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What happened in Kandahar?

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  • #32
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    humanji wrote: »
    The mere fact that your only way of defending your argument is to try and belittle those who disagree with you pretty much somes it all up.

    It's really quite simple:

    Have atrocities happened? Yes.
    Has every US soldier commited an atrocity? No.
    Should all US soldiers be executed anyway? Of course not. It's insane to think they should. It's just as insane as it is for the soldier(s) responsible for what happened in Kanahar to think it's ok to go and shoot civilians. Or just as insane as it is to strap explosives to yourself and blow up a load of people.

    Ah here, now you're just prevaricating. To get one thing straight I never advocated that all American soldiers should be executed. There's a big difference.

    And see how you tree to bleach the truth with your wordplay?
    "Have attrocities happened?" .... that kind of language nauseates me. It truly is the realm of cowards like Hillary Clinton and most other mouthpieces in Washington. You couldn't even bring yourself to ask the question in its true and proper form, i.e.

    "Have American Forces committed multiple atrocities and acts of barbarism?" YES!!

    Kinda shows things in a different light to the sanitised newspeak that you use.

    I see this kind of mealy-mouthed rhetoric all the time when politicians have to explain away an act of wanton brutality or a arrogant and hamfisted operation that has resulted in civilian deaths. You get the bland "mistakes were made" platitude. They can't even say who made the mistakes or who was responsible. That would take political courage and a good dose of moral fibre....attributes that are in short supply these days.

    But back to the point. Technically all US soldiers serving in Iraq or Afghanistan are war criminals. Now I don't give a toss about the pen pusher in the base who heard a rumour that some psycho machine gunned a bunch of market vendors just for fun. He's a war criminal for not doing anything about it but since the woluld be killer is never going to be tried or even punished then it's fantasy to think anything would happen to the pen pusher.
    So I don't know where you got this " should be executed for war crimes" mumbo jumbo. I stated that I welcomed attacks on the occupation forces after what they have routinely done.
    And if some security guard walks in and blows the pen-pusher's head off in a rage against Koran burnings or the rape of schoolgirls then I won't shed a tear.


  • #33
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Ah here, now you're just prevaricating. To get one thing straight I never advocated that all American soldiers should be executed. There's a big difference.
    Your exact words: "I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do." Now, how does that differentiate between those who have commited crimes against humanity and those who haven't?

    You can dance around the subject as much as you like.
    And see how you tree to bleach the truth with your wordplay?
    "Have attrocities happened?" .... that kind of language nauseates me. It truly is the realm of cowards like Hillary Clinton and most other mouthpieces in Washington. You couldn't even bring yourself to ask the question in its true and proper form, i.e.

    "Have American Forces committed multiple atrocities and acts of barbarism?" YES!!

    Kinda shows things in a different light to the sanitised newspeak that you use.

    I see this kind of mealy-mouthed rhetoric all the time when politicians have to explain away an act of wanton brutality or a arrogant and hamfisted operation that has resulted in civilian deaths. You get the bland "mistakes were made" platitude. They can't even say who made the mistakes or who was responsible. That would take political courage and a good dose of moral fibre....attributes that are in short supply these days.
    I'm not trying to bleach anything. Again, you can't argue the point so you're building a strawman to fight instead.
    But back to the point. Technically all US soldiers serving in Iraq or Afghanistan are war criminals.

    Technically, they are not.
    Now I don't give a toss about the pen pusher in the base who heard a rumour that some psycho machine gunned a bunch of market vendors just for fun. He's a war criminal for not doing anything about it but since the woluld be killer is never going to be tried or even punished then it's fantasy to think anything would happen to the pen pusher.
    So I don't know where you got this " should be executed for war crimes" mumbo jumbo. I stated that I welcomed attacks on the occupation forces after what they have routinely done.
    And if some security guard walks in and blows the pen-pusher's head off in a rage against Koran burnings or the rape of schoolgirls then I won't shed a tear.
    No, you'll celebrate. Just like I'm sure some people celebrated when when they heard about this massacre. Or when planes were flown into the twin towers. Or when the Omagh bomb went off. Or during any other horrific act perpetrated by people throughout history. Right now, the only differnce between you and the guy(s) who shot those people was they don't seem to be trying to justify it.

    Me, on the other hand, would prefer the guilty be punished instead of hoping that anyone loosely associated gets their head blown off.


  • #34
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    humanji wrote: »
    Your exact words: "I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do." Now, how does that differentiate between those who have commited crimes against humanity and those who haven't?

    You can dance around the subject as much as you like.


