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Che Guevara Statue In Galway

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  • #302
    Happy Monday
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    johngalway wrote: »
    LMFAO. Methinks the hippy is on the 'shrooms tonight.

    George Washington, Michael Collins and Nelson Mandela would all have been condemned as fanatics in their own time by ruling powers.

    Equally, Che Lynch would have been viewed in the same light.
    Erect the statute. This is not Vietnam. You can't carpet bomb Galway.


  • #303
    smokedeels
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    Does anyone over the age of 18 think this guy was anything but a bigoted lunatic?

    He's an interesting character and a good looking lad but his views and Cuba in general are at odds with the freedoms we should be striving for and celebrating in Europe.

    I've seen people protest with his face on their t-shirts, if they tried that in the Cuba he helped build they would be arrested.


  • #304
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    Happy Monday wrote: »
    George Washington, Michael Collins and Nelson Mandela would all have been condemned as fanatics in their own time by ruling powers.

    Equally, Che Lynch would have been viewed in the same light.
    Erect the statute. This is not Vietnam. You can't carpet bomb Galway.

    You don't see the irony of listing three democratic figures to fail to prove a point regarding a communist then?


  • #305
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    johngalway wrote: »
    You don't see the irony of listing three democratic figures to fail to prove a point regarding a communist then?

    Collins was no democrat.
    The Easter Rising was conducted against the wishes of the Irish people.
    Collins served as a captain in the GPO.
    His actions served to bring a greater freedom.


  • #306
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    Happy Monday wrote: »
    His actions served to bring a greater freedom.

    :pac:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3GnWTy8Ebg


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3GnWTy8Ebg


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  • #307
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    johngalway wrote: »
    :pac:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3GnWTy8Ebg


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3GnWTy8Ebg

    ? - wtf? - is that Ronnie Reagan.
    The Irishman who changed his name and religion.
    Give me an t-Uaiseal Che Lynch - a man proud of his Irish roots.


  • #308
    Wompa1
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    I was talking to a guy over in the states today about it. He's in his 70's and is of Irish heritage but hasn't ever claimed to being Irish. His reaction was pfffftt..doesn't really matter but it might upset a lot of Cuban families. There's a large Cuban population here and an even bigger one in Florida. I'd imagine it makes sense for a Florida politician to declare outrage whether he cares or not, since it equals a lot of votes from the Cuban population.

    Most Americans won't know and won't care that Galway is putting up the statue because Galway is irrelevant to them.


  • #309
    fishy fishy
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    smokedeels wrote: »
    Does anyone over the age of 18 think this guy was anything but a bigoted lunatic?

    He's an interesting character and a good looking lad but his views and Cuba in general are at odds with the freedoms we should be striving for and celebrating in Europe.

    I've seen people protest with his face on their t-shirts, if they tried that in the Cuba he helped build they would be arrested.

    where do you get that logic from? :D is probably one of the funnier posts on here.


  • #310
    smokedeels
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    smokedeels wrote: »
    Does anyone over the age of 18 think this guy was anything but a bigoted lunatic?

    He's an interesting character and a good looking lad but his views and Cuba in general are at odds with the freedoms we should be striving for and celebrating in Europe.

    I've seen people protest with his face on their t-shirts, if they tried that in the Cuba he helped build they would be arrested.

    where do you get that logic from? :D is probably one of the funnier posts on here.

    Trying something like occupy damestreet in Cuba would get you locked up. I know first hand that people involved in that movement support Cuba over America, I know which one I consider free, warts and all.


  • #311
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    johngalway wrote: »
    LMFAO. Methinks the hippy is on the 'shrooms tonight.

    I don't do drugs, so I guess you and your cohorts will have to find another tired & lazy assed cliche to dismiss those who don't tread your particular path of self righteous knee jerkery.


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  • #312
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    Happy Monday wrote: »
    Collins was no democrat.
    The Easter Rising was conducted against the wishes of the Irish people.
    Collins served as a captain in the GPO.
    His actions served to bring a greater freedom.

