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Say possible goodbye to religious symbols in the classroom. UPDATE: No Joy!

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  • #62
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    fontanalis wrote: »
    You mean children who are being shown a symbol that because they don't belive in it that they are going to hell. That's disgusting, nothing to do with offense.
    If they don't believe in the symbol they also don't believe in hell so it's rather meaningless for them.


  • #63
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Why. Kids already learn about other religions in school as it is.
    Cue all the posters who are absolutely clueless about the current school system disagreeing with that.


  • #64
    dyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭dyl10


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    What are you talking about?

    How do you know what MY "version" of Ireland is.

    It is the reasons that we are doing this that I take issue with.

    What's next, stop Christmas Carols being sung on Grafton St or take down the pope's cross if someone complains that it's spoiling their enjoyment of having a picnic in the park.

    No, sorry, the religious indoctrination of children through the state education system is not OK.

    If people don't like the carrols, they can keep walking, just like they walk by the concern people, the buskers, the beggars etc.


  • #65
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Nodin wrote: »
    You've a news article or something on that....?

    Article? There's an entire website: www.dailymail.co.uk


  • #66
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Cue all the posters who are absolutely clueless about the current school system disagreeing with that.


    From the NCCA website, who put together the curriculum for primary schools in Ireland.
    The development and implementation of the curriculum in religious education in primary schools remains the responsibility of the relevant church authorities.

    NCCA.ie

    Sounds the same as it's always been.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #67
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I remember this symbol always as a kid. It brings back good memories.
    Seriously though this seems a bit extreme. Is there really a need. Shouldn't the kids just be educated to be very open minded and respectful of others or lack of religion.


  • #68
    Twin-go
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Cue all the posters who are absolutely clueless about the current school system disagreeing with that.

    Please enlighten us clueless so.


  • #69
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    koth wrote: »
    From the NCCA website, who put together the curriculum for primary schools in Ireland.


    Sounds the same as it's always been.
    When did you go to school?


  • #70
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    dyl10 wrote: »
    No, sorry, the religious indoctrination of children through the state education system is not OK.

    Quit strawmanning, I never said it was.

    Go back and read the content of my posts, not what you think I mean.


  • #71
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Article? There's an entire website: www.dailymail.co.uk

    From the newspaper that brought you the super moon/earthquake.
    I've no doubt morons would try something like that but using the daily mail as a source isn't very crdible


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  • #72
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When did you go to school?

    Mid 80s through the 90s.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #73
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Keep the flags, yeah, get rid of the religious stuff, but got to keep the flags.


  • #74
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Keep the flags, yeah, get rid of the religious stuff, but got to keep the flags.

    What flags? :confused:


  • #75
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Keep the flags, yeah, get rid of the religious stuff, but got to keep the flags.

    :pac:

    Right on form. :D;)


  • #76
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    To become the inoffensive franchise, palatable to the masses.

    I've no idea what thats supposed to mean, tbh.


  • #77
    Laura_lolly87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Laura_lolly87


    I don't understand why the mother gets money, is it just because her kids were looking at something she doesn't agreed with?


  • #78
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Twin-go wrote: »
    Please enlighten us clueless so.
    I gladly will.

    Primary School - Started in 1998 as a non-Catholic

    All throughout the years I remember on numerous occasions during Religion classes there being discussions about other Religions and even atheism. Not actual "discussions" of course but more the teacher answering our questions about other Religions as well as Catholicism. Being a non-Catholic, I could stay out of religious activities if I wanted to. We all saw the limited time we spent doing Religion as being equivalent to Art and crafts in terms of fun. People actually looked forward to it as it was a break from the routine of English, Irish and Maths that we did every day. Also, contrary to popular belief teachers did teach us science and other cultures and religions. In third class alone we were given two projects to do throughout the year. One was on evolution and Darwin and other was on the Aztecs and their customs and religious beliefs.

    Secondary School - Started in 2006 (Finishing up this year)

    Religion in the Junior Cycle consisted of the five major world religions and other belief systems such as humanism, agnosticism and atheism. There was also an entire section of the course dedicated to morality from a neutral perspective. Back in 2009 when I sat my JC I wrote an essay about Atheism and Agnosticism for my Religion exam. As for the LC, I skip two out of three classes a week as I need the time for something else. So far we've learned about Plato, the Rwandan Genocide, Medical ethics and we had a "module" about death.