    I'm not trying to bleach anything. Again, you can't argue the point so you're building a strawman to fight instead.


    Technically, they are not.


    No, you'll celebrate. Just like I'm sure some people celebrated when when they heard about this massacre. Or when planes were flown into the twin towers. Or when the Omagh bomb went off. Or during any other horrific act perpetrated by people throughout history. Right now, the only differnce between you and the guy(s) who shot those people was they don't seem to be trying to justify it.

    Me, on the other hand, would prefer the guilty be punished instead of hoping that anyone loosely associated gets their head blown off.


    How can you not be nauseated when hearing people giggle about death?

    Having heard this....I almost got sick.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d0_1331227076


  • #35
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    humanji wrote: »
    Your exact words: "I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do." Now, how does that differentiate between those who have commited crimes against humanity and those who haven't?

    You can dance around the subject as much as you like.


    I'm not trying to bleach anything. Again, you can't argue the point so you're building a strawman to fight instead.


    Technically, they are not.


    No, you'll celebrate. Just like I'm sure some people celebrated when when they heard about this massacre. Or when planes were flown into the twin towers. Or when the Omagh bomb went off. Or during any other horrific act perpetrated by people throughout history. Right now, the only differnce between you and the guy(s) who shot those people was they don't seem to be trying to justify it.

    Me, on the other hand, would prefer the guilty be punished instead of hoping that anyone loosely associated gets their head blown off.

    When the Omagh bomb went off, I was embraced by owners of an Indian restaurant in Antwerp as my eyes filled with water. The day prior they said to me that things seemed to be going well in Ireland.

    How DARE you even suggest or allude to the fact that I may have some kind of sympathy with such an act of barbarism.

    But I'll tell you one very simple thing, and it's this .... the CIRA or RIRA or PIRA or any other permutation of the effing alphabet have never raped a child like your glorious US gang of thugs. They've never marched into a house in the dead of night, butchered 9 children and 6 mothers and then arranged them all in a pyre and then be spirited away to a comfy hotel room 10,000 miles away.


  • #36
    clever_name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭clever_name


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    How can you not be nauseated when hearing people giggle about death?

    Having heard this....I almost got sick.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d0_1331227076

    Yeah people being glib about death is a bit sick.
    jackiebaron wrote: »

    I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do...and then cowardly try to explain it away, it's revolting.
    jackiebaron wrote: »
    And if some security guard walks in and blows the pen-pusher's head off in a rage against Koran burnings or the rape of schoolgirls then I won't shed a tear.


    As for the following, let me say one thing;
    jackiebaron wrote: »
    When the Omagh bomb went off, I was embraced by owners of an Indian restaurant in Antwerp as my eyes filled with water. The day prior they said to me that things seemed to be going well in Ireland.

    How DARE you even suggest or allude to the fact that I may have some kind of sympathy with such an act of barbarism.

    If you were in the same restaurant and a news report announced the deaths of 30 US soldiers you, by your own admission, would feel joy, something you "worship" had happened. That discordance, intentional or not, is very strange to me.

    I can not imagine what its like to have to listen to a news report and have to wait to hear the nationality of people involved before deciding if a death is good or bad news.


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  • #37
    jackiebaron
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    clever_name wrote: »
    Yeah people being glib about death is a bit sick.






    As for the following, let me say one thing;



    If you were in the same restaurant and a news report announced the deaths of 30 US soldiers you, by your own admission, would feel joy, something you "worship" had happened. That discordance, intentional or not, is very strange to me.

    I can not imagine what its like to have to listen to a news report and have to wait to hear the nationality of people involved before deciding if a death is good or bad news.

    The Omagh bomb massacred innocent men women and children. If the Omagh bomb happened a week after bloody sunday and killed a few dozen parachute regiment thugs then yes I would probably be quite unsympathetic about it. Likewise about US Marine Corps savages who "light up" villages for kicks and then get blown to atoms in a IED attack.

    And according to Hamid Karzai this massacre is just one of SEVERAL HUNDRED.
    That's an awful lot of "isolated incidents" and "bad apples"

    This massacre and its subsequent coverup is one massive and callous conspiracy. Read it for yourself:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30922.htm


  • #38
    clever_name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭clever_name


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    The Omagh bomb massacred innocent men women and children. If the Omagh bomb happened a week after bloody sunday and killed a few dozen parachute regiment thugs then yes I would probably be quite unsympathetic about it. Likewise about US Marine Corps savages who "light up" villages for kicks and then get blown to atoms in a IED attack.