    Sure he was a democrat, So was Dev. ,I didn't see them building a dictatorship after the war of Independence.

    ( cue nonsense about the Church being as bad as Stalin, or something).


  • #313
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    smokedeels wrote: »
    Trying something like occupy damestreet in Cuba would get you locked up. I know first hand that people involved in that movement support Cuba over America, I know which one I consider free, warts and all.

    confused.com


  • #314
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    What Che was when he was alive is of no relation to the Cuba that exists today.


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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    confused.com
    fishy fishy wrote: »
    where do you get that logic from? :D is probably one of the funnier posts on here.

    You've been confused twice by utterly simple sentences? Both posters were pointing out that protesting in Cuba isn't all that safe.

    ( Although, to be fair, it isn't quite North Korea).


  • #316
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Sure he was a democrat, So was Dev. ,I didn't see them building a dictatorship after the war of Independence.

    ( cue nonsense about the Church being as bad as Stalin, or something).

    Of course we had a dictatorship. We were used to injustice and being enslaved, which is why we chained ourselves to the evil auspices of the RCC. As a nation of victims, beaten abused and oppressed, we moved to the next father figure for more of the same. From the workhouses in famine times to the laundries in "independence", we learnt how to suffer and have our dreams crushed.

    Eventually, we let our saviours, Fianna Fail and their cohorts take our money and our future and pimp us (Shannon Airport) out to their American friends all in the name of "freedom". Oh, the irony.

    Che is a fecking god compared to what we've had in this beleagured land. He should be gold plated and venerated!


  • #317
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Of course we had a dictatorship. We were used to injustice and being enslaved, which is why we chained ourselves to the evil auspices of the RCC. As a nation of victims, beaten abused and oppressed, we moved to the next father figure for more of the same. From the workhouses in famine times to the laundries in "independence", we learnt how to suffer and have our dreams crushed.

    Nonsense, the laundries were appalling but nothing compared to a dictatorship. And we didn't have a dictatorship, we voted in whom we wanted to.
    Eventually, we let our saviours, Fianna Fail and their cohorts take our money and our future and pimp us (Shannon Airport) out to their American friends all in the name of "freedom". Oh, the irony.

    Yet, again, an elected government did this.. Many of us believed that Shannon should be used by the US. I think we should be in NATO, ahtough the Iraq war was nonsense.
    Che is a fecking god compared to what we've had in this beleagured land. He should be gold plated and venerated!

    He was a mass murderer, a torturer, and an apologist for Stalinism and Stalinist Imperialists. What we had ( and have) was a walk in the park with balloons compared to anything that ever happened in any communist hellhole, and we had, at any time, the chance to change whatever we want, or leave the Island legally. Unlike Cubans who cant. Or unlike cubans who cant write freely or anonymously on the internet. Like. You. Can.

    the love of Stalinism is negatively proportional to the distance from it, you won't be emigrating to North Korea or Cuba, just hypocritically whining about democracies from the safety of democracies. I hated that ****e as a kid in the 80's and I hate it now.


  • #318
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    General Zod wrote: »
    What Che was when he was alive is of no relation to the Cuba that exists today.

    He certainly didn't help in the invasion of Cuba with the intention of creating and autocratic dictatorship. In fact, he entered simply as a medic.

    The fighting done all sorts of strange things to him, but, he was never happy with the way Castro took the country. He didn't sit around enjoying the spoils.

    By all accounts the man was a workaholic, he despised laziness. He spent from 59 to 64 travelling the world as an international diplomat, then, through boredom or disgust with Castro, went to the Congo to sit in bushes with a gun again, and then on to Bolivia were he met his end.

    Really bugs the **** out of me the way the Right are trying to misrepresent him into the history books. I'll fight it tooth and nail.

    And never forget this, If he was a right wing freedom fighter he would be the god of them. They simply despise anyone who dares defy the Washington ideological framework.


