Those days are long gone.

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:34am

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with that.

It's the Catholic Church making rules for the whole population. They shouldn't have any power. Those days are long gone.

we live in a catholic country(at least in name) so it comes as no surprise that there is trace of catholic influence. in muslim countries alcohol is forbidden 365 and if you are not a muslim tough titty.

it would appear to be a challenge to go out in pubcentric Galway and not drink booze. javas is one of the few cafes open after 6 and that barely holds twenty people.

PauricTheLodger · 02-01-2011 11:37am

Fuinseog wrote: »

i was just announcing the fact that she made it into the top fifty people who fecked up this country, the list having just being published by John Waters esquire in his latest offering Feckers

According to the only Amazon review for the book he also blames bloggers for some reason... would love to know the justification for that too...

Cheers rarnes1 for providing the elbow link

Fuinseog · 02-01-2011 11:37am

Mactard wrote: »

? gonna have to explain that one, I don't quite get the analogy

in the chippers the guys job is to serve you chips and not his opinion. her job is to serve justice, according to the laws of the land. her saying that the law is foolish is of no relevance. she has a job to do and in this regard failed to do it.

02-01-2011 11:40am

Fuinseog wrote: »

we live in a catholic country(at least in name) so it comes as no surprise that there is trace of catholic influence. in muslim countries alcohol is forbidden 365 and if you are not a muslim tough titty.

it would appear to be a challenge to go out in pubcentric Galway and not drink booze. javas is one of the few cafes open after 6 and that barely holds twenty people.

I don't think you are getting my point. If Catholics don't want to drink alcohol they can abstain from it if they want. Why should everyone else have to conform to this?

Also you can go to a pub and not drink booze if you wish?

PauricTheLodger · 02-01-2011 11:49am

Fuinseog wrote: »

in the chippers the guys job is to serve you chips and not his opinion. her job is to serve justice, according to the laws of the land. her saying that the law is foolish is of no relevance. she has a job to do and in this regard failed to do it.

So I used 'the google' anyway and came up with this link:
http://www.galwayindependent.com/local-news/local-news/city-restaurant-convicted-for-selling-liquor-on-good-friday/

It seems she did in fact follow the law and convicted the nine restaurants. She simply gave her opinion on how the ban was ludicrous.

What exactly does the author say about Judge Fahy in the book?

Aside http://www.independent.ie/national-news/exemptions-from-good-friday-alcoholsale-ban-2092393.html seems hotels can provide alcohol among others provided there is a meal, which is usually the reason one goes to a restaurant too.

02-01-2011 7:20pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with that.

It's the Catholic Church making rules for the whole population. They shouldn't have any power. Those days are long gone.

The catholic church has nothing to do with the ban on pubs opening Christmas day and good Friday. It's a union agreement from many many years ago.

Das Kitty · 02-01-2011 7:41pm

I quite like Judge Fahy.

Not to keen on John Waters (the Irish one, I love the other one) though.

Head The Wall · 02-01-2011 7:49pm

Mathew Jealous Grime wrote: »

The catholic church has nothing to do with the ban on pubs opening Christmas day and good Friday. It's a union agreement from many many years ago.

Have you proof of that. I have never come across any licensed premises that had union members, if there were any they would likely be a tiny minority.

02-01-2011 7:59pm

Mathew Jealous Grime wrote: »

The catholic church has nothing to do with the ban on pubs opening Christmas day and good Friday. It's a union agreement from many many years ago.

They had major influence.It's not too gard to see that.

It's in the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1927. The same act forbade the sale of alcohol on Sunday's between 2pm and 5pm and also on St Patricks day.

The latter two no longer apply of course.

PauricTheLodger · 02-01-2011 8:03pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

They had major influence.It's not too gard to see that.

It's in the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1927. The same act forbade the sale of alcohol on Sunday's between 2pm and 5pm and also on St Patricks day.

The latter two no longer apply of course.

And Christmas Day as well wasn't it?