    Can you clear something up please, are you trying to distance yourself from the initial comment; you have moved from "worshiping" the deaths to being "probably quite unsympathetic".

    Also the outrage expressed in the following does not ring true,
    jackiebaron wrote: »

    How DARE you even suggest or allude to the fact that I may have some kind of sympathy with such an act of barbarism.

    You have basically now stated that you have no problem with an "act of barbarism" once the right people get killed. I find it sad that you have used the word savage to describe others while expressing opinions such as these.

    like I said I cant imagine what its like to have to listen to a news report and have to wait to hear the nationality of people involved before deciding if a death is good or bad news.


  • #39
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    clever_name wrote: »
    Can you clear something up please, are you trying to distance yourself from the initial comment; you have moved from "worshiping" the deaths to being "probably quite unsympathetic".

    Also the outrage expressed in the following does not ring true,



    You have basically now stated that you have no problem with an "act of barbarism" once the right people get killed. I find it sad that you have used the word savage to describe others while expressing opinions such as these.

    like I said I cant imagine what its like to have to listen to a news report and have to wait to hear the nationality of people involved before deciding if a death is good or bad news.

    Clever_name, I'll give you that. When first I used the term worship I was typing with angry fingers. But I'll stand by my assertion that while attacks on US forces don't bring me glee and euphoria I am certainly pleased when they occur. Much the same as I am pleased when a schoolyard bully meets his Waterloo at the hands of a smaller and underestimated victim or when any miscreant be he a rapist, wife-beater or neighbourhood racketeer meet a violent demise. In the latter cases I would champion the judicial system to deal with the transgressor. I am no supporter of mob rule. But in Afghanistan no such protection or assurance can be given to the simple people who have been wronged so often. No US soldier who rapes or maims or murders or steals will face any kind of legal punishment and this has been demonstrated ad infinitum to the Afghan people. Consequently they should only expect retribution in the form of death and dismemberment for their thuggery.

    Here's another article for you to read. I urge you to read it and see just how pitiless, racist and arrogant US troops are in their colonial outposts. They well and truly see the Afghan people as Untermenschen.

    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/gary-leupp/42236/familiarity-breeds-contempt-the-crisis-of-incompatibility-in-afghanistan


  • #40
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    humanji wrote: »
    Your exact words: "I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do." Now, how does that differentiate between those who have commited crimes against humanity and those who haven't?


    Me, on the other hand, would prefer the guilty be punished instead of hoping that anyone loosely associated gets their head blown off.


    But he said that after the video with graphic images, skinned face's, brain's pulled out by hand, shot 16 year old boy, etc, matter of perspective how you interpret his words, I don't think as you argued earlier that a medic who never shot a gun in war could have done any of these acts, so I can't see how his words can be read:
    "I worship the day when every single American get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them American soldiers do", like your IRA analogy seemed to suggest he said.

    I took it as Jackie saying the guilty soldiers.


  • #41
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    humanji wrote: »
    Your exact words: "I worship the day when American soldiers get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them do." Now, how does that differentiate between those who have commited crimes against humanity and those who haven't?

    You can dance around the subject as much as you like.


    I'm not trying to bleach anything. Again, you can't argue the point so you're building a strawman to fight instead.


    Technically, they are not.


    No, you'll celebrate. Just like I'm sure some people celebrated when when they heard about this massacre. Or when planes were flown into the twin towers. Or when the Omagh bomb went off. Or during any other horrific act perpetrated by people throughout history. Right now, the only differnce between you and the guy(s) who shot those people was they don't seem to be trying to justify it.

    Me, on the other hand, would prefer the guilty be punished instead of hoping that anyone loosely associated gets their head blown off.

    And therein lies the problem. It seems to have escaped your attention that the hundreds, if not thousands, of atrocities and war crimes committed by US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq are NEVER punished. NEVER. This shows a blatant disregard for the value of the rights or even the lives of these Afghan people that the Americans büll**** on about being so eager to help.
    A gang of ignorant swaggering assholes in a humvee take pot shots at a farmer's cattle, just for fun, obliterating his entire livelihood and they will never be brought to book. In the clear absence of justice the only recourse is retribution.
    Furthermore, if so many of these US forces are upstanding and moral then why the hell aren't they disciplining or even killing the so-called loose cannons that put all of their lives in danger with their displays of brutality? If a nephew of yours was clearly stoking up trouble and causing your house to be vandalised or your kids to be attacked in response to his büll**** would you plead with the recipients of his harassment or would you knock some fücking sense into the prick?


