And not one ba$tard lends a hand!.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-10-2012 02:56PM #1

Well we've all been in this position at some point in time, and if you haven't you will be!.

Its a sh*t feeling, you've come off the bike. Pain is starting to set in and you're picking up bits of the bike and the best anyone manages is 'are ya all right?'..

Eh no we're not ~ in fact we're a bit bloody shocked & hurt and could do with a hand :mad:

And who comes to his assistance ~ another biker at 1:15 :cool:

Have a safe weekend guys.

Wonda-Boy · 26-10-2012 05:19PM

Looks like a yammy FZ6 aswell, how did he not see that huge diesel spill? In fairness a few cars stopped and asked was he okay, he must have said yeah move it on nothing to see here. Feel sorry for him picking up bits of the bike and it stuck under the barrier.

Sticky side down lads....

Mycroft H · 26-10-2012 05:23PM

Oil is hard enough to see at the best of times!

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 05:24PM

Agree,that someone could have stopped to see if he/she was ok.

BUT........

Traveling way too fast into that bend.

He/she didnt reduce speed at all

Also he/she can clearly see the oil slick,yet he/she does nothing to avoid it,he/she stays bang in the middle of the road and rides through/over it.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 05:30PM

Oh and theres a Shell Petrol Station about 100 meters on down the road,in the background.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 05:33PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Agree,that someone could have stopped to see if he/she was ok.

BUT........

Traveling way too fast into that bend.

He/she didnt reduce speed at all

Also he/she can clearly see the oil slick,yet he/she does nothing to avoid it,he/she stays bang in the middle of the road and rides through/over it.

They are going a hell of a lot slower around the bend than when out on the main road. Look at the rate the crash barrier markings are passing on their right at the start of the video, and just before falling.

Its all so easy to watch a video, and see what we already know is coming up, compared to being on a real road.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 05:37PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

They are going a hell of a lot slower around the bend than when out on the main road. Look at the rate the crash barrier markings are passing on their right at the start of the video, and just before falling.

Its all so easy to watch a video, and see what we already know is coming up, compared to being on a real road.

No difference in speed at all.

The fact that he/she is under pasing at speed (compared to other cars and the lane markings and crash barrier markings) and also that its a narrow exit route off the main road,clearly shows this chap/woman has not got any cop on on him/her as to how to ride the bike when exiting and with such a tight exit bend and crash barriers that close.

Also choosing to ride at that sped into a thight exit bend and also through/over the fluid rather than to avoid it also shows a clear lack of experience and anticipation.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 05:44PM

paddy147 wrote: »

No difference in speed at all.
.

Exact same speed? I wont argue paddy, As I know its pointless.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 05:52PM

He/she is lucky that they were wearing the correct protective gear too.

At least he/she got that much right.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 05:54PM

They should join boards. Everyone on it seems to be great keyboard drivers.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:01PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

They should join boards. Everyone on it seems to be great keyboard drivers.

Robbie,Im an experienced bike enthusiast,and I would not ever exit off a main road onto a narrow exit road and sharp bend like that.

You slow down to expect the unexpected and you also be aware for what you cant see around the corner.

Now the slick can be clearly seen for a good distance before the biker happens upon it.The biker doesnt slow down or move the bike to one side.

The biker decides to ride right through it/over it.

The rate on impact too,shows that speed was also a deciding factor in this crash,as the biker didnt have enough cop on and anticipation to ride the bike off the main road into that corner/exit in a carefull anticipating way.

The biker is lucky that the crash barrier and one of its footings didnt sever off his leg,or an arm,or even kill him.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:16PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Robbie,Im an experienced bike enthusiast,and I would not ever exit off a main road onto a narrow exit road and sharp bend like that.

You slow down to expect the unexpected and you also be aware for what you cant see around the corner.

Now the slick can be clearly seen for a good distance before the biker happens upon it.The biker doesnt slow down or move the bike to one side.

The biker decides to ride right through it/over it.

The rate on impact too,shows that speed was also a deciding factor in this crash,as the biker didnt have enough cop on and anticipation to ride the bike off the main road into that corner/exit in a carefull anticipating way.

The biker is lucky that the crash barrier and one of its footings didnt sever off his leg,or an arm,or even kill him.

So he was going fast enough for the barrier to sever a leg, yet got up no problem? Paddy its worse you`re gettin. Probably lucky they didnt hit support direct alright, but they were not going that fast when they fell.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-10-2012 06:19PM

Jeeze Paddy you're doing an awful lot of nit picking there.

IMO he (or would you prefer he/she?) was going slow enough, probably slow enough to have switched off a little.

Tbh a nice bend like that and I'd have been whoring into the bloody thing.

Either way he (he/she Paddy?) didn't come down too heavy.

