How will you celebrate the annihilation of fianna fail at the next election.

56lcd · 16-01-2011 07:48PM #1

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

Liam Byrne · 16-01-2011 07:51PM

I'll celebrate by throwing a free party in the local, and then by actually staying in my own country because there will be a glimmer of hope!!!!

galwayrush · 16-01-2011 07:51PM

I will feel very happy if they were wiped out, but then again, the worst of them won't care either way as they go away with amazing pensions, that bit pissed me off because they don't deserve such financial reward for their incompetent running of this country.

Manach · 16-01-2011 07:52PM

Ye'all might wish to postpone the freedom party till after the 85B EU/IMF loan is repaid?

Permabear · 16-01-2011 07:56PM

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sligopark · 16-01-2011 08:00PM

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so we could finish ourselves off

Liam Byrne · 16-01-2011 08:54PM

Manach wrote: »

Ye'all might wish to postpone the freedom party till after the 85B EU/IMF loan is repaid?

We'll all be dead by then.

later12 · 16-01-2011 09:00PM

56lcd wrote: »

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run

I think you're in for quite a bit of disappointment. Markets tend to react disfavourably to changes in Government, especially when the incoming Government might call austerity measures into question, or also when that incoming Government are not really promising a whole lot of positive structural change.

Read Efinancialnews or the Financial Times... international analysts tend to have a hard time understanding how FG are different to FF in policy terms. But everyone knows what a Labour Party is, unfortunately.

Min · 16-01-2011 09:00PM

I'm going to celebrate by watching my local FF TD get elected.

Liam Byrne · 16-01-2011 09:03PM

Min wrote: »

I'm going to celebrate by watching my local FF TD get elected.

I've been saying for a while that there's a wake-up call required!

Don't forget to set your alarm so that you can wake up after watching the above!

sligopark · 16-01-2011 09:03PM

Min wrote: »

I'm going to celebrate by watching my local FF TD get elected.

I was laughing until I realised the local TD there is John McGuinness and he is one of a handful expected to be re-elected

Wolfe Tone · 16-01-2011 09:05PM

I will celebrate by watching the new government do the same things as FF would have

Min · 16-01-2011 09:07PM

I know John McGuinness, met him several times, on first name terms with him and I think he is the type of person that FF needs, not the current lot in the government.

He is the only local TD I have respect for.

steve9859 · 16-01-2011 09:08PM

56lcd wrote: »

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

I am not sure what is more ridiculous: comparing contemporary Ireland to regimes in which tens of thousands of people were routinely executed, believing that the next Government will be our saviours, or that we are a free country!

We gave away our freedom to the capital markets 20 years ago, we have further shackled ourselves to the IMF, the next crowd into Government are showers (just slightly less so than the current lot), and the sums wont suddenly add up just because Enda is at the helm!

Id keep the champagne on ice if I were you!!

Min · 16-01-2011 09:09PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I will celebrate by watching the new government do the same things as FF would have

Then we can watch them get annihilated in the polls :pac:

jimmycrackcorm · 16-01-2011 10:36PM

Ill be crying for all the poor suckers who genuinely believe that Eamon Gilmore will save us.

Cowan going won't make a difference.

phantom_lord · 16-01-2011 10:40PM

56lcd wrote: »

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

Such a strange post, FF were elected for all those years and were hugely popular, you weren't leaving under a tyrannic dictatorship.

pajor · 16-01-2011 10:41PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Ill be crying for all the poor suckers who genuinely believe that Eamon Gilmore will save us.

Cowan going won't make a difference.

We need Joe back from Brussels. He'll know what to do!

Min · 16-01-2011 10:50PM

Max Power1 wrote: »

This is the kind of pub-party-gombeen politics we need rid of.

FF ruined the country. I wouldnt give anyone from FF the steam off my piss in a 40 day drought. Dont vote any of these scumbags in.