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  • #42
    jackiebaron
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    Perhaps a little satire would help:

    2012-03-26.jpg


  • #43
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    humanji wrote: »
    Technically, they are not.


    Technically they ARE.

    Any participant in the supreme international crime, i.e. a war of aggression, under the Nuremberg Charter, is a war criminal. You accuse me of dancing around yet the fact that participants in this war are war criminals is indisputable and you cannot deny it. It codified in the LAW.

    I might also remind you that according to to the US Constitution, any treaties entered into are to be the "Supreme Law of the Land".

    I'll spell that out for you. The Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg Charter SUPERSEDE the US Constitution.

    Ill-treatment of civilians is a war crime. Now, while pushing around a few guys at a checkpoint or getting Muslim kids to chant "I love pork" may be petty, nasty and distastefully immature, it still constitutes a war crime. You have denied it and you are wrong.

    Do your homework humanji.


  • #44
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Jesus F. Christ....I just saw the most pathetic report on CNN of a "brave soldier" who lost his life "trying to save a little Afghan girl"

    Just to take the edge off the latest in hundreds of slaughters and one that is inconveniently rising to the surface.

    The audacity of these gobshïtes. They expect us to even entertain the thoughts of such crap and Wolf Blitzer is there puking "our thoughts are with the family of that brave serviceman".

    They won't make the same mistake that they made with the Jessica Lynch farce though. Just report some crap and leave it at that.

    Fücking dullards!


  • #45
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    How can you not be nauseated when hearing people giggle about death?

    Having heard this....I almost got sick.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d0_1331227076

    Who said I wasn't?
    jackiebaron wrote: »
    When the Omagh bomb went off, I was embraced by owners of an Indian restaurant in Antwerp as my eyes filled with water. The day prior they said to me that things seemed to be going well in Ireland.
    What has that got to do with what I said?
    How DARE you even suggest or allude to the fact that I may have some kind of sympathy with such an act of barbarism.

    I simply pointed out that your celebration of the deaths of people is no different to others celebrating the deaths of people. You and the IRA both justify it to yourselves, but you're both still wrong.
    But I'll tell you one very simple thing, and it's this .... the CIRA or RIRA or PIRA or any other permutation of the effing alphabet have never raped a child like your glorious US gang of thugs. They've never marched into a house in the dead of night, butchered 9 children and 6 mothers and then arranged them all in a pyre and then be spirited away to a comfy hotel room 10,000 miles away.

    And everyone in the US army has done all those things? Oh no I forgot, they're merely guilty by association and their deaths should be celebrate.
    stuar wrote: »
    But he said that after the video with graphic images, skinned face's, brain's pulled out by hand, shot 16 year old boy, etc, matter of perspective how you interpret his words, I don't think as you argued earlier that a medic who never shot a gun in war could have done any of these acts, so I can't see how his words can be read:
    "I worship the day when every single American get attacked and killed. After what I've seen them American soldiers do", like your IRA analogy seemed to suggest he said.

    I took it as Jackie saying the guilty soldiers.
    Well that's not what he said. And he reintereated that they're all guilty.

    jackiebaron wrote:
    And therein lies the problem. It seems to have escaped your attention that the hundreds, if not thousands, of atrocities and war crimes committed by US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq are NEVER punished.

    It hasn't escaped my attention. I simply don't hold the innocent as being guilty of the crimes of others. I also don't demand their deaths. That would lower me to their level.
    jackiebaron wrote:
    If a nephew of yours was clearly stoking up trouble and causing your house to be vandalised or your kids to be attacked in response to his büll**** would you plead with the recipients of his harassment or would you knock some fücking sense into the prick?
    By your logic, both you, your nephew and your kids should all be punished, as you're all related and therefore complicit in the crimes. What did you do to warrant such a punishment?
    jackiebaron wrote:
    Technically they ARE.

    Any participant in the supreme international crime, i.e. a war of aggression, under the Nuremberg Charter, is a war criminal. You accuse me of dancing around yet the fact that participants in this war are war criminals is indisputable and you cannot deny it. It codified in the LAW.

    I might also remind you that according to to the US Constitution, any treaties entered into are to be the "Supreme Law of the Land".

    I'll spell that out for you. The Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg Charter SUPERSEDE the US Constitution.

    Ill-treatment of civilians is a war crime. Now, while pushing around a few guys at a checkpoint or getting Muslim kids to chant "I love pork" may be petty, nasty and distastefully immature, it still constitutes a war crime. You have denied it and you are wrong.

    Do your homework humanji.