02-01-2011 8:07pm

Head The Wall wrote: »

Have you proof of that. I have never come across any licensed premises that had union members, if there were any they would likely be a tiny minority.

As mentioned above its set out in the 1927 intoxicating liquor act.

PauricTheLodger · 02-01-2011 8:10pm

Mathew Jealous Grime wrote: »

As mentioned above its set out in the 1927 intoxicating liquor act.

And now linked

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1927/en/act/pub/0015/index.html

Part II (18) amused me... I have a bland sense of humour

02-01-2011 8:20pm

PauricTheLodger wrote: »

And Christmas Day as well wasn't it?

yep, left out the most obvious one

drum! · 03-01-2011 12:06am

From reading court stories in the Advertiser over the years, i have to say she is a vile, vicious, unreasonable creature.I hope i never have to go up in front of her for anything.

Mrs OBumble · 03-01-2011 12:21am

Mathew Jealous Grime wrote: »

The catholic church has nothing to do with the ban on pubs opening Christmas day and good Friday. It's a union agreement from many many years ago.

I'd suspect it's a nice case of the unions, church and "concerned citizens" interests co-inciding.

fyi, see the Sales thread, where people are very loudly against shops opening on Stephen's Day. In the same vein as that, shouldn't hospitality staff have the right to joint days off?

(Those who have followed the other thread will know that I personally don't buy the argument. But I think it's fascinating that people are so opposed to shopping on Stephen's day "for the sake of the staff", but don't have a problem with pubs being open that day).

skelliser · 03-01-2011 12:23am

John Waters! :rolleyes:

a tosser of the highest order!

rivalius13 · 03-01-2011 12:24am

Fuinseog wrote: »

we live in a catholic country(at least in name) so it comes as no surprise that there is trace of catholic influence. in muslim countries alcohol is forbidden 365 and if you are not a muslim tough titty.

it would appear to be a challenge to go out in pubcentric Galway and not drink booze. javas is one of the few cafes open after 6 and that barely holds twenty people.

When you compare the country to muslim countries you're on the losing side of an argument.

the incredible pudding · 03-01-2011 12:40am

drum! wrote: »

From reading court stories in the Advertiser over the years, i have to say she is a vile, vicious, unreasonable creature.I hope i never have to go up in front of her for anything.

Indeed, she's more likely to give a heavy fine to a poor person stealing a loaf of bread than someone charged with assault or driving while intoxicated.

mrsdewinter · 03-01-2011 1:16am

On the sale of alcohol on Good Friday and Christmas Day, I'm a bit 'meh'. Who really cares? What would we do if we didn't have the guilty pleasure of tracking down a crafty drink on Good Friday?

But Mary Fahy is a legend. Firm but fair, I think the saying goes...

drum! · 03-01-2011 1:18am

Fair me howl! She's incredibly inconsistent, her punishments often don't fit the crime and she's an absolute battleaxe. I can't believe some of the horrible things she says to people when dishing out a sentence for meagre, non-violent crimes.

ArtSmart · 03-01-2011 1:21am

Fuinseog wrote: »

i was just announcing the fact that she made it into the top fifty people who fecked up this country, the list having just being published by John Waters esquire in his latest offering Feckers

i'd like to see the article. no way i believe that psycho cow would do anything against the holy laws of the land.

ArtSmart · 03-01-2011 1:23am

PauricTheLodger wrote: »

So I used 'the google' anyway and came up with this link:
http://www.galwayindependent.com/local-news/local-news/city-restaurant-convicted-for-selling-liquor-on-good-friday/

It seems she did in fact follow the law and convicted the nine restaurants. She simply gave her opinion on how the ban was ludicrous.

What exactly does the author say about Judge Fahy in the book?

Aside http://www.independent.ie/national-news/exemptions-from-good-friday-alcoholsale-ban-2092393.html seems hotels can provide alcohol among others provided there is a meal, which is usually the reason one goes to a restaurant too.

oops, didnt see this. yeah, that makes more sense.

