SIPTU shutting down the airports next week!

Halloran springs · 26-09-2012 07:48PM #1

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/aer-lingus-industrial-action-to-go-ahead--siptu-568327.html

F**KERS!! is the only word that comes to mind when I think of Jack O'Connor and his cronies. Punishing thousands upon thousands of innocent passengers who have absolutely nothing to do with this. Screwing up peoples business trips, holidays, honeymoons, visiting relatives, etc.

This really should be illegal, hopefully the high court case on Friday will prevent it from happening.

mcwinning · 26-09-2012 07:49PM

Scummy move.

Mickey H · 26-09-2012 07:50PM

Unions should be banned IMO.

OldmanMondeo · 26-09-2012 07:51PM

Read it again, rolling closures not full closing. Delays may be had, but at least you know about it days in advance.

eth0 · 26-09-2012 07:51PM

SIPTU: GBoL

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 26-09-2012 07:51PM

In before Nodin and K-9.

Halloran springs · 26-09-2012 07:53PM

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Read it again, rolling closures not full closing. Delays may be had, but at least you know about it days in advance.

'Days in advance' means nothing to people like me who have booked flights 5 months ago. There's no guarantee it will only cause delays, it would most likely result in a flood of cancelled flights. Anyway they are causing a lot of stress and worry to the people who couldn't be furthest from their issue in the world.

starbelgrade · 26-09-2012 07:53PM

It's only the big airports that will be effected.

df1985 · 26-09-2012 07:53PM

It really is horrible. People are going on holidays, business trips, honeymoons and the likes yes. But you also have people rushing to see sick relatives, coming home for funerals etc.

My dad passed away in San Fran and we had to get him home. Can you imagine an air strike in that situation....

HeyThereDeliah · 26-09-2012 07:56PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's only the big airports that will be effected.

Knock is still operating all flights, all ten that is.

starbelgrade · 26-09-2012 07:57PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Knock is still operating all flights, all ten that is.

Ten more than Cork, Dublin & Shannon.

Hazys · 26-09-2012 07:58PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's only the big airports that will be effected.

Lucky nobody flies through big airports then

Boombastic · 26-09-2012 07:59PM

SIPTU Sector Organiser, Dermot O’Loughlin, said:

“Both companies have, for many years, paid significantly low contributions into the pension fund. Now they have abandoned their responsibilities to thousands of our members by refusing to put the required extra monies into the scheme. SIPTU remains committed to any meaningful process that can bring about a fair and reasonable outcome for our members.”

Anyone whether the company is required by law to pay their pensions?

Strikes over rosters, pensions etc. They are never far from the news of the talk of Industrial action. I'm sick of hearing about them and their 'poor' conditions.

Random · 26-09-2012 08:03PM

this is a load of ****. work out some othe way to solve your dispute. dont piss the general public off because thats not gonna make us give a **** about you.

Mickey H · 26-09-2012 08:04PM

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Read it again, rolling closures not full closing. Delays may be had, but at least you know about it days in advance.

Still not good enough. No closure would be better.

TeddyTedson · 26-09-2012 08:06PM

Don't really see what the alternative is. Negotiations are going nowhere...time for action!

Boombastic · 26-09-2012 08:10PM

AER LINGUS has warned it will sue trade union Siptu and its officers, officials and members for at least €2 million a day in potential losses if planned industrial action goes ahead from next week.

In a letter sent to the union yesterday, the airline maintained the row with the union over pensions did not constitute a trade dispute.

It argued that Siptu, in triggering the planned action, was acting outside the protections set out in industrial relations legislation

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0926/1224324429488.html

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 26-09-2012 08:13PM

My favourite scene from my favourite movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8MVFoiw-dw

the_syco · 26-09-2012 08:35PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Anyone whether the company is required by law to pay their pensions?

I'd find it odd if only Aer Lingus had to (by law) pay their employees pension, as no other company has to.

Mickey H · 26-09-2012 08:45PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Don't really see what the alternative is. Negotiations are going nowhere...time for action!

That's typically because SIPTU generally couldn't agree on the colour of sh1te, let alone this issue.

