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I greatly dislike Neil Warnock

  • 26-09-2011 05:48AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭


    I think Neil Warnock's comments on the EPL's youngest ref were disgusting, trying to intimidate and undermine him.

    Sure it was 'only' a shirt pull but the AV player went down and technically its a foul. So it can be justifiably a (soft) penalty.

    Both his shouts for peno's were ball-to-hand so no nice.

    And Traore could have gotten a straight red.

    He'll take his fine I'm sure, but I hope it doesn't ruin that young ref's confidence.

    I know Warnock has previous, but i thought this was very underhand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    IMO there is nothing wrong in telling how they feel. There were many questionable decisions so it is natural for any person to balme the ref. I thought QPR were hard done. Very soft penalty and hand ball which is also a foul if we consider slight shirt pull as foul.

    Also can understand his frustration, played very well against Newcastle but ended up with only a point, same against Villa played well for major part of the game, still ended up with draw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    IMO there is nothing wrong in telling how they feel. There were many questionable decisions so it is natural for any person to balme the ref. I thought QPR were hard done. Very soft penalty and hand ball which is also a foul if we consider slight shirt pull as foul.

    Also can understand his frustration, played very well against Newcastle but ended up with only a point, same against Villa played well for major part of the game, still ended up with draw.

    "Ball to hand" so handling the ball isn't always an offence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Agree on the dislike of Warnock. Some of stuff he comes out with is cringe worthy at best.

    On yesterdays decisions, QPR deserved a draw, I think the pull on Agbonlahor was a penalty, just most ref's dont give them becasue they miss them but it is a foul, outside the box its a free so no reason it isnt a peno.

    Huttons first handball was a penalty IMO, he had enough distance to get his hand out of the way and was blocking the ball going to goal, the 2nd one was ball to hand as he was about a yard away from the ball, I think the ref got the Traore 2 yellows right.

    Cant remember too many fouls by Villa that could have gotten there players sent off, except maybe Huttons handball as if had been given he could hae got a second yellow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭du Maurier


    He always seems so hard done by. The gospel according to Neil Warnock time and time again. He's a trained referee himself so maybe this is where he takes it upon himself to furnish us with his own letter of the law - it's too often his talking point as long as I can remember with his interviews. Play a different tune.

    He was right to be pissed about the Hutton block but has again blown the 'incompetence' of referees card out of proportion. Ridiculous really, and there's much of the Championship naivety and bluster about him ("The big teams get all the decisions..blah blah blah. Ian Holloway was another moany cnut in that regard as well)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    I've met Warnock a few times and he's a different person off camera IMO.

    It's all a front and i don't know why people get their knickers in a twist.

    Of the penalties, if the Villa one is given then the players deserve consistency.

    I think the first one of Hutton's handballs is a penalty and a yellow card at least.

    The second although not a penalty IMO, Hutton deliberately made himself big which i think players have been warned not to do.

    I think Petrov should have seen red too for his tackle.
    I think he knew he was in trouble and his reaction may have saved him.

    Silly tackle for Traore to make when already on a yellow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    efb wrote: »
    I think Neil Warnock's comments on the EPL's youngest ref were disgusting, trying to intimidate and undermine him.

    Sure it was 'only' a shirt pull but the AV player went down and technically its a foul. So it can be justifiably a (soft) penalty.

    Both his shouts for peno's were ball-to-hand so no nice.

    And Traore could have gotten a straight red.

    He'll take his fine I'm sure, but I hope it doesn't ruin that young ref's confidence.

    I know Warnock has previous, but i thought this was very underhand.
    How exactly did he try to "undermine and intimidate" him? And what has the fact that he is the PL's youngest ref got to do with the price of rice? He's surely big enough and ugly enough to have his decisions questioned.

    I saw nothing wrong with his comments in his interview on Sky Sports after the game. He's questioned a couple of decisions as pretty much everyone that's watched the game has.

    He also went on to describe Oliver as "one of the best referees" in the Premier League according to The Guardian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    That's called covering his ass.

    It's like Older players nurture younger players young refs have to be nurtured also


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    efb wrote: »
    That's called covering his ass.

    It's like Older players nurture younger players young refs have to be nurtured also
    Covering his ass for what?