ArtSmart · 03-01-2011 1:26am

drum! wrote: »

Fair me howl! She's incredibly inconsistent, her punishments often don't fit the crime and she's an absolute battleaxe. I can't believe some of the horrible things she says to people when dishing out a sentence for meagre, non-violent crimes.

I stopped reading the madness from her, when she convicted and fined a phd student for stealing razors and shaving cream after suggesting he was avoiding work by studying for too long -

why razors and shaving cream esp you may ask - bec to me, that's just a step above food items. if it was CD's or Ipods or anything like that fair nuff - but something to keep himself looking human??? - fcuk her, the bitch.

PauricTheLodger · 03-01-2011 7:24am

drum! wrote: »

Fair me howl! She's incredibly inconsistent, her punishments often don't fit the crime and she's an absolute battleaxe. I can't believe some of the horrible things she says to people when dishing out a sentence for meagre, non-violent crimes.

Could some of ye link up an example or two of her alleged unfairness?

I've been reading through the archives of the Galway Independent and the Advertiser this morning and she doesn't come across as the harpy some of the people here are saying she is.

The Advertiser search isn't that great but it works and here http://www.galwayindependent.com/option,com_ijoomla_archive/act,getall/task,archive/ptitle,Ann%20Healy/author,462/ is a link to at least some court articles from the Indepenent. Of the latter, I recommend at least reading the one about the sentencing of the granddad

Also, OP, any hints as to what Waters says in his book?

kayos · 03-01-2011 9:25am

Fuinseog wrote: »

we live in a catholic country(at least in name) so it comes as no surprise that there is trace of catholic influence. in muslim countries alcohol is forbidden 365 and if you are not a muslim tough titty.

Not true, was in two different muslim countries this year and bought and consumed alchol in both. Heck even the supermarket had a section for non muslims to be able to buy pork products.

biko · 03-01-2011 12:45pm

Art Smart banned. You may not like some decisions this judge have taken, it will not excuse your bad language and personal attacks.

As said above "Could some of ye link up an example or two of her alleged unfairness?" From now on if anyone has anything bad to say, please have a link as proof.

cheesemaker · 03-01-2011 8:25pm

She is always a great one for saying "that kind of drinking would not be acceptable in other European cities".

But she never really mentions nightclubs closing at 2:30 would not be acceptable in other European cities either.

Fuinseog · 03-01-2011 10:52pm

cheesemaker wrote: »

She is always a great one for saying "that kind of drinking would not be acceptable in other European cities".

But she never really mentions nightclubs closing at 2:30 would not be acceptable in other European cities either.

her predecessor was also critical of clubs.
john garvan tried to introduce the curry and rice but clubs were against it as they might have had to give something back to the customers. they gave meal tickets but there was never any trace or smell of food within.

Das Kitty · 03-01-2011 11:01pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

her predecessor was also critical of clubs.
john garvan tried to introduce the curry and rice but clubs were against it as they might have had to give something back to the customers. they gave meal tickets but there was never any trace or smell of food within.

What are you talking about? There was always food. Mind you some of it would take a brave person to try but it was always there.

The clubs were against it because it was a stupid idea.

Anyway, what does this have to do with judge Fahy being in John Waters' book?

Fuinseog · 03-01-2011 11:05pm

Das Kitty wrote: »

What are you talking about? There was always food. Mind you some of it would take a brave person to try but it was always there.

not in the Gpo there wasnt. you obviously went to finer establishments.

Das Kitty · 03-01-2011 11:08pm

No, I went to the GPO, up the stairs to the right.

Robbo · 04-01-2011 9:31am

Fuinseog wrote: »

not in the Gpo there wasnt. you obviously went to finer establishments.

I remember seeing plates of "matter" being served in the GPO. I also remember being advised to stay well clear of it.

If you're still of the opinion that the judiciary should not give any personal opinions on matters before them, I suggest you do yourself a favour and don't ever read any of Dennings judgments...