Tombi! · 26-09-2012 08:47PM

I had to google for what SIPTU is.
It's a union.
So is it some sort of strike with the Aer Lingus lads?

Elessar · 26-09-2012 08:53PM

With the DAA, the only way to get them to sit up and do something about grievances is to threaten strike. They are a horrible company to work for. Don't give a fiddlers about their staff.

Funny that SIPTU will strike over pensions for older folk but refuse to do so over the abysmal treatment of (newer) T2 staff.

Still, I fully support this action.

Toby Take a Bow · 26-09-2012 08:55PM

Random wrote: »

this is a load of ****. work out some othe way to solve your dispute. dont piss the general public off because thats not gonna make us give a **** about you.

The only thing that they have to negotiate with management is the threat of strike. What else do they have to 'persuade' management on the issue?

hmmm · 26-09-2012 09:00PM

Taxpayers own the DAA and are being asked by SIPTU to pay for the pensions of these workers. No, pay for your own pension in the same way as I have to pay for mine.

Elessar · 26-09-2012 09:02PM

hmmm wrote: »

Taxpayers own the DAA

Do they now? Explain that one to me.

martinLintzgy · 27-09-2012 07:07AM

I have a private pension, and work in the private sector.
along with thousands of others, my pension is also worth less than i paid into it.
Unfortunately, I am not in the happy position to be able to hold a gun at the head of my employer. I do not expect the taxpayer to pay my pension.
Siptu look after their members, and screw everyone else.

markpb · 27-09-2012 07:28AM

Elessar wrote: »

Do they now? Explain that one to me.

How does it need explaining? DAA is a semi state company.

smash · 27-09-2012 07:32AM

SIPTU along with others should be forced by the courts to disband and close shop. Unions are a load of out dated bollox and they're corrupt to the core.

speedboatchase · 27-09-2012 07:35AM

It's simple to me - we need to ban public service unions from industrial action. Reagan was a bit of a legend for doing the same with air traffic controllers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_%281968%29

Slurryface · 27-09-2012 07:37AM

Hopefully the DAA will be granted their injuction to-morrow, personally I hope the lazy feckers strike so that Aer Lingus and the DAA can sue them into liquidation.

Shelflife · 27-09-2012 07:39AM

So they threaten industrial action, what happens now is that potential customers will instantly avoid aer lingus and go to their competitors, thus putting the company in an even worse position, by merely threatening action they hurt the company and therefore by extension themselves.

madness in this current climate.

CruelCoin · 27-09-2012 08:36AM

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Read it again, rolling closures not full closing. Delays may be had, but at least you know about it days in advance.

Oh, that makes it all better then.

If you'd planned a holiday for a year in advance, then these selfish prats cause a delay that makes you miss the trip, you wouldn't be pissed off?

Lollipops23 · 27-09-2012 09:21AM

Much as I agree with unions in principal, these are a shower of self-righteous prícks.
People work long and hard to pay for holidays at the min, scrimping and saving and booking annual leave months in advance. Then they get it messed up by the likes of these asshats.
They've no consideration for the average joe, and love holding the public to ransom.
My parents are due home for a holiday next week, I swear I'll lose my marbles if they're affected.

suicide_circus · 27-09-2012 09:26AM

The situation is not exactly as portrayed in the meejah. Not all Aer Lingus and DAA are involved in this pension scheme so not all will be doing the work stoppage. There will be rolling stoppages throughout the day. The effected workers HAD to pay into this mandatory scheme and have been doing so for decades. The companies decide unilaterally to stop contributing and now turns out there is fook all in the pot with workers having lost big money.

norrie rugger · 27-09-2012 09:50AM

hmmm wrote: »

Taxpayers own the DAA and are being asked by SIPTU to pay for the pensions of these workers. No, pay for your own pension in the same way as I have to pay for mine.

My company pays large contributions, into my pension (that I also pay into). I can tell you one thing, if they tried to withdraw this I would be calling for strike action. F**k that, it is part of your salary that they would be taking.

remember lads, any "allowance" or "entitlement" that a company removes is an effective way of cutting your salary, without you feeling immediate pain.
Every euro less in an allowance is a euro more than you have to pay, out of your own pocket.