    Also, maybe he should be nurtured in the lower leagues then. Just like a young player is often sent on loan. But if he's good enough for the bigger leagues then he should be able to take what comes with it.

    Edit: I've just seen the post-match interview again on SSN. Warnock actually says "he's done well" referring to the referee's performance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    My favourite bit was...
    Warnock wrote:
    They've stayed on the pitch, Collins and the number 10, whoever he was, should have been booked twice.

    That'd be Nzogbia Neil :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Any manager that does an interview from his patio out his back garden should be shot with balls of their own Shiite .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭AnCapaillMor


    Here's a little known fact, Warnock has never lost a game fairly. Warnocks always whinging bout something or other but he's as bad as ferguson and wenger not worse. He loses more games than them and so we see him whinge more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Jigga


    Dermot Gallagher said on Sky Sports News that Villa’s penalty should not have been given.

    He also said the first handball from Hutton was blatant and a stonewall penalty!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    efb wrote: »
    "Ball to hand" so handling the ball isn't always an offence.

    I never got this hand to ball talk. If someone on the line with his arms out for 'balance' stopped the ball going into the net that had been blasted from the 6 yard box it's obviously a penalty. So even 'ball to hand' doesn't work 100%


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have to say actually like Warnock. Has a personality unlike a lot of dour managers these days and is always worth a listen even if most of what he says is biased and bull which he knows himself. Underneath all that he is an excellent manager who has done a great job with qpr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,007 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    I'm not loving Kennys or Fergies interviews this season to be honest...very snappy and whingy at times. At least Warnock is entertaining!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Surprised nobody has mentioned the disgraceful way Warnock treated his own player!

    No matter what he may have felt about Traore yesterday, no manager should come out and call his own player a disgrace. You back your player in public and deal with things like that behind closed doors.

    How on earth can Traore play for that man now? And what must the other players think? Will they be lambasted in public next?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Good manager but a fail on humanity, any sympathy one would have had for QPR after yesterday and the Newcastle game are quickly eroded when Warnock opens he's mouth. That and the sight of Joey Bartons wonderfull haircut :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Surprised nobody has mentioned the disgraceful way Warnock treated his own player!

    No matter what he may have felt about Traore yesterday, no manager should come out and call his own player a disgrace. You back your player in public and deal with things like that behind closed doors.

    How on earth can Traore play for that man now? And what must the other players think? Will they be lambasted in public next?
    Traore is a grown man and surely would have know what Warnock is like before he signed for QPR a few short weeks ago.

    Man up IMO

    Warnock spoke the truth. It was his opinion that Traore was a 'disgrace'
    He also said Traore would learn from it and be a better player.

    He who lives by the sword dies by the sword and he knows that well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭mosstin


    gavredking wrote: »
    Agree on the dislike of Warnock. Some of stuff he comes out with is cringe worthy at best.

    On yesterdays decisions, QPR deserved a draw, I think the pull on Agbonlahor was a penalty, just most ref's dont give them becasue they miss them but it is a foul, outside the box its a free so no reason it isnt a peno.

    Huttons first handball was a penalty IMO, he had enough distance to get his hand out of the way and was blocking the ball going to goal, the 2nd one was ball to hand as he was about a yard away from the ball, I think the ref got the Traore 2 yellows right.

    Cant remember too many fouls by Villa that could have gotten there players sent off, except maybe Huttons handball as if had been given he could hae got a second yellow.

    This is the whole point about refereeing that seems lost on most folk. Decisions are made by referees in a split second with no reference to replays. A million factors can affect that decision - player running across referee's line of sight, simulation etc.
    Based on yesterday's performance I think the ref did a top job. What - because other ref's fail to give pens for the blatant shirt tug, he shouldn't either? His positioning for all of the incidents was top notch and it's easy to see why he missed the handball as the ball passed through a crowded penalty area. If anything his assistant probably had a better chance to see it.
    Warnock is an always has been a tit and his comments regarding the penalty awarded/not awarded will be repeated ad nauseum throughout the rest of the season as they will be by every manager in the Premier League.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭G.K.


    Regarding handballs, 'ball to hand' doesn't exist. It's about whether the referee considers the handball intentional or not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    amiable wrote: »
    Traore is a grown man and surely would have know what Warnock is like before he signed for QPR a few short weeks ago.

