Monaghan United withdraw from LoI

LuckyLloyd · 18-06-2012 01:54PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Sometimes the clubs are their own worst enemies in all this.

No player in this league should be getting over a grand a week. That's madness. Have the clubs not got any sense. If a player looks for that sort of money the club should tell them where to go. Club survival is paramount.

It seems the majority of clubs have (and have always had) people involved in making operational decisions who are incapable of simple rational thought like the above. 'But this player could be the difference...'

It never ends.

super_furry · 18-06-2012 01:54PM

Last season it cost €19,000 to enter a team in the Airtricity Premier League and the 'prize money was as following.

1.€100,000
2.€45,000
3.€25,000
4.€15,000
5.€10,000
6.€7,500
7.€6,000
8.€5,000
9.€5,000
10.€5,000

Only the top three teams made their money back. It's no wonder Monaghan cited the entry fee as one of their main reasons, but it's all alright as long as that pisshead Delaney can pocket his €400,000 and throw a fee slabs of free beer around the place.

monkey9 · 18-06-2012 01:56PM

So when you get promoted, you can make a loss!!! Jaysus!

southlouth type · 18-06-2012 02:01PM

More bad news for our badly run league ! Dundalk sending begging letters in june cannot be a good thing either ! Lots of there fans would rather be relegated and get rid of GM once and for all . My own club ( Drogs ) where very close to the wall a few years ago albeit under very different circumstances , as much as i cant stand dundalk i would hate to see them go bust .

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:01PM

Open to correction to but the league fees dont include the refs fees. usually around 1200 for a ref and 2 linesman, they obvisouly throw in the 4th official for free. (hence behind closed doors preseasons, you dont use real refs for them).

Addin security costs and you could make a loss on most matches.

Kinda glad we have 3 Dublin derbies in a row and had a bit of a break so fans well up for live games.

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:02PM

super_furry wrote: »

Last season it cost €19,000 to enter a team in the Airtricity Premier League and the 'prize money was as following.

1.€100,000
2.€45,000
3.€25,000
4.€15,000
5.€10,000
6.€7,500
7.€6,000
8.€5,000
9.€5,000
10.€5,000

Only the top three teams made their money back. It's no wonder Monaghan cited the entry fee as one of their main reasons, but it's all alright as long as that pisshead Delaney can pocket his €400,000 and throw a fee slabs of free beer around the place.

Jaysus, is that prize money set with a view to ensuring a cossetted few clubs remain viable, or just because the powers that be like watching clubs overeach themselves and go under? It seems almost guaranteed to foster chasing success until financial meltdown ensues.

stovelid · 18-06-2012 02:03PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Sometimes the clubs are their own worst enemies in all this.

No player in this league should be getting over a grand a week. That's madness. Have the clubs not got any sense. If a player looks for that sort of money the club should tell them where to go. Club survival is paramount.

Incentive-based contracts make more sense for clubs that are challenging for honours. That way the players are motivated to do well and the club isn't tied into paying big wages without money coming in.

Richard Hillman · 18-06-2012 02:04PM

I hope they stay in the FAI cup. They can field a team of locals. It would be a bit of a fundraiser as well if its a home draw and if its away I'm sure a lot more people would make the effort to get to the game given that its a split gate.

Francie Barrett · 18-06-2012 02:05PM

super_furry wrote: »

Last season it cost €19,000 to enter a team in the Airtricity Premier League and the 'prize money was as following.

1.€100,000
2.€45,000
3.€25,000
4.€15,000
5.€10,000
6.€7,500
7.€6,000
8.€5,000
9.€5,000
10.€5,000

Only the top three teams made their money back. It's no wonder Monaghan cited the entry fee as one of their main reasons, but it's all alright as long as that pisshead Delaney can pocket his €400,000 and throw a fee slabs of free beer around the place.

Do the clubs see any money from the games that are shown on RTÉ?

Oat23 · 18-06-2012 02:09PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Do the clubs see any money from the games that are shown on RTÉ?

We used to, but I believe RTE still pay the money to the FAI but they keep it now. We just lose money on the gate now like that stupidly timed Saturday afternoon game beween Rovers and Shams when we lost a lot on the gate.

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:12PM

Oatesy23 wrote: »

We used to, but I believe RTE still pay the money to the FAI but they keep it now. We just lose money on the gate now like that stupidly timed Saturday afternoon game beween Rovers and Shams when we lost a lot on the gate.

Pardon my ignorance, but does any money flow direct from the FAI to the clubs or league?

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:15PM

geeky wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, but does any money flow direct from the FAI to the clubs or league?

Prize money as above ^^ thats pretty much it. Some of us lucky to have decent sponsors, but Pats had no sponsor recently and kept a logo on the jersey for a season even tho we were not being paid too.

http://backpagefootball.com/best-fans-in-the-world-not-quite/42808/

kippy · 18-06-2012 02:15PM

The prize fund for the entire League is just over half the wages paid to JD, and when each team is charged 19K to enter, the league almost pays it's own prize funds.
This is all news to me and really highlights why clubs are going to the wall (as well as over paying wages in an environment where not enough people go to matches.

How much money do the FAI get in government grants and advertising? Where does it all go?
I assume clubs get grants as well and plenty money goes into more local events but it does look like the FAI care very little about the LoI

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:18PM

We get lotto grants but only for facilities. If it was spent on anything other we would be arrested. Not sure who got them this season, we didnt anyway.

Prize money was 235? a few years ago for the winner. totallel 459k one year irc.

Pighead · 18-06-2012 02:18PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Spot on. A license should only be awarded if a club has demonsrated that they can fulfill their obligations over the course of a full season. And it should be in depth enough to seperate fact from fiction when it comes to club claims with respect to expected revenues...