Do I agree with a lot of allowances? No, especially in the PS but the simple fact is ecpect people to fight to keep them

Sergeant · 27-09-2012 09:54AM

Stand up, damned of the Earth
Stand up, prisoners of starvation
Reason thunders in its volcano
This is the eruption of the end.
Of the past let us make a clean slate
Enslaved masses, stand up, stand up.
The world is about to change its foundation
We are nothing, let us be all.
|: This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race.

Pumpkinseeds · 27-09-2012 09:55AM

Bloody unions:mad:, I think its high time they called it a day and f@cked off into the wild blue yonder. There is enough employment law in place to protect the worker nowadays and I think the only people the unions are helping are themselves.

I've talked to quite a few people over the years who've found their unions less than useless when they needed them. Fecking hate unions:mad:

The Recliner · 27-09-2012 10:02AM

I am going on Honeymoon in just under 2 weeks
I haven't taken any leave in 6 months to be able to scrape the days together

If anyone fcuks this up, no matter how valid their complaint I will go all Bruce Willis in Die Hard 2 on the airport

Shelflife · 27-09-2012 10:03AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

The situation is not exactly as portrayed in the meejah. Not all Aer Lingus and DAA are involved in this pension scheme so not all will be doing the work stoppage. There will be rolling stoppages throughout the day. The effected workers HAD to pay into this mandatory scheme and have been doing so for decades. The companies decide unilaterally to stop contributing and now turns out there is fook all in the pot with workers having lost big money.

norrie rugger wrote: »

My company pays large contributions, into my pension (that I also pay into). I can tell you one thing, if they tried to withdraw this I would be calling for strike action. F**k that, it is part of your salary that they would be taking.

remember lads, any "allowance" or "entitlement" that a company removes is an effective way of cutting your salary, without you feeling immediate pain.
Every euro less in an allowance is a euro more than you have to pay, out of your own pocket.

Do I agree with a lot of allowances? No, especially in the PS but the simple fact is ecpect people to fight to keep them

I pay into my personal pension, have been for 20 years, im self employed I can no longer afford to pay into my pension, my pension has also fallen dramatically in value.

What do I do? do i down tools and piss off my customers ? the very people that i need to survive ? no i graft a bit more and keep going.

I recognise what norrie says that every cut affects you and you shouldnt give them up easy, but at the same time you cant piss off your customers .

norrie rugger · 27-09-2012 10:04AM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Bloody unions:mad:, I think its high time they called it a day and f@cked off into the wild blue yonder. There is enough employment law in place to protect the worker nowadays and I think the only people the unions are helping are themselves.

I've talked to quite a few people over the years who've found their unions less than useless when they needed them. Fecking hate unions:mad:

I dislike unions at the best of times but they are a necessary evil.

Let's get rid of unions? OK let's think about this. Nothing but basic redundancy payments, allowances cut at the whim of a board meeting, sick pay reduced/removed, overtime pay reduced/removed, subsidised lunches gone etc.

Think about all that you take for granted, at work, and then think how easy it would be for a large company to remove those, if they had no opposition

Lantus · 27-09-2012 10:07AM

The theory is all well and good, that they protect workers from explotation, unsustainable low wages and being made to do dangerous work.

However, today we have minimum wage, health and safety laws and a whole other range of labour and employment laws to protect workers.

Unions have become nothing more than parasitical organisations that need the wages of workers to fund their own employees wages. Its a buiness that is living inside another business and not contributing. They make all kinds of political style promises that they are not obliged to keep in any way. People pay because like insurance fear is a great motivator.

And they have the cheek to threaten to damage our economy and undermine our critical travel infratsructure and tourist industry. Who do these scum bags think they are?

Dont expect a drop of sympathy off the public after these acts of economic vandalism.

norrie rugger · 27-09-2012 10:08AM

Shelflife wrote: »

I pay into my personal pension, have been for 20 years, im self employed I can no longer afford to pay into my pension, my pension has also fallen dramatically in value.