Rubbish, the opposition parties were talking about 4.5% growth and also didn't see any banking/property disaster on the horizon.
I will vote for whom I feel will represent me and like it or not John McGuinness is a good politician - both locally and on a national level.

allprops · 16-01-2011 10:50PM

I will celebrate with a game of golf at Druids with a few of the boys. followed by a few drinks in a nice hotel in Galway, doing impressions, singing songs and then I'll make a quick phone call to some people in Montrose the next morning!

Min · 16-01-2011 10:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People are counting their chickens way too soon. You must realise that some of the brainless voters in this country make the people of Springfield and Shelbyville look like sane, strong minded individuals. Fianna Fail sold us the 'Monorail' all those years ago and guess what....we bought it big time!

I believe there is no limit to the stupidity of Irish people. Some still think if Bertie came back we'd be booming again :rolleyes:

Bertie is better off staying in the cupboard.

PeterIanStaker · 17-01-2011 01:51AM

There is still a braindead % of people who will give FF their first preference. I'm not celebrating anything or even thinking about doing so because people are so goddamn stupid it wouldn't suprise me if FF got in again. Not that it'll make a blind bit of difference.

Also, the opposition - terrorists, more civil war heads, and I cant believe its not labour - aren't fit to look after a goldfish, much less run a country under normal circumstances, not to mind one that has been run into the ground by cutehoorism and has a debt that our grandchildren will inherit.

The only positive thing that'll come out of this GE, in my cynical, distrustful, skeptical, ashamed, disgusted and disappointed mind, is the Greens will be gone. Which means jack sh*t to begin with.

The whole accursed mess is a farce and the media coverage is going to be vomit inducing, because we as a people are incapable of rational debate or discussion on serious issues - we still have pointless Civil War parties that are mirror images of each other nine decades on!

Ireland is DEAD and the people who fought & died for its indepence died for NOTHING. Part of me wishes that the two Koreas would go tactical nuclear before March, to spare me the sight of an election poster.

Maybe I'm wrong? I'd still rather be a cynic than an idealist.

walrusgumble · 17-01-2011 12:47PM

56lcd wrote: »

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

I will be pleased to see Fianna Fáil leave, and for many and their like, gone out of politics for ever. I am annoyed that people like Dermot Ahern and Noel Dempsey did not stay to fight, so that we could enjoy RTÉ's coverage at the counts centre seeing them loose, or at least squirm for the last seat, maybe a repeat of McDowell's exit. I also don't believe it will be like the last time Fianna Fáil fell from power after something like 16 years consecutive ruling, I think people will really dispise the name. But, there are always some.

However, although you may be sounding a bit over reaction, by using the three examples you gave. Maybe if you compared the feeling in Britian when Conservatives fell from power after over 10 years to Tony Blair's New Labour, might be an appropriate comparison. Why? Well, the examples you gave involved situations where the people had no say in these horrible events that had ruined them. People here, have continously voted Fianna Fáil into power. One of the key feelings amongst people in 2007 was that despite the Bertie situation, and the sudden doom and pinch in pokets, people stood in front of RTÉ and explained that they would vote FF because they trusted them to get the country out of the problems they had and they had no faith in the other parties.

Would Fine Gael have done any better? I have never voted Fianna Fáil in General Elections, but I accept that not everything they did was terrible.

I won't be jumping up and down, I will be relieved and joyful, but I would be apprehensive about what is next to come. Can we trust the others to get us out of the mess? Is it too late? What do the people themselves have to do?

T runner · 17-01-2011 05:14PM

56lcd wrote: »

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

FFs demise is not the end of our problems. FGs philosophy is identical. We are going down teh same coorporate and capitalist road. There will be no welfare for the poorer voices in our brave new country however if they get their way.

T runner · 17-01-2011 05:21PM

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

There is still a braindead % of people who will give FF their first preference. I'm not celebrating anything or even thinking about doing so because people are so goddamn stupid it wouldn't suprise me if FF got in again. Not that it'll make a blind bit of difference.