That's pretty much it. Unfortunately clubs (including my own) are so obsessed with short term success they are blinkered to the inevitable consequences of their actions. Lessons are not being learnt. This stuff has been going on for years.

Dundalk have been waiting all season on an insurance claim payout which they expected to be a six figure sum. Got paid by the insurance companies last week and it was less than thirty grand.

Club were foolish to factor this unpaid insurance claim into the yearly budget while the FAI were foolish to say "Ah sure if you think you're getting over a hundred grand for the insurance payout we'll go along with that

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:19PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Prize money as above ^^ thats pretty much it. Some of us lucky to have decent sponsors, but Pats had no sponsor recently and kept a logo on the jersey for a season even tho we were not being paid too.

http://backpagefootball.com/best-fans-in-the-world-not-quite/42808/

So, if I have this right, the FAI is taking the entry fees from clubs, distributing it in a way that massively favours the top teams, and essentially pocketing any TV money?

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:21PM

geeky wrote: »

So, if I have this right, the FAI is taking the entry fees from clubs, distributing it in a way that massively favours the top teams, and essentially pocketing any TV money?

Yeah pretty much.

We were supposed to get 5k for every live game shown involving the home team. I will check i dont think Pats have been paid that in a while.

Oat23 · 18-06-2012 02:25PM

Do cup finalists still pay for their medals?

What an organisation we have in charge. Looks like a few people in here are only seeing now what a joke the FAI are.

Francie Barrett · 18-06-2012 02:25PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Yeah pretty much.

We were supposed to get 5k for every live game shown involving the home team. I will check i dont think Pats have been paid that in a while.

Are you sure? What is the point in showing matches on TV if a club won't see a penny?

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:28PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Are you sure? What is the point in showing matches on TV if a club won't see a penny?

To fill gaps in rtes schedule and they have to show games to keep the international matches.

Altho in fairness RTE they have shown more and more games every season. But if we aint getting paid for it, its to the clubs detriment.

Oat23 · 18-06-2012 02:30PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Altho in fairness RTE they have shown more and more games every season. But if we aint getting paid for it, its to the clubs detriment.

They are showing more games because it is part of the deal though. Lets be honest, they wouldn't care if they lost the rights to the league. They are only showing more games every year because they have to.

Next year they have to show a game every week, don't they?

monkey9 · 18-06-2012 02:35PM

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Do cup finalists still pay for their medals?

What an organisation we have in charge. Looks like a few people in here are only seeing now what a joke the FAI are.

Ha!! That was a good one alright!!

Witchie · 18-06-2012 02:35PM

CSF wrote: »

This is absolutely disgraceful. This sort of thing shouldn't happen mid-season.

Yeah we should just have knuckled down not paid the players, gone bust and not paid any creditors, a much more responsible and kind thing to do.

It was done now so that the players and manager have time to get new teams in the transfer window.

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:36PM

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Do cup finalists still pay for their medals?

What an organisation we have in charge. Looks like a few people in here are only seeing now what a joke the FAI are.

Genuinely, it is news to me. I always had an attitude that the FAI was fairly useless, and that some clubs were not well run, but am only realising the sheer scale of it this season: I've gotten properly back into the LOI after a long absence trying to make a living!

I've zero experience as a player or coach, more of a business and journalism background, but at the risk of sounding disrespectful, it seems like the whole set-up is either really amateurish or downright corrupt (John Delaney earning more than all the league prize money put together....).

I'm quite fortunate in that Shamrock Rovers would be the local club, and I've been thinking of becoming a member for a bit now. From experience, does this result in any opportunity to make a difference? It would be a crying shame to lose live football in this country, but I don't want to just pump money into preserving a rotten system.

IamtheWalrus · 18-06-2012 02:37PM

Is it time to disband the LOI? It'll never be able to compete with overseas football and is lacking in real quality.

dreamers75 · 18-06-2012 02:37PM

geeky wrote: »

I'm quite fortunate in that Shamrock Rovers would be the local club, and I've been thinking of becoming a member for a bit now. From experience, does this result in any opportunity to make a difference? It would be a crying shame to lose live football in this country, but I don't want to just pump money into preserving a rotten system.

The only connection between clubs and the FAI is we play in their league.

super_furry · 18-06-2012 02:39PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Is it time to disband the LOI? It'll never be able to compete with overseas football and is lacking in real quality.

Sure why not? I always thought those England jerseys were a lovely shade of white. We can all buy one, sing along with God Save the Queen and get behind 'our boys'.

You do realise that with no LOI there's no Irish national team right?

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:42PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

The only connection between clubs and the FAI is we play in their league.

Oh I know. But it would be nice to contribute towards the professional running of at least one club.

geeky · 18-06-2012 02:46PM

super_furry wrote: »

Sure why not? I always thought those England jerseys were a lovely shade of white. We can all buy one, sing along with God Save the Queen and get behind 'our boys'.

You do realise that with no LOI there's no Irish national team right?

In fairness, some people probably have less antipathy to the English FA than they do towards the FAI....

Gavin "shels" · 18-06-2012 02:47PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

stephen maher ‏@stephenmaher07
@RTEMNS @extratimenews the chairman is disgrace , nobody told Me

Bit harsher(sp?)

Either he missed the conversation but the Mons players have known their jobs were on a knife edge for a few weeks now.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Open to correction to but the league fees dont include the refs fees. usually around 1200 for a ref and 2 linesman, they obvisouly throw in the 4th official for free. (hence behind closed doors preseasons, you dont use real refs for them).

Addin security costs and you could make a loss on most matches.

Think you're right on the refs, and the Guards charge €190 per Guard per match (unless you've a deal struck with them as Shels do).

dreamers75 wrote: »

The only connection between clubs and the FAI is we play in their league.

...and abide by their rules!

Monaghan United withdraw from LoI

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