What do I do? do i down tools and piss off my customers ? the very people that i need to survive ? no i graft a bit more and keep going.

I recognise what norrie says that every cut affects you and you shouldnt give them up easy, but at the same time you cant piss off your customers .

They are not the workers customers, they are the company's customers.
The workers only weapon, unfortnate but true, is always the company's customers. That is true in any/all strike actions.

I do not have a choice but to pay into the pension fund here. The company takes it directly, from my salary. The bonus is that they also contribute, to the fund and have committed to paying and drop in the fund.
This is an integral part of my work conditions and I would be out that gate on the picket line if they decided to change that arrangement (especially if thefund was depleted when they do so). That is a slimey move

norrie rugger · 27-09-2012 10:12AM

martinLintzgy wrote: »

I have a private pension, and work in the private sector.
along with thousands of others, my pension is also worth less than i paid into it.
Unfortunately, I am not in the happy position to be able to hold a gun at the head of my employer. I do not expect the taxpayer to pay my pension.
Siptu look after their members, and screw everyone else.

Unfortunately, I am not in the happy position to be able to hold a gun at the head of my employer.

What if you had it in your contract that they did have to look afterm your pension, as it was a company administrated pension?
My company manages our fund, they also made a hell of a lot of profit from it, through its investments, during the boom.
Now that it is not making money they should not be allowed to force that onto the workers.

Siptu look after their members, and screw everyone else

Why would they look after anyone else?

buck65 · 27-09-2012 10:15AM

Hate the unions, these public sector fools, they really don't know how lucky they are, the real cuts will come in and they will look back at 2012 as Halcyon days.
We're nowhere near the bottom, Croke Park will be abolished by next govt. and the IMF will put half these leeches out of work.
Pity they can't see this and preempt it but they are in it for what they can get out of it.

27-09-2012 10:22AM

df1985 wrote: »

It really is horrible. People are going on holidays, business trips, honeymoons and the likes yes. But you also have people rushing to see sick relatives, coming home for funerals etc.

My dad passed away in San Fran and we had to get him home. Can you imagine an air strike in that situation....

Exactly. Airport/airline workers should be banned from going on strike.

BOHtox · 27-09-2012 10:24AM

It's a pity Reagan isn't our Taoiseach or he'd sack them all!!!

norrie rugger · 27-09-2012 10:25AM

Eason Large Table wrote: »

Exactly. Airport/airline workers should be banned from going on strike.

Should you be banned from going on strike also?
I mean you striking will have an effect of someone else and how their day goes.

Toby Take a Bow · 27-09-2012 10:49AM

smash wrote: »

SIPTU along with others should be forced by the courts to disband and close shop. Unions are a load of out dated bollox and they're corrupt to the core.

Agree with you re corruption, but unions are incredibly beneficial if you're getting screwed by the company you're working for. Happened to me some years ago, company and ourselves were at a standstill until we started talking to the unions. As soon as they heard this, they backed down. Saved us going through the courts (which most of us couldn't afford to do).

27-09-2012 11:00AM

norrie rugger wrote: »

Should you be banned from going on strike also?
I mean you striking will have an effect of someone else and how their day goes.

If I 'went on strike', I'd be fired. Airport workers are providing an essential service. It's not just holidays in the sun, as someone else mentioned, people need to get home for funerals and things like that.

ScumLord · 27-09-2012 11:01AM

norrie rugger wrote: »

remember lads, any "allowance" or "entitlement" that a company removes is an effective way of cutting your salary, without you feeling immediate pain.

It's a bonus on top of wages, Irish people just don't seem to understand that if the money isn't there, it isn't there. Companies can't magic up money no matter how much people complain about it.

Passengers that have time on their hands in the airport can go out and form a counter "give siptu nothing" protest.

CruelCoin · 27-09-2012 11:04AM

norrie rugger wrote: »

Should you be banned from going on strike also?
I mean you striking will have an effect of someone else and how their day goes.

Or in the case of holiday goers, weeks and personal finances.

SIPTU shutting down the airports next week!

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