    Man up IMO

    Warnock spoke the truth. It was his opinion that Traore was a 'disgrace'
    He also said Traore would learn from it and be a better player.

    He who lives by the sword dies by the sword and he knows that well.

    Its nothing to do with whether Traore is a grown man. Fact is that no manager should ever humiliate their player like that in public. Hell, forget football, show me a manager in any industry who denigrates their own staff in public and I will show you a crap manager.

    Warnock can think he is a disgrace all he wants, but Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, none of the top managers would ever have done that to their own player, because it is a complete breach of trust.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Its nothing to do with whether Traore is a grown man. Fact is that no manager should ever humiliate their player like that in public. Hell, forget football, show me a manager in any industry who denigrates their own staff in public and I will show you a crap manager.

    Warnock can think he is a disgrace all he wants, but Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, none of the top managers would ever have done that to their own player, because it is a complete breach of trust.
    Warnock is still the boss and has done a great job at QPR so far IMO

    When he took over he steered them away from relegation worries.

    In his first full year he got them promoted as champions playing good football.

    As i said in my earlier post if Traore didn't want to play for someone like Warnock he didn't have to.
    Not the first time Warnock done it and i'd doubt it will be his last.

    People don't like as you seem to not to and they overlook lots of the good stuff he does

    I know for a fact it's water off a ducks back with all the criticism he gets and he even has a good laugh at his own nickname


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    amiable wrote: »
    Warnock is still the boss and has done a great job at QPR so far IMO

    When he took over he steered them away from relegation worries.

    In his first full year he got them promoted as champions playing good football.

    As i said in my earlier post if Traore didn't want to play for someone like Warnock he didn't have to.
    Not the first time Warnock done it and i'd doubt it will be his last.

    People don't like as you seem to not to and they overlook lots of the good stuff he does

    I know for a fact it's water off a ducks back with all the criticism he gets and he even has a good laugh at his own nickname

    Not a single thing you just wrote invalidates the fact that it is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Not a single thing you just wrote invalidates the fact that it is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public.
    Its nothing to do with whether Traore is a grown man. Fact is that no manager should ever humiliate their player like that in public. Hell, forget football, show me a manager in any industry who denigrates their own staff in public and I will show you a crap manager.

    Warnock can think he is a disgrace all he wants, but Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, none of the top managers would ever have done that to their own player, because it is a complete breach of trust.
    I just showed you that he is a good manager


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    amiable wrote: »
    Warnock is still the boss and has done a great job at QPR so far IMO

    When he took over he steered them away from relegation worries.

    In his first full year he got them promoted as champions playing good football.

    As i said in my earlier post if Traore didn't want to play for someone like Warnock he didn't have to.
    Not the first time Warnock done it and i'd doubt it will be his last.

    People don't like as you seem to not to and they overlook lots of the good stuff he does

    I know for a fact it's water off a ducks back with all the criticism he gets and he even has a good laugh at his own nickname

    Not a single thing you just wrote invalidates the fact that it is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public.
    Didn't king kenny do it to johnson last year? Or maybe it was hodgson, either way, it worked and he seemed to take it on the chin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    amiable wrote: »
    I just showed you that he is a good manager

    No, all you showed was that you think he is a good manager, and whether you think he is a good manager or not does not change the fact that it is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public.

    Did Daglish do it too? I don't really care. Harry Redknapp did it, and look how well the goal scoring machine Darren Bent did for him.

    How is this even open to debate? Look at the quote;
    "I just thought he was a disgrace," said Warnock. "I will fine him as much as I possibly can.
    What exactly did he think it would achieve saying this to the cameras that he wouldn't achieve saying it to the player behind closed doors? It gained the club nothing, except to publicly humiliate one of its staff. Just because Warnock got the richest club in the championship promoted doesn't change that fact one little bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    DOC09UNAM wrote: »
    Didn't king kenny do it to johnson last year? Or maybe it was hodgson, either way, it worked and he seemed to take it on the chin.

    Explain what you mean by "it worked"? Are you saying that Johnson increased performance because his manager publicly slated him, whereas he wouldn't have increased performance if he had only received that criticism behind closed doors?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Explain what you mean by "it worked"? Are you saying that Johnson increased performance because his manager publicly slated him, whereas he wouldn't have increased performance if he had only received that criticism behind closed doors?
    He did actually. He threw his toys out of the pram at first and then knuckled down and improved his form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    No, all you showed was that you think he is a good manager, and whether you think he is a good manager or not does not change the fact that it is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public.