Well if it doesnt make a bit of difference then why would people be stupid to vote for FF? Not the cleverest thing to say on your part eh? Self righteousness is always only slightly ahead of hypocrisy

T runner · 17-01-2011 05:25PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'll celebrate by throwing a free party in the local, and then by actually staying in my own country because there will be a glimmer of hope!!!!

Only if labour keep a check on FG. FG are going down the same coorporate route as FF. Our education system will be ragbag of private corporate entities in 15 years. The man who negotiated for the consultants exorbitant fees may by the mercy of Satan actually be minister for Health!!! The first gust of wind may blow FGs Ireland down. Vote Labour

RichieC · 17-01-2011 05:27PM

I think the OP is a little optimistic... as if anythings going to change post election... seriously, they're all beholden to someone, FF or not.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

That is shocking..

Permabear · 17-01-2011 05:29PM

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PeterIanStaker · 17-01-2011 07:33PM

T runner wrote: »

Well if it doesnt make a bit of difference then why would people be stupid to vote for FF? Not the cleverest thing to say on your part eh? Self righteousness is always only slightly ahead of hypocrisy

By "making a difference" I meant that if a new govt comes in after the GE, whatever its composition, or Cowen decides to resign tomorrow, there's no point in being happy about it or slapping each other on the back as if we've cured cancer, there's still the "loan" aka "bailout" and all that. It's an upward climb and I dont' think any party in this country is capable of it. And as for hypocrisy, I'll leave it to the politicians and churchmen, they're the experts.

maynooth_rules · 17-01-2011 07:36PM

Min wrote: »

I know John McGuinness, met him several times, on first name terms with him and I think he is the type of person that FF needs, not the current lot in the government.

He is the only local TD I have respect for.

You have respect for a person that speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Remember he has never once voted against FF despite continuously seeking media attention giving out about Cowen and particularly Coughlan. I certainly will not be voting for him. Im from Carlow but it looks like I will be voting for JP Phealan

17-01-2011 07:44PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

You have respect for a person that speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Remember he has never once voted against FF despite continuously seeking media attention giving out about Cowen and particularly Coughlan. I certainly will not be voting for him. Im from Carlow but it looks like I will be voting for JP Phealan

Spot on yeah. Both him and 'Maaatae' have been doing that.

Min · 17-01-2011 08:25PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

You have respect for a person that speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Remember he has never once voted against FF despite continuously seeking media attention giving out about Cowen and particularly Coughlan. I certainly will not be voting for him. Im from Carlow but it looks like I will be voting for JP Phealan

He lost his job as Trade minister for standing upto Mary Coughlan. He is a member of FF and under the party whip, by staying under the party whip he now has power to at least and try and get of Cowen.
McGuinness got in trouble with Bertie for saying during the boom that the public service needed major reform.
I think that is his major problem, he hasn't been one of the yes men or women in FF who didn't rock the system, I think the public would have more confidence in John over Mary.

NewHillel · 17-01-2011 09:04PM

56lcd wrote: »

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

Who's been eating the Magic Mushroom's, then. :eek:
(Or maybe I've been missing the disembowelings, hangings, evictions, shootings...)

56lcd wrote: »

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

Never say never...

56lcd wrote: »

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Really? Where has all this hidden talent, not to mention all that free capital, been hiding?

56lcd wrote: »

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

Free from what, exactly? (Certainly not from debt!)

C'mon Brian, lets go for a pint. (No, you can't have one of those mushrooms.)

Absurdum · 17-01-2011 09:09PM

Sorry to rain on the parade but....

...Enda Kenny?

phantom_lord · 17-01-2011 09:52PM

What's wrong with Enda?

leincar · 17-01-2011 10:56PM

Min wrote: »

I know John McGuinness, met him several times, on first name terms with him and I think he is the type of person that FF needs, not the current lot in the government.

He is the only local TD I have respect for.

