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Can anyone really take Sinn Fein seriously?

  • 17-01-2011 05:39PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭


    With the GE coming up I am at a loss to who I will vote for other than Fianna Fail. What are other posters feelings for voting Sinn Fein in the upcoming election?

    Would it be dangerous or would it be radical enough to actually work?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    Nice, something new and refreshing. This hasn't been done before at all...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    No,only in Dublin would they be taken serious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Do we really need another "lets bash SF" thread?


    Personally I think they will make a terrific opposition party, an eventual government in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    Sinn Fein can't be any worse than the current bunch of losers. I'm hoping that they'll form the main opposition party in the next dail.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭gent9662


    Dotsey wrote: »
    as opposed to the econmically literate Fianna Fail and of course Fine Gael who plan to privatise the whole health system and force everyone into paying the Vhi and the likes for cover is it?

    What do you have to say about the corporate tax increase that sinn fein would probably back? How many jobs would be lost?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Do we really need another "lets bash SF" thread?


    Personally I think they will make a terrific opposition party, an eventual government in the future.



    providing of course you have no wealth or assets ,dont employ anybody and dont mind paying 65%tax to increase the number of public servants and maintain the lunatic social welfare rates in this country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    Dotsey wrote: »
    as opposed to the econmically literate Fianna Fail and of course Fine Gael who plan to privatise the whole health system and force everyone into paying the Vhi and the likes for cover is it?

    Not to mention selling off every asset we have left, the money from which would just go straight to paying off the IMF and ECB.

    Sinn Féin might not have the best economic policies, but I would sooner take them seriously over any Fianna Fáil cronie. And before any Fine Gaeler's step in - they're just as corrupt.

    I don't think this is about economic policies anyway, I think for people like the OP this is about Sinn Féin's connection to the IRA, which is fair enough. But if you want to go back far enough, FF, FG and Labour all have violent pasts.

    For me personally, the reason I take Sinn Féin seriously is because as a Repulican they're the only party actively seeking a United Ireland, and as a Socialist they're the only party calling for an alternative to the IMF/EU bailout and are actually representing the average Joe rather than their own narrow interests.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Dotsey wrote: »
    as opposed to the econmically literate Fianna Fail and of course Fine Gael who plan to privatise the whole health system and force everyone into paying the Vhi and the likes for cover is it?

    See, it's post like this that make me worry. I do believe SF will do well, but I worry its more because they are the only real alternative and not because theyare actually a good alternative. They may cause people to worry but they are different than pretty much every other party and people may vote for them simply because of that, not because they would be good leaders.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    No,only in Dublin would they be taken serious.

    That's not true - SF has it's biggest support in Connacht-Ulster, backed up by the last few opinion polls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    See, it's post like this that make me worry. I do believe SF will do well, but I worry its more because they are the only real alternative and not because theyare actually a good alternative. They may cause people to worry but they are different than pretty much every other party and people may vote for them simply because of that, not because they would be good leaders.

    In all fairness you could apply that logic to pretty much every party that isn't Fianna Fáil or the Green Party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    What do you have to say about the corporate tax increase that sinn fein would probably back? How many jobs would be lost?

    I didnt think they still held this view?

    Perhaps if more indigneous industry was encouraged and promoted during the boom years (Which Sinn Fein advocated strongly), We would not be in this position. I am not a Sinn Fein supporter (I dont support any 1 political party above others)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    SF has and always will be a protest party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    That's not true - SF has it's biggest support in Connacht-Ulster, backed up by the last few opinion polls.

    Top two supported parties in Dublin SF&Labour end off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    SF has and always will be a protest party.

    How are they a protest party?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭CFC1969


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.


    What current economic policies are "marxist" , or what policies do you personally feel are unrealistic.

    Most councillors who have left recently commented on the party moving towards the right ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    I didnt think they still held this view?

    Perhaps if more indigneous industry was encouraged and promoted during the boom years (Which Sinn Fein advocated strongly), We would not be in this position. I am not a Sinn Fein supporter (I dont support any 1 political party above others)

    They don't hold that view. Only recently Gerry Adams reiterated Sinn Féins policy of maintaining the 12.5% rate when Europe tried to force us to increase it as part of the bailout.

