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Census 2011 - Question 6 - What is your place of birth?

  • 29-03-2011 03:05PM
    #1
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭


    What is your place of birth?
    Give the place where your mother lived
    at the time of your birth.
    If IRELAND (including Northern Ireland),
    write in the COUNTY.
    If elsewhere ABROAD, write in the COUNTRY.

    I don't get this - a friend of mine was asking me about his scenario - his mother lived in Carlow but she gave birth to him in Dublin (one day in hospital for the birth and then back to Carlow - apparentely a lot of "first borns" were sent to the larger maternity hospitals on their first pregnancy).

    So in this case is the correct answer to "What is your place of birth?"

    1. Dublin

    2. Carlow (as the mother lived there at time of birth)

    3. Both of the above as answers

    ???????????:confused:
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Comments

  • #2
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    i was always told to put down dublin even though i was only there for 2-3 days


  • #3
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The intention here is to track the movement of people from the place that they grew up in.

    Someone else had posted recently that they were born abroad while their mother was on holiday, so they queried it with the CSO who told them that the correct answer was that they were born in Ireland, in whatever town they grew up.

    The question probably should be, "In what county was your mother living at the time that you were born", but historically, "Where were you born" has generally been regarded as the same question.


  • #4
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,723 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Agree that it's confusing but the explanatory note would clearly suggest that the answer in this case is Carlow.

    I think they have made the decision to ignore circumstances where a baby was born prematurely in an unexpected place or where a woman lived outside a major city but for various reasons choose to or had to have the baby in a major maternity hospital. In both cases they are saying that the mother's place of residence should be given regardless of where the birth took place.

    If they didn't frame the question this way there would be a disproportionate number of babies born in Dublin whereas a lot of them were really culchees!


  • #5
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    i was always told to put down dublin even though i was only there for 2-3 days

    Yes i think in this case "dublin" but it also asks - Give the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth.
    The intention here is to track the movement of people from the place that they grew up in.

    Someone else had posted recently that they were born abroad while their mother was on holiday, so they queried it with the CSO who told them that the correct answer was that they were born in Ireland, in whatever town they grew up.

    The question probably should be, "In what county was your mother living at the time that you were born", but historically, "Where were you born" has generally been regarded as the same question.

    If IRELAND (including Northern Ireland),
    write in the COUNTY.
    If elsewhere ABROAD, write in the COUNTRY covers someone being born abroad.

    This doesn't answer my query however !!:)


  • #6
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Agree that it's confusing but the explanatory note would clearly suggest that the answer in this case is Carlow.

    I think they have made the decision to ignore circumstances where a baby was born prematurely in an unexpected place or where a woman lived outside a major city but for various reasons choose to or had to have the baby in a major maternity hospital. In both cases they are saying that the mother's place of residence should be given regardless of where the birth took place.

    If they didn't frame the question this way there would be a disproportionate number of babies born in Dublin whereas a lot of them were really culchees!

    The question should either be

    1. What is your place of birth?

    or

    2. Where was your mother living when you were born?

    or indeed both questions perhaps


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  • #7
    Kosseegan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Kosseegan


    I always answer that question as being the place of the county who issued my birth cert. I lost a job once through the stupidity of a careers guidance teacher who said to put the place where the parents are ordinarily resident at the time of birth. The employer checked with the births in that county and of course did not find me, so no job!


  • #8
    pmcd22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭pmcd22


    place of birth doesnt mean the exact given day of birth but where the child went home to after the hospital.

    put down Carlow.


  • #9
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    I always answer that question as being the place of the county who issued my birth cert.

    Isn't this the county you were born in though :confused:


  • #10
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    place of birth doesnt mean the exact given day of birth but where the child went home to after the hospital.

    Come on, surely "PLACE" of birth means just that - the place you were born, if they wanted to know where you were living the day before birth they'd have asked that no ?


  • #11
    pmcd22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭pmcd22


    this question has nothing got to do with your birth cert.

    its got to do when you were born, where was your mother living? the mother wasnt living in dublin hospital, she was living in Carlow.