  • #319
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    RichieC wrote: »
    He certainly didn't help in the invasion of Cuba with the intention of creating and autocratic dictatorship. In fact, he entered simply as a medic.

    The fighting done all sorts of strange things to him, but, he was never happy with the way Castro took the country. He didn't sit around enjoying the spoils.

    By all accounts the man was a workaholic, he despised laziness. He spent from 59 to 64 travelling the world as an international diplomat, then, through boredom or disgust with Castro, went to the Congo to sit in bushes with a gun again, and then on to Bolivia were he met his end.

    Really bugs the **** out of me the way the Right are trying to misrepresent him into the history books. I'll fight it tooth and nail.

    And never forget this, If he was a right wing freedom fighter he would be the god of them. They simply despise anyone who dares defy the Washington ideological framework.

    And you would oppose him equally?


  • #320
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    czx wrote: »
    And you would oppose him equally?

    I would certainly oppose his ideology, yes. implicit in my statement, I thought.


  • #321
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    RichieC wrote: »
    I would certainly oppose his ideology, yes. implicit in my statement, I thought.

    His methods. A right wing Che


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  • #322
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    booboo88 wrote: »
    Is gonna erect itself is it?

    That's what I said to your ma


  • #323
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    You've been confused twice by utterly simple sentences? Both posters were pointing out that protesting in Cuba isn't all that safe.

    ( Although, to be fair, it isn't quite North Korea).

    a tad confused there duggy? there was only one poster - the details in said posters ramblings makes it evident that he/she is writing "blind",i.e. has no idea what they are talking about, purely re-hashing something that he/she ha heard before from somebody that also has no idea what they are talking about.

    It's a pity more people doesn't really know more about Cuba, instead of pretending they do.


  • #324
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    czx wrote: »
    His methods. A right wing Che

    He would be rather mild for a right wing "revolutionary" ( lol oxymoron)


  • #325
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    It's a pity more people doesn't really know more about Cuba, instead of pretending they do.
    How did you like it yourself? Quite hot in the summer eh?


  • #326
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    RichieC wrote: »
    He would be rather mild for a right wing "revolutionary" ( lol oxymoron)

    mild as in acceptable?


  • #327
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    biko wrote: »
    How did you like it yourself? Quite hot in the summer eh?

    i wouldn't go in the summer - November or December are my preferred months - maybe you prefer june/July eh Biko?


  • #328
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    He was a mass murderer, a torturer, and an apologist for Stalinism and Stalinist Imperialists. What we had ( and have) was a walk in the park with balloons compared to anything that ever happened in any communist hellhole, and we had, at any time, the chance to change whatever we want, or leave the Island legally. Unlike Cubans who cant. Or unlike cubans who cant write freely or anonymously on the internet. Like. You. Can.

    the love of Stalinism is negatively proportional to the distance from it, you won't be emigrating to North Korea or Cuba, just hypocritically whining about democracies from the safety of democracies. I hated that ****e as a kid in the 80's and I hate it now.

    He originally loved stalinism. But after Cuba when completely communist and he saw the mess that it was making he turned away. He flirted with maoism and other communist ideologies in an effort to find one that would work in cuba or other third world countries. He would have despised North Korea.

    Remember, communism itself isn't inherently evil. It was the application and the people who applied it that made it evil. I don't know if it would be possible to create a perfect socialist society. Plenty of people have written about it like huxley, but that's what Che was fighting for, not stalinism.


  • #329
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    i wouldn't go in the summer - November or December are my preferred months - maybe you prefer june/July eh Biko?

    isn't that the rainy season? Or is that Sept/Oct?


  • #330
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    Grayson wrote: »
    isn't that the rainy season? Or is that Sept/Oct?

    june/November is hurricane season - to each his own :D


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  • #331
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    june/November is hurricane season - to each his own :D

    I was in the Caribbean in October one year. Lovely weather. Rained for two hours every day like clockwork. Lovely warm rain. The rest of the time it was a scorcher. :)


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