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Download Illegally? You're no better than the looters.

  • 12-08-2011 11:35AM
    #1
    jme2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭jme2010


    This was a debate I had with a co-worker.

    I dissaprove of the rioting and looting, but I download illeaglly: songs, games, dvds, iphone apps etc.

    He saw this as somewhat of a contradiction.

    Are those who download illegally "criminals" as he put it? Or is it "not the same thing" as I put it.

    Total grey area in my opinion.

    Is downloading illegally similar to looting? 618 votes

    Yes, absolutely the same thing.
    0% 0 votes
    No, I'd download the internet if I could.
    10% 63 votes
    It's a grey area with some moral issues.
    89% 555 votes


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  • #2
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    How is it grey? You're stealing it and that's the end of it.


  • #3
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    We never actually take the original though. When looting you actually remove the item. We just copy. :)


  • #4
    Copper_pipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    if you download illegally you are stealing IMO


  • #5
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    You download pictures of ill eagles? Seriously, learn to spell.

    On the point, theft is theft. You agree with theft or you don't - doesn't matter that one is obviously a lot less serious than the other


  • #6
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    There is no comparison between stealing intellectual property and stealing physical property, arson and assaulting and terrorising innocent human beings.


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  • #7
    baaaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭baaaa


    jme2010 wrote: »
    This was a debate I had with a co-worker.

    I dissaprove of the rioting and looting, but I download illeaglly: songs, games, dvds, iphone apps etc.

    He saw this as somewhat of a contradiction.

    Are those who download illeaglly "criminals" as he put it? Or is it "not the same thing" as I put it.

    Total grey area in my opinion.
    "not the same thing"as you put it.


  • #8
    CardBordWindow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    Every time i download a song, I go into town and smash a window.


  • #9
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    You make a good point actually and i am an illegal downloader and a deep condemner of the looting.


  • #10
    connundrum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭connundrum


    You're.


  • #11
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    You download pictures of ill eagles? Seriously, learn to spell.

    Great post made me lol:)


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  • #12
    Messi2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Messi2


    Who cares.


  • #13
    Tony Shy Orange
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Tony Shy Orange


    My no better?


    Anyway it's more equivalent to going into the shops, making exact copies and leaving the originals undisturbed...


  • #14
    Alter-Ego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Alter-Ego


    Yeah, because putting a bin through the window of Carphone Warehouse window is exactly the same as downloading Phil Collins' Greatest Hits.


  • #15
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    Alter-Ego wrote: »
    Yeah, because putting a bin through the window of Carphone Warehouse window is exactly the same as downloading Phil Collins' Greatest Hits.

    There's two items very wrong with that post.


  • #16
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    This.


  • #17
    ríomhaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭ríomhaire


    Pirating is certainly not on the same level as looting. Looting is active destruction and theft of objects that directly cost money. Most people who pirate things wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the pirating options wasn't available I find.

    Now I don't excuse piracy at all, but putting it on the same level as rioting and looting is bonkers. Pirating is still theft though. Copyright is an important thing. It's there to protect artists and people who create. It means that I can't just reprint Terry Pratchett's books and sell them myself without giving him a cut, which is a damn good thing because if he didn't live off his book sales he would never have written so many, nor would he have been able to donate so much money to Alzheimer's research.

    Though that said I don't think copyright violation should be a criminal offence. I think it should be a civil matter between the copyright holder and the violator and it's a waste of time for the police or the courts to be hunting down teenagers who seeded Crysis to loads of people. EA can take it up with the kid and sue him if they like.


    I would also make a point that I find nothing wrong with pirating abandonware or media that is not available to your region (I believe that the Room is only available on region 1 locked DVDs for example).


  • #18
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    well I know the last time I downloaded an album it resulted in 16,000 police officers being mobilised, people being moved out of their homes in fear of them being burnt to the ground, mass rioting, news reports all day, traffic and business disruptions, unemployment, mass arson and a resulting look at todays youth and their roles in a society that abandoned them. so yes, its the same thing. shame on me.

    It wasnt even that good, I preferred their early stuff.


  • #19
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,863 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    If i download a movie there is a chance i like it that much, that i decide to buy the DVD or Blu-Ray.
    Bought movies i would never had bought if i hadn't seen the downloaded copy first.

    Fat chance, that if i loot a shop for their DVD's i would go back later and buy another copy just for the fun of it.


  • #20
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Mena wrote: »
    How is it grey? You're stealing it and that's the end of it.

    Copyright infringement is now stealing?

    If some person designs a widget and I make a copy of their blueprints and make my own version using my own materials, is that theft?


  • #21
    Alter-Ego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Alter-Ego


    wild_cat wrote: »
    There's two items very wrong with that post.
    Yeah, they don't even sell carphones and they're usually just shops and not warehouses.


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  • #22
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Copyright infringement is now stealing?

    If some person designs a widget and I make a copy of their blueprints and make my own version using my own materials, is that theft?

    Yes


  • #23
    Kold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    The only reason that I take drugs is so that drug dealers can commit murder and therefore I can get off on the thrill of murder indirectly.


  • #24
    ríomhaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭ríomhaire


    The poll options are stupid. Just because pirating isn't theft doesn't mean it's fine or a grey area. It's not theft; it's copyright violation. They're two different things but neither are good.


  • #25
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    Actually, they are being shared! So somebody somewhere bought them initially!

    You are basically copying of somebody who has copied who has copied who has copied etc etc


  • #26
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Ah here's the other image I was looking for.


  • #27
    Dun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Dun


    Piracy is not theft. As much as I'd love to download a new Galaxy S2, it's not possible.


  • #28
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Alter-Ego wrote: »
    Yeah, because putting a bin through the window of Carphone Warehouse window is exactly the same as downloading Phil Collins' Greatest Hits.


    I consider this the greater crime.


  • #29
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Mena wrote: »
    Yes

    Would you, maybe, like to explain your reasoning behind that? I'm not depriving them of the use of their blueprint or taking materials to make my own widget, so how is it theft?


  • #30
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    piracy is theft, and all the moral hoops you all try to jump through to convince yourselves otherwise are just ridiculous.


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  • #31
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Dun wrote: »
    Piracy is not theft. As much as I'd love to download a new Galaxy S2, it's not possible.

    Aw, yours is better cos it has lil piggies. D'aw.


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