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  • #12
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,723 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Come on, surely "PLACE" of birth means just that - the place you were born, if they wanted to know where you were living the day before birth they'd have asked that no ?

    You're flogging a dead horse here, the answer is Carlow.


  • #13
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Yes i think in this case "dublin" but it also asks - Give the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth.
    ...

    This doesn't answer my query however !!:)
    Tbh, the question when coupled with the explanatory note, is fairly straightforward:

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    It's just the question itself (in bold) which isn't exactly clear. You put down the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth. Your mother wasn't living in the hospital when you were born :)


  • #14
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    The question is -
    What is your place of birth?
    Give the place where your mother lived
    at the time of your birth.
    If IRELAND (including Northern Ireland),
    write in the COUNTY.
    If elsewhere ABROAD, write in the COUNTRY.

    its got to do when you were born, where was your mother living? the mother wasnt living in dublin hospital, she was living in Carlow.

    The question ask each person on the census form "What is your place of birth", to me in this case it is Dublin - end of story??


  • #15
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    You're flogging a dead horse here, the answer is Carlow.

    Not doing this for the sake of argument BTW, guy asked me and was wondering that's all.

    The question IS NOT CLEAR AND WILL BE MIS-INTERPRETED in my opinion.
    You put down the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth. Your mother wasn't living in the hospital when you were born smile.gif

    The question is directed at who then? "What is your place of birth" is the question and it asks each person on the census form this, so in this case it is ot Dublin?

    If they want to know where the mother was living at the time of birth (obviously not the actual hospital) then they should say so - or ask a seperate question See post number 6


  • #16
    MinnyMinor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭MinnyMinor


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Not doing this for the sake of argument BTW, guy asked me and was wondering that's all.

    The question IS NOT CLEAR AND WILL BE MIS-INTERPRETED in my opinion.



    The question is directed at who then? "What is your place of birth" is the question and it asks each person on the census form this, so in this case it is ot Dublin?

    If they want to know where the mother was living at the time of birth (obviously not the actual hospital) then they should say so - or ask a seperate question See post number 6
    where was she living then? what air did she breathe carlow or dublin hospital? i remember reading aboutva hosp that was threatened with closure and had a maternity dept and people said there will be no more x* people
    *name of county
    would that not suggest the answer is where the birth took place rather than where the family lived?


  • #17
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,723 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Ok, let's park the confusing way the question is framed for a second and jump 100 years into the future when the census records are released to the public.

    If your descendants are tracing their relatives in the year 2111 and they look up the 2011 census, the chances are that the exact place you were born will probably have been forgotten but what will be important to your great-grandchildren is where your family were living at the time you were born and this is the information the census people are asking for.

    Say your parents lived in Mallow Co. Cork when you were born but you actually arrived prematurely when they were on a weekend visiting relatives in Roscommon. Looking at it from the perspective of people tracing you in the census in 100 years time, do you really think that you should put 'Co. Roscommon' as your place of birth?

    I have no idea exactly where my four grandparents were born but I know where each of them was raised as children and when I was checking the 1901 and 1911 census returns I expected to (and did) find them listed with their local towns or counties listed as the 'place of birth'.

    I have no way of telling if they were born in the next town or county but I'm glad that the question is and was aimed at the place the family lived at the time the child was born and not the precise place the birth occurred.


  • #18
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Perhaps it's time the CSO then clarified the question ?


  • #19
    MinnyMinor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭MinnyMinor


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Perhaps it's time the CSO then clarified the question ?
    it'll confuse caci when info is being shared ;)if nothing else


  • #20
    vicwatson
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    caci?


  • #21
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Perhaps it's time the CSO then clarified the question ?
    Is the text below the question not clarification enough?


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  • #22
    MinnyMinor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭MinnyMinor


    vicwatson wrote: »
    caci?
    CACI


  • #23
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Is the text below the question not clarification enough?

    If it was I wouldn't have started the thread eh!;)


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