As regards motorists stopping and asking if you're ok, not good enough when you've had an off and you're not thinking straight.. I came off on Aisling Quay and broke two elbows and my wrist and still manage to pick the bike up and put it on the path before the shock wore off and the real pin hit me.

Oil spills, you can have the stickiest tires in the world but once you ride on that sh*t you're gonna come off.

paddy147 wrote: »

The biker is lucky that the crash barrier and one of its footings didnt sever off his leg,or an arm,or even kill him.

/Checks to see if I've posted in the other motoring forum ~ nope I didn't... P, thats hilarious

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:20PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

So he was going fast enough for the barrier to sever a leg, yet got up no problem? Paddy its worse you`re gettin.

Barriers haver sharp undersides/edges and human flesh is easy to tear/ripp.

He/she could have been unlucky and impacted the barrier at a certain angle which could have severed into one of his/her limbs.

Thank god they were lucky.:)

PS-If you want to see what a crash barrier can do to human flesh,then ask Robert Kubica and look at his shocking injuries.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:23PM

Rhys Repulsive Self-consciousness wrote: »

Jeeze Paddy you're doing an awful lot of nit picking there.

IMO he (or would you prefer he/she?) was going slow enough, probably slow enough to have switched off a little.

Tbh a nice bend like that and I'd have been whoring into the bloody thing.

Either way he (he/she Paddy?) didn't come down too heavy.

As regards motorists stopping and asking if you're ok, not good enough when you've had an off and you're not thinking straight.. I came off on Aisling Quay and broke two elbows and my wrist and still manage to pick the bike up and put it on the path before the shock wore off and the real pin hit me.

Oil spills, you can have the stickiest tires in the world but once you ride on that sh*t you're gonna come off.

Maybe the motorists were not bothered,as maybe the biker had cut them off and undertaken them at speed????

One of the motorists seems to have a bit of a go at the biker,so maybe the biker cut the cars up/undertook at speed beforehand????

The biker lacks anticipation for the type of exit road and its layout.No forward thinking on the bikers part.

Cienciano · 26-10-2012 06:25PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Agree,that someone could have stopped to see if he/she was ok.

BUT........

Traveling way too fast into that bend.

He/she didnt reduce speed at all

Also he/she can clearly see the oil slick,yet he/she does nothing to avoid it,he/she stays bang in the middle of the road and rides through/over it.

Way too fast? Did I watch the same video?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-10-2012 06:25PM

Paddy, and I'm not getting into a bickering piss fest with you.. But the motorists you're talking about are coming from an entirely different road and in the complete opposite direction..

aN.Droid · 26-10-2012 06:26PM

Best I would do in this situation is to get out assess the situation and apply first aid where necessary and that is because I am a trained first aider. The normal person would not have training to help someone in a crash and could do more damage then good to a person who might be injured.

Best they could do without the chance of being liable for further injury is to call an ambulance which I am sure many of them did.

Frank but there you go.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-10-2012 06:26PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Way too fast? Did I watch the same video?

Your computer is probably running slow, as is mine

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:26PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Barriers haver sharp undersides/edges and human flesh is easy to tear/ripp.

He/she could have been unlucky and impacted the barrier at a certain angle which could have severed into one of his/her limbs.

Thank god they were lucky.:)

They were going nice and handy there. Many experienced bikers would race around that bend. Imo the major factor of no serious injury was that they were going fairly handy into the bend.

Look at the start of the video, focus eyes on the barrier markers, they are a blur at the edge of video nearest to the biker. Now look when they fall, far slower. And when they fall, the barrier markers are nearer, so should appear to pass faster at any given speed.

They also quickly catch the car ahead, then slow to less than their speed right at the start of the exit. Clearly they slowed a lot.

CJhaughey · 26-10-2012 06:27PM

You should give up this craic and start riding MotoGP or at least Superbikes Paddy.
I agree that he rode over the oil but you don't know what was behind him. you can't see from his mirrors if there was a car or truck behind him.
I see a lot of guys on sports bikes braking midcorner and standing the bike up and making it a series of straights, thats not right either.
I think he slowed from when he came up next to the lada , then he entered the corner at a constant speed and a moderate lean angle and hit the oil.
Cameras don't give a true impression of distance especially those head mounted versions.
He just turned off and lost the front.
If he braked he would have crashed anyway and maybe been run over from following traffic.
Its a motorway offramp you should expect to be able to negotiate it at a reasonable speed not crawl down it.

Wonda-Boy · 26-10-2012 06:27PM

Dont have an issue with anything he did or did not do in the video in relation to speed, position etc etc, but IMHO that slick is extremely evident in the middle of the road not to see it and avoid it.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:30PM

Rhys Repulsive Self-consciousness wrote: »

Paddy, and I'm not getting into a bickering piss fest with you.. But the motorists you're talking about are coming from an entirely different road and in the complete opposite direction..

So the cars and the driver (1 minite 35 seconds) is in a car that is traveling in the opposite direction then??
Its an exit road of a main road and its one way.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:32PM

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Dont have an issue with anything he did or did not do in the video in relation to speed, position etc etc, but IMHO that slick is extremely evident in the middle of the road not to see it and avoid it.

Clear lack of cop on and anticipation,which is absolutely vital on a motorbike.

Wonda-Boy · 26-10-2012 06:35PM

All I am waiting for is someone to stick up that vid with "AHH HERE LEAVE IT OUUUUU" just after he bins it!!!!

:p

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:37PM

paddy147 wrote: »

PS-If you want to see what a crash barrier can do to human flesh,then ask Robert Kubica and look at his shocking injuries.

Thats sort of irrelevant really. A hammer can inflict terrible injuries, a potato peeler, a set of stairs, a bail of straw......, but they need a set of circumstances to do so.

At the speed this biker was going, severed legs or hands were extremely unlikely.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:40PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Clear lack of cop on and anticipation,which is absolutely vital on a motorbike.

I am guessing you are another poster with the gift of 100% concentration.

One of the things i find with boards is, how perfect many posters are. No matter what accident comes up, there is always someone that will say they would be immune from that.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:42PM

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

All I am waiting for is someone to stick up that vid with "AHH HERE LEAVE IT OUUUUU" just after he bins it!!!!

:p

I was thinking that when I first looked at it

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:43PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

I am guessing you are another poster with the gift of 100% concentration.

One of the things i find with boards is, how perfect many posters are. No matter what accident comes up, there is always someone that will say they would be immune from that.

As Ive allready said Robbie,I would never turn off onto a narrow exit/slip road with a tight corner and crash barriers that close,at any sort of speed.

Im experienced enough in biking to know when to slow right down and take it very handy and be in anticipation.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:46PM

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Dont have an issue with anything he did or did not do in the video in relation to speed, position etc etc, but IMHO that slick is extremely evident in the middle of the road not to see it and avoid it.

The slick aspect is one that could be argued alright. But it is always a little easier to be wise after an event, particularly one we can rewind and re-check.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:50PM

paddy147 wrote: »

As Ive allready said Robbie,I would never turn off onto a narrow exit/slip road with a tight corner and crash barriers that close,at any sort of speed.

Im experienced enough in biking to know when to slow right down and take it very handy and be in anticipation.

Never said you weren`t paddy. But plenty of bikers would have taken that bend a lot faster than the one in this video.

I wouldnt class that as a particularly tight corner either.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 06:53PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

Never said you weren`t paddy. But plenty of bikers would have taken that bend a lot faster than the one in this video.

I wouldnt class that as a particularly tight corner either.

Speed,corner/exit road with crash barriers and inability to manouver/ride either side of the oil/diesel slick.

Clear lack of anticipation and experience.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 06:58PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Speed,corner/exit road with crash barriers and inability to manouver/ride either side of the oil/diesel slick.

Clear lack of anticipation and experience.

If there were oil slicks on every exit tomorrow, there would be many crashes from the experienced.

stoneill · 26-10-2012 06:59PM

People not helping? - Nothing unusual there.

In studies it has been shown that people can distance themselves from seeing someone in distress, as if they are an audience watching a play. This is even more common (and possibly more disturbing) when a person walking down a street trips and falls, other pedestrians will actually step over them and continue.

Why? - simple, to the observer, there is no "contract" for want of a better word to engage and help a stranger. How do you make a "contract"? You ask for help.

If you fall and need help, you need to verbally ask for help, then the contract for duty of care is made.

As for the very few that do stop to help, typically these are people who sympathise with the faller, in this case another biker.
others who help are people who deal with others people on a tactile basis and do not have a fear or reticence in physically touching another person.

So there you have it - if you need help, you have to ask for it.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 07:11PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

If there were oil slicks on every exit tomorrow, there would be many crashes from the experienced.

Experience means that slow down for such an exit/slip road (anticipation)and you ride around/either side of such a long visual spillage/slick.

You put yourself and your bike in a postion of being able to react to the road/corner ahead.

You dont ride through the slick/spillage.

You are not a biker then Robbie???

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:11PM

stoneill wrote: »

People not helping? - Nothing unusual there.

In studies it has been shown that people can distance themselves from seeing someone in distress, as if they are an audience watching a play. This is even more common (and possibly more disturbing) when a person walking down a street trips and falls, other pedestrians will actually step over them and continue.

Why? - simple, to the observer, there is no "contract" for want of a better word to engage and help a stranger. How do you make a "contract"? You ask for help.

If you fall and need help, you need to verbally ask for help, then the contract for duty of care is made.

As for the very few that do stop to help, typically these are people who sympathise with the faller, in this case another biker.