    I'll say it again, by your own admission it's an illegal war. Therefore it is not a valid war. Therefore no warcrime can be commited. What are being commited are crimes against humanity, which means both the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg charter don't come into affect, though many other charters do (but the US hasn't signed up to a great many of them).

    I'm not arguing that these other charters are being ignored. I'm not saying that atrocities aren't being commited. I'm saying that assuming that every US soldier is guilty by association to things they have no knowledge of is insane. I'm saying that assuming that all soldiers must have knowledge of these crimes is insane. And most importantly, I'm saying that deciding that one life is worth less than another is insane. Thinking that way puts you on the same level as those soldiers you're complaining about, the IRA, Al Quaeda and any other reprehensible group that have decided that life is theirs to take away.


  • #46
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    humanji wrote: »
    I'll say it again, by your own admission it's an illegal war. Therefore it is not a valid war. Therefore no warcrime can be commited. What are being commited are crimes against humanity, which means both the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg charter don't come into affect, though many other charters do (but the US hasn't signed up to a great many of them).
    so it's not a war, but an illegal war?

    is illegal war not a subset of war? seems a bit like an american excuse ...


  • #47
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    davoxx wrote: »
    so it's not a war, but an illegal war?

    is illegal war not a subset of war? seems a bit like an american excuse ...
    Not really. I know it sounds ridiculous, but wars have to be legally justified. A country can't just go to war for no reason (that's why the US had to pretend Iraq still had WMD's, for example). A lot of the times in recent history, these reasons have been frivolous, but no other country would really speak out against them as it would upset trade agreements (since it's usually the US that's involved in them).

    If a war isn't legal, then it isn't classified as a war, but an unsanctioned military action which would require action to stop by other countries (but nobody wants to get in the way of the US). War crimes only occur in legal wars. Otherwise they are classed as (in my opinion) the much worse "Crimes against Humanity", of which War Crimes are a subset.


  • #48
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    humanji wrote: »
    Not really. I know it sounds ridiculous, but wars have to be legally justified.
    that's okay, as long we agree it sounds ridiculous :D

    it is all legal crap that certain leaders like to dance around. international law is ignored when inconvenient and this leads to claims that a war is not a war when it's and invasion which is not an invasion but a liberation ...

    to be honest i get your point, but i disagree with it and the fundamental idea behind it, which the west hides behind while waving the flag of legal justice.

    it sickens me that people can't see the hypocrisy of saying torture is illegal and then allowing water boarding.

    i believe the term "war crime" relates to crimes committed by the military of a country or countries. but i can imagine a seedy lawyer arguing either way for the appropriate sum of money ...


  • #49
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Tell me who else at this moment in time is slaughtering civilians somewhere in the world. Better still tell me who else is systematically butchering innocents and then claiming to be bringing them aid and comfort and shelter and security and patting themselves on the back for being so filled with goodness and empathy and righteousness.
    Pick nearly any conflict on the planet

    Other examples of utter bastards are the Brits in Ireland and pretty much everywhere else in the world, the Italians in Libya (where they annihilated a full 30% of the male population) and Somalia, the Dutch in Indonesia, The French in Algeria and Indochina, The Japanese in Nanking and Burma, The Nazis all over Europe and Africa, the Belgians in Congo, the Turks in Armenia, to name but a few.....but that was all in the past and I can't recall reading any of them claiming that they were "helping" the victims of their murders. At least they had the decency to speak honestly.

    When Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds it was a despicable outrage. When Churchill did the exact same thing it was an "experiment" in "spreading a lively terror" as he despised the "squeamishness" of those who objected to using poisonous gas against "uncivilised tribes"
    Not that I'm Churchills biggest fan, but gor the sake of Brown Bomber and context, here's Churchills full quote (not that I've seen anyone here defending Churchills (unproven) use of gas)
    I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

    So you see I am fully aware of the massacres of the past (predominantly conducted by white western Europeans against people of colour) and am just as sickened by them.

    But right now it seems the Americans are the only ones conducting their own personal holocaust against Arabs, Paks and Pashtuns and they're telling suckers like you that they're really nice guys.

    Positively laughable.

    But don't take my word for it. Listen to this guy:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30913.htm

    This must be one of those holocausts where the population actually rises then is it?


    Also interesting to note your hypocrisy here


  • #50
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Child witnesses to Afghan massacre say Robert Bales was not alone

    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10927844-child-witnesses-to-afghan-massacre-say-robert-bales-was-not-alone


  • #51
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Brave cünts

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30942.htm


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