    Did Daglish do it too? I don't really care. Harry Redknapp did it, and look how well the goal scoring machine Darren Bent did for him.

    How is this even open to debate? Look at the quote;

    What exactly did he think it would achieve saying this to the cameras that he wouldn't achieve saying it to the player behind closed doors? It gained the club nothing, except to publicly humiliate one of its staff. Just because Warnock got the richest club in the championship promoted doesn't change that fact one little bit.
    I don't really care? Fair enough. What you want is for people to just agree with you and discussion to end.

    I've shown that what Warnock has done since he took over at QPR is very good as a manager.
    You've shown nothing except you think he's an awful manager.

    He's done it several times to Taarabt and got better results out of the player than a couple of Spurs managers could get out of him.

    He had a go at Jamie Mackie too and it worked


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Any manager that does an interview from his patio out his back garden should be shot with balls of their own Shiite .

    Is that a step up or a step down from their car window?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Same old Warnock. Blames everyone else for his problems. I detest him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    DOC09UNAM wrote: »
    Didn't king kenny do it to johnson last year? Or maybe it was hodgson, either way, it worked and he seemed to take it on the chin.

    Just on this point, I have been searching for any quote by Daglish about Johnson to compare the situation, and I cannot find this critical quote you mention. Do you have a link to it?
    amiable wrote: »
    He did actually. He threw his toys out of the pram at first and then knuckled down and improved his form.

    What did Daglish say about Johnson?

    And with all due respect, it is easy for you to say that he did improve, being as it would be convenient if it were to be the case. Not to mention that you have no objective way of confirming if private criticism would have had just the same effect or even more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Wasn't it Woy who cwiticized Johnson?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Wasn't it Woy who cwiticized Johnson?
    Yeah I put in both because I wasn't completely sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Wasn't it Woy who cwiticized Johnson?

    I'm pretty sure it was Hodgson who said something along the lines of ''Johnson's not playing like you'd expect the England RB to''

    EDIT: Thats the quote there
    ''He's the England right-back and if he plays like that one would expect him to come back in. But then he'd have to play like the England right-back and up to now, to be quite frank, he's not performed – very often at least – to the level I'd expect of him.

    "You would have to ask him the question: 'Do you think you're playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?' If he says yes obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you'd have to ask the question: 'Why not?'"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/13/glen-johnson-liverpool-roy-hodgson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Having found the comments, you cannot think they are the same situation.

    There is no way this:

    is nearly as bad as:
    "I just thought he was a disgrace," said Warnock. "I will fine him as much as I possibly can.

    Not in a million years is Hodgsons comment as bad as Warnocks. Hodgson was clearly going for some reverse psychology, implying that Johnson could be the best in the country. Warnocks was simply blunt, vicious and personal.

    And whats this? It appears Johnsons performances may not have improved??? In fact;

    So even though Hodgsons was nowhere near as personal, Glen Johnson still felt aggrieved. And whats this? It seems even Roy Hodgson realised that it may have been the wrong thing to do, in fact he even apologised for the remarks;

    I wonder will Warnock apologise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    efb wrote: »
    I think Neil Warnock's comments on the EPL's youngest ref were disgusting, trying to intimidate and undermine him.

    Sure it was 'only' a shirt pull but the AV player went down and technically its a foul. So it can be justifiably a (soft) penalty.

    Both his shouts for peno's were ball-to-hand so no nice.

    And Traore could have gotten a straight red.

    He'll take his fine I'm sure, but I hope it doesn't ruin that young ref's confidence.

    I know Warnock has previous, but i thought this was very underhand.
    efb wrote: »
    That's called covering his ass.

    It's like Older players nurture younger players young refs have to be nurtured also

    OP, Would I be correct in deducting that you're a Ref?

    1. It's nothing new to see a manager slate a Ref
    2. It's not a managers responsibility to nurture a ref

    Warnock isn't the nicest bloke around, but i'm not in favour of managers nurturing refs or football being neutered!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Having found the comments, you cannot think they are the same situation.

    There is no way this:


    is nearly as bad as:


    Not in a million years is Hodgsons comment as bad as Warnocks. Hodgson was clearly going for some reverse psychology, implying that Johnson could be the best in the country. Warnocks was simply blunt, vicious and personal.