    Anyone with any common sense will know that SF are no threat to our corporation tax rate - its France and Germany we should be worried about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    I think it's fair to say politic's in Ireland is a big Failure in general.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭andrewire


    Jim236 wrote: »
    Not to mention selling off every asset we have left, the money from which would just go straight to paying off the IMF and ECB.

    Sinn Féin might not have the best economic policies, but I would sooner take them seriously over any Fianna Fáil cronie. And before any Fine Gaeler's step in - they're just as corrupt.

    I don't think this is about economic policies anyway, I think for people like the OP this is about Sinn Féin's connection to the IRA, which is fair enough. But if you want to go back far enough, FF, FG and Labour all have violent pasts.

    For me personally, the reason I take Sinn Féin seriously is because as a Repulican they're the only party actively seeking a United Ireland, and as a Socialist they're the only party calling for an alternative to the IMF/EU bailout and are actually representing the average Joe rather than their own narrow interests.

    An alternative to the IMF bailout, such as... ?

    The problem with SF is that they have no policies. They like to say NO to everything. Whoever mentions the nonsense of a 'United Ireland' should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_sovereignty_referendum,_1973


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Top two supported parties in Dublin SF&Labour end off.

    That's not true - FG and Labour are the most popular in Dublin.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Soldie


    No,only in Dublin would they be taken serious.

    The only bother canvassing in the working class areas of Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭Nozebleed


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    are you talking about fianna fail? im confused.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Jim236 wrote: »
    How are they a protest party?:confused:

    They've opposed every single referendum on Europe, including the accession referendum in 1972.

    Their latest protest nonsense had to do with the IMF. They wanted the Gov to reject the deal and tell the IMF to leave Ireland. They gave no credible alternative for Ireland getting the money to fund the state.

    This was a politically opportunistic that made no sense at all, but was consistent with their protest modus operandi in the Republic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    andrewire wrote: »
    An alternative to the IMF bailout, such as... ?

    Such as defaulting on the bank debt and only restructuring our soverign debt, and over a period of 6 or 7 years instead of the 4 years proposed by Fianna Fáil. Before the bailout most will have argued that we can't let the banks fail because we'll lose all our money etc etc, but since the bailout there is no longer any difference between defaulting on the bank debt and accepting the bailout - either way we're losing money, but with the bailout we'll be paying it off for years to come.
    andrewire wrote: »
    The problem with SF is that they have no policies. They like to say NO to everything.

    Of course they have policies, read their website and you'll see their manifestos.
    andrewire wrote: »
    Whoever mentions the nonsense of a 'United Ireland' should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_sovereignty_referendum,_1973

    And whoever links to the 1973 referendum clearly hasn't a clue. That referendum was boycotted by the Nationalist community and only Unionists voted in it, its not valid.

    Its widely accepted that the elections in the North are a de facto referendum on a United Ireland. So if you want an idea of support for it, Nationalist parties got 45% of the vote in the last election, while Unionist parties got 49%.

    So unless you can come up with a valid reason for dismissing the idea of a United Ireland other than a wikipedia link to the 1973 void referendum, then I'd stop digging yourself a hole by calling it "nonsense", because its anything but.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    They've opposed every single referendum on Europe, including the accession referendum in 1972.

    Their latest protest nonsense had to do with the IMF. They wanted the Gov to reject the deal and tell the IMF to leave Ireland. They gave no credible alternative for Ireland getting the money to fund the state.

    This was a politically opportunistic that made no sense at all, but was consistent with their protest modus operandi in the Republic.

    Sinn Féin weren't formed to say NO to every referendum, so you can't call them a protest party.

    And there was actually a split in the party in the 2nd Lisbon referendum. The Northern leadership (who are more pro-European) wanted the party to canvass for a YES vote to show it had defeated the first referendum and forced Europe to give Ireland concessions, whereas the Southern leadership still wanted to vote NO, and the Southern leadership won out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    [Mod]
    In the absence of any opinion, discussion or insight in the original post, I see no reason to leave this thread open.

    If the OP isn't going to contribute, I don't expect other posts to reach much standard.

    Apologies to anyone invested in this thread.
    OP, if you want to start a thread, read the forum rules first.

    CLOSED


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