I share your constituency. McGuinness invited me to the official launch of his book. I declined. If McGuinness had, had a proper set of balls he would and should have walked. However, he didn't and people have seen through him and the FF TD who never seems to leave South Kilkenny(Aylward) will probably get the one FF seat at the election. As for celebrating first off all so many FF people are jumping of the gravy train before the next election the bastards are denying the electorate their chance to have an evil chuckle at all the Michael Portillo moments.

Still a couple of bottles of Louis Roderer will soon have me chuckling again.

Laminations · 18-01-2011 12:50AM

I was thinking I'll send a card of condolence to FF headquarters.

Something like this

I was thinking that's better then a mass card as FF have given the church enough of my money by limiting their liability in the child abuse scandals

I'll write something in it from the heart and to the point

'GOOD RIDDANCE'

Also may mash a fish head in the envelope to more accurately convey how much I think they stink.

Then I'll have a nice few beers before going live with my site that names and shames the (at that stage) hasbeen FF apologists that currently clutter the media, although their pathetic voices are dying out as they realise they are traitors to the country, each and every one. Their names followed by quotes of them betraying ireland to maintain a rotten dying party, words of defence and support will be saved for posterity so that future generations can look at how 15-20% of the country debased themselves and drove Ireland to the beggar bowl due to a retarded loyalty, a dose of self interest and a smattering of Stockholm syndrome

56lcd · 18-01-2011 04:58PM

Has ever journalist in the country disowned ff

......except berie's senator:D

supersean1999 · 18-01-2011 05:04PM

to answer the question, ill spend an hour in bed with the missus, then head out for a few pints to celebrate, go to bed, and wake up ,and do it all again for about 5 days

steamengine · 18-01-2011 08:46PM

Don't know about the afters but filling out the ballot paper 1 2 3 4 5 ......etc will be pleasurable and memorable.

T runner · 18-01-2011 10:31PM

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I said welfare not welfare support. For starters FG will support the Hunt view of Irish education. The population of students will increase from 42,000 to 67, 000. THis increase will be accommodated by Private enterprise. Corporate speak is the norm in our centers of education: Unit costs, customers, services etc.

FG will pursue this strategy. That means coorporate influence in all 3rd level institutres. Exhorbitant fees ala UK, and buckets of money to be made by these professional money makers. Uni will be completely out of the poorer families price range.

Have FG learned nothing from FFs slavery to open market capitalism? Aparently not, they will just do it better. Got help us all.

18-01-2011 11:00PM

T runner wrote: »

Speak for yourself. Its this type of inferior moronic attitude that is hard to abide. You are Irish, your parents are Irish, your family is Irish. Are all these people stupid or are your family exempt somehow?

How many more generations are we going to blame our problems on our Irishness instead of honestly cutting the bull and trying to solve them. we are always going to be Irish, it has nothing to do with anything.

Well first of all i am going to vote against FF but for example people in Thurles knew Lowry had form back in 1997 but they voted for him in their droves in North Tipperary and there is more examples, like Healy Rae, Jim McDaid and all the other parish pump politicians .
i am merely saying that i wouldn't be surprised if they did get in again.

I'm well aware of my nationality thanks very much and despite our faults i wouldn't have it any other way then being Irish but i wish they would abandon this stupid tribal voting system they have and start thinking national politics.

And of course i don't mean every single Irish person does it because there is a lot of people, and in particular on this site that feel strongly about the present state of the country, but in many many cases we the irish in general, are far too loyal to our politicians in this country.

For example on the news last year when rte news asked the people of Tullamore their opinion on Biffo's leadership everyone said he was doing a great job.
One guy even said 'Oh Biffos the man'. All of this after he committing their hard earned money to Anglo. It made me sick.

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Orizio · 19-01-2011 12:16AM

Unfortunately, as all culchies (i.e. 70% or so of the population) vote unthinkingly along lines of party/familial loyalty and parochial instincts rather then for ideological or national reasons, Fianna Fail will almost certainly get a large minority of the vote (40% plus) with Fine Gael around 30% and the rest trailing behind.