    And whats this? It appears Johnsons performances may not have improved??? In fact;


    So even though Hodgsons was nowhere near as personal, Glen Johnson still felt aggrieved. And whats this? It seems even Roy Hodgson realised that it may have been the wrong thing to do, in fact he even apologised for the remarks;


    I wonder will Warnock apologise?
    You haven't proved he has done a bad job as manager of QPR

    I showed you examples of him doing it before to other players and it worked.

    It's his style of management and it works for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    amiable wrote: »
    You haven't proved he has done a bad job as manager of QPR

    I showed you examples of him doing it before to other players and it worked.

    It's his style of management and it works for him.

    But he's not being nice :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    amiable wrote: »
    You haven't proved he has done a bad job as manager of QPR
    I didn't enter this thread to critique his job as a manager, thats all in your head. My point was that it was totally inappropriate to lambast his own player the way he did. Here you are, for the third time. It is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public. Did you miss that the first two times?
    I showed you examples of him doing it before to other players and it worked.
    No you didn't, you just said he did it before and it worked. You have shown nothing. I have shown evidence of players being upset at similar incidents, you have shown nothing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    I didn't enter this thread to critique his job as a manager, thats all in your head. My point was that it was totally inappropriate to lambast his own player the way he did. Here you are, for the third time. It is extremely bad form for a manger to denigrate his own player in public. Did you miss that the first two times?


    No you didn't, you just said he did it before and it worked. You have shown nothing. I have shown evidence of players being upset at similar incidents, you have shown nothing.
    FFS Warnock has done it countless times.

    So you just came on to have a go.
    Well done. Now cheerio.

    The fookin dogs on the street have heard him having a go at several of his players


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Managers down the years have slated their own players, not new.

    Porterfield, when at Chelsea publicly said Beasant would never play for the Blues again after he had a meltdown against (?) Norwich. If thats not belittling someone, 'Arry sayin his missus could have scored the header Bent missed is not going to do his confidence much good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    amiable wrote: »
    FFS Warnock has done it countless times.

    So you just came on to have a go.
    Well done. Now cheerio.

    The fookin dogs on the street have heard him having a go at several of his players

    I don't live on the street.

    What you fail to understand is that even if (a fact you still have not shown any evidence for) Warnock does it regularly, that still does not mean it is a good thing to do. Why is this so hard for you to understand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    I don't live on the street.

    What you fail to understand is that even if (a fact you still have not shown any evidence for) Warnock does it regularly, that still does not mean it is a good thing to do. Why is this so hard for you to understand.
    What you don't seem to understand is that he has done and it's worked.
    Why is that so hard to understand?

    I never suggested you live on a street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    ajcurry123 wrote: »
    OP, Would I be correct in deducting that you're a Ref?

    1. It's nothing new to see a manager slate a Ref
    2. It's not a managers responsibility to nurture a ref

    Warnock isn't the nicest bloke around, but i'm not in favour of managers nurturing refs or football being neutered!

    Not a soccer ref, no.

    Managers can't be allowed scapegoat refs for their own team's failings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    efb wrote: »
    Not a soccer ref, no.

    Managers can't be allowed scapegoat refs for their own team's failings.
    But another Referee was on Sky yesterday and said Oliver got at least 2 decisions very wrong.

    That's potentially a 2 goal sway.

    Scapegoat my arse. I think you are letting your feelings for Warnock cloud your judgement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    amiable wrote: »
    But another Referee was on Sky yesterday and said Oliver got at least 2 decisions very wrong.

    That's potentially a 2 goal sway.

    Scapegoat my arse. I think you are letting your feelings for Warnock cloud your judgement.
    Gallgher- that guy loves the sound of his own voice- if he only got 2 decisions wrong in a match it would be a v good day for him!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    efb wrote: »
    Gallgher- that guy loves the sound of his own voice- if he only got 2 decisions wrong in a match it would be a v good day for him!
    You missed the point. He knows the laws inside and said the referee in question got big decisions wrong.

    Referees are professionals now and if they are not doint their job correctly they can be held to account just like anyone else.

    If Warnock or any other manager doesn't do their job correctly they are asked to explain why and are subject to criticism in the press, from fans and forums.


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