McTigs · 04-01-2011 11:12am

skelliser wrote: »

John Waters! :rolleyes:

a tosser of the highest order!

he really is!

Also, is he a recovering alco or somesuch cos this isn't the first time i've come accross him being all upset about people having a drink... he had a scathing review of electric picnic in the times this year, lamenting all the young people who could only enjoy themselves by indulging in excessive alcohol comsumption... "crazed" i think was the word he used.

twat

biko · 04-01-2011 11:50am

Bans for insulting a public figure.
Hopefully this will show you can't go throwing mud at people from behind your keyboards

rivalius13 · 04-01-2011 11:56am

biko wrote: »

Bans for insulting a public figure.
Hopefully this will show you can't go throwing mud at people from behind your keyboards

That wouldn't work at all, sure it'd get all over your screens and be a terror to clean off.

biko · 04-01-2011 12:08pm

rivalius13, don't post again.
Everyone else, back on topic.

TobyZiegler · 04-01-2011 12:35pm

Ok so let me get this straight -

Judge Mary Fahy convicts restaurant owners of serving alcohol on Good Friday but says that she thinks its a ridiculous law.

No matter what you think of her HOW can that make it into a book about the top 50 people who fecked up the country?!

The only reason is because John Waters is a religious nut trying to force his opinions on others.

biko · 04-01-2011 5:12pm

TobyZiegler wrote: »

The only reason is because John Waters is a religious nut trying to force his opinions on others.

Please refrain from calling Mr Waters a nut.

John Waters have written about Fahy before in The Irish Catholic paper, two years ago.
That's probably the base for the mention in his book.
http://www.irishcatholic.ie/quickfiles/2008/021008/021008.pdf?id=52&sku=021008 page 9

Very well. What, then, do we conclude in this context from recent reports from Galway, where Judge Fahy, sitting in open court in the full glare of the media, refused to record convictions in nine cases in which restaurants were prosecuted for serving wine on Good Friday last? Prosecuting restaurants for offering wine to their customers with their meals on Good Friday is `ludicrous' and `ridiculous', she said.
Judge Fahy, presiding at Galway District Court, elaborated that people were entitled to have wine with their meals even on Good Friday.

Judge Fahy marked the facts proven in all of the cases, but recorded no convictions. She said while the State and the Garda were technically correct in bringing the prosecutions under the intoxicating liquor legislation, she would not be happy to record convictions.
She observed that she was probably leaving herself open to judicial review by the State for taking this stance, but she didn't mind. ``If people want to go out for a meal on Good Friday I would have thought they could have a drink with their meal,'' she said.
``Technically you [the Garda inspector] are correct, but I think myself it is absolutely ludicrous that people, on holidays especially, cannot have a glass of wine with their meal. I'm not advocating that pubs open on Good Friday but I think restaurants should open''.

mikemac · 04-01-2011 5:18pm

Judge Fahy, was there ever a time when she wasn't outspoken and getting her opinions all over newspapers.
I used to look forward to the Galway Advertiser to see what she would come out with every week :rolleyes:

Judge Fahy marked the facts proven in all of the cases, but recorded no convictions. She said while the State and the Garda were technically correct in bringing the prosecutions under the intoxicating liquor legislation, she would not be happy to record convictions

She is there to follow the law, not undermine the Gardai who are doing their job. Maybe Mill St will think twice next time they bring people to court over this? Hopefully not

If she thinks she can write a better law then go run for the Dáil.

antoobrien · 04-01-2011 5:25pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

john garvan tried to introduce the curry and rice but clubs were against it as they might have had to give something back to the customers. they gave meal tickets but there was never any trace or smell of food within.

I though that had something to do with the licenses they were trading under at the time. If I remember correctly they were using a restaurant license because there were no specific allowances for clubs at the time (or there were a limited number allowed in Galway, something along those lines).

Judge Mary Fahy

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