  • #79
    Gerald Melodic Bubble
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Gerald Melodic Bubble


    God in heaven I dont care about the symbols, can they not worry about the state indoctrination first!!!


  • #80
    ScumLord
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Well, the cross originally meant the Romans were gonna execute you.

    There's also the Celtic cross which is a different type of cross.
    It's not really, I think the circle does add an extra meaning but overall it's essential symbolising the same thing.

    There could be a danger that lopsided children would start turning religious when they see X's.


  • #81
    Twin-go
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    One religious symbol should not be given preference over others in a classroom (All or None).

    Children should learn about religion as part of a culture class.
    Education in a specific belief should be done elsewhere (Home, Sunday School etc.).

    Children should also not become members of a church untill they are old enough to make the decision for themselves at 16 or 18 years old.


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  • #82
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    To become the inoffensive franchise, palatable to the masses.

    Or, you know, the state not endorsing any one religion...

    But then that doesn't sound as rabble-rousing as what you said.


  • #83
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    A huge model of a T rex for people with no religion could make up for it? A model of Jesus washing it too.


  • #84
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Twin-go wrote: »
    Children should also not become members of a church untill they are old enough to make the decision for themselves at 16 or 18 years old.
    Why not?

    If they have Religious parents then their parents have every right to do what they think is best for their child and if that entails membership of a certain Religion then so be it.


  • #85
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    Biggins wrote: »
    Forgive my genuine lack of knowledge. Who?

    Iona institute fookwit


  • #86
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why not?

    If they have Religious parents then their parents have every right to do what they think is best for their child and if that entails membership of a certain Religion then so be it.
    I could not join the FCA til I was 17 so why not religion too


  • #87
    Twin-go
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I gladly will.

    Primary School - Started in 1998 as a non-Catholic

    All throughout the years I remember on numerous occasions during Religion classes there being discussions about other Religions and even atheism. Not actual "discussions" of course but more the teacher answering our questions about other Religions as well as Catholicism. Being a non-Catholic, I could stay out of religious activities if I wanted to. We all saw the limited time we spent doing Religion as being equivalent to Art and crafts in terms of fun. People actually looked forward to it as it was a break from the routine of English, Irish and Maths that we did every day. Also, contrary to popular belief teachers did teach us science and other cultures and religions. In third class alone we were given two projects to do throughout the year. One was on evolution and Darwin and other was on the Aztecs and their customs and religious beliefs..

    Shouldn't Religion Class be about all religions not Catholicism and "Others"

    Was it realy Catholic class we it happened that other religions were mentioned>

    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Secondary School - Started in 2006 (Finishing up this year)

    Religion in the Junior Cycle consisted of the five major world religions and other belief systems such as humanism, agnosticism and atheism. There was also an entire section of the course dedicated to morality from a neutral perspective. Back in 2009 when I sat my JC I wrote an essay about Atheism and Agnosticism for my Religion exam. As for the LC, I skip two out of three classes a week as I need the time for something else. So far we've learned about Plato, the Rwandan Genocide, Medical ethics and we had a "module" about death.

    Seems like a more rounded approach but could you say that each of the five major religions were thought equily or was it still a us and them?

    The fact that you can opt out of class due to not been catholic might have a bearing on how you view the class. If you could opt out you wouldn't have the time you need for something else.


  • #88
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    gcgirl wrote: »
    I could not join the FCA til I was 17 so why not religion too
    How is this relevant to my post?


  • #89
    Adyx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    While I would have no issue with the removal of all religious symbols from schools (or even all religion), and without wanting to come across as some sort of euro-skeptic, if we were to do this it should be our decision. Even if it's not binding as pointed out above, I don't think the level of interference being demonstrated by the various European institutions is acceptable.


  • #90
    Gerald Melodic Bubble
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Gerald Melodic Bubble


    They should do like the amish where the parents bring their kids up that way since they think that's best, but then the kids are sent off to decide for themselves at 16


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  • #91
    Twin-go
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why not?

    If they have Religious parents then their parents have every right to do what they think is best for their child and if that entails membership of a certain Religion then so be it.

    Jahova's don't allow for blood transfusions because of their belief. Is that what is best for their child if the child needs one?

    I have no problem raising the child in a faith if that is their wish. But it should be the individual who decides if they will join the faith of their parents.


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