NewHillel · 19-01-2011 12:29AM

Orizio wrote: »

Unfortunately, as all culchies (i.e. 70% or so of the population) vote unthinkingly along lines of party/familial loyalty and parochial instincts rather then for ideological or national reasons, Fianna Fail will almost certainly get a large minority of the vote (40% plus) with Fine Gael around 30% and the rest trailing behind.

I can assure you that many of us culchies vote knowlingly, strategically and on the basis of perceived national interest, at a point in time.

Having said that, I personally know many people, all culchies like myself, who simply couldn't get themselves to vote against FF. The best they might achieve is to abstain from voting altogether. But then again, can you put a price on loyalty to Party, Leader and state. (FF part of what we are!)

Liam Byrne · 19-01-2011 12:29AM

Orizio wrote: »

Unfortunately, as all culchies (i.e. 70% or so of the population) vote unthinkingly along lines of party/familial loyalty and parochial instincts rather then for ideological or national reasons, Fianna Fail will almost certainly get a large minority of the vote (40% plus) with Fine Gael around 30% and the rest trailing behind.

Have you asked "all culchies", or are you just posting prejudicial nonsense ?

COYW · 19-01-2011 01:18PM

Wont be celebrating anything as I have better things to do and I am not naive enough to think that the new government will be any better. Personally, I can see FG/Labour in power after the election and they will squabble their way out of government with in 2-3 years. Public sector reform will be a killer for that coalition.

th3 s1aught3r · 19-01-2011 02:07PM

I would not celebrate any political election, unless it was the socialists, and only becasue they would actually do what they promise, unlike the rest
Cant see much change with FG/LAB tbh

gent9662 · 19-01-2011 04:12PM

Orizio wrote: »

Unfortunately, as all culchies (i.e. 70% or so of the population) vote unthinkingly along lines of party/familial loyalty and parochial instincts rather then for ideological or national reasons, Fianna Fail will almost certainly get a large minority of the vote (40% plus) with Fine Gael around 30% and the rest trailing behind.

I'm living in Galway for the past 5 years (moved down from Dublin). Unfortunately I have to agree with you, although there are a considerable number of Dubs who have culchie parents who vote FF in up in the big smoke too.
Until a new party is formed which is not affiliated to civil war politics, religion or ultra left wing nationalism we don't have any choice.

If FF do well in the election this time around, it does say to me that there is room for a new party, vision and manifesto! In order to get this started there needs to be at least 5 high profile members of FF and FG who will put differences aside and form a party based on the following (and fúck the greens):

1. Accountability
2. Sustainability of employment
3. New era of young nationalism
4. Free health care for all
5. Simple but effective/fair tax system
6. Innovation - self sustainability, less reliance on natural resources
7. Strict laws on how a politician should do business

Sorry went on a bit here, but really I feel there is scope for something new. It just needs to be started!

How will I celebrate? What is to celebrate? A bunch of cronies let off the hook and living the life of reily on state pensions paid for by me and you. The ones not retiring, let off the hook for committing political treason. I'll celebrate when Cowen, Lenihan, Fitzpatrick and all the other bástards are in dead and rotting in their graves!

19-01-2011 04:40PM

wont celebrate util disbandment!

sarumite · 19-01-2011 06:06PM

56lcd wrote: »

The Germans celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall.
The Romanians celebrated the end of Nicolae Ceauşescu's reign of terror.
Cambodia finally broke free from the hell of Pol Pot.

Here in Ireland we have suffered under the rule of fianna fail ever since the devious dev took over in 1933. .... but all bad things eventually come to an end.

The 800 years that we were suppressed by the English pale in comparison to the tyranny we have endured under fianna fail.

I am so looking forward to the momentous occasion of the count after the next election that will confirm the scourge of fianna fail is gone forever.

I have no doubt that International investors will invest fortunes in Ireland once they know that the country will be properly run.

Ireland will finally be free after the next election

Wow.....seriously just wow. I put in bold the parts of your post I think are a complete and utter rubbish.

How will you celebrate the annihilation of fianna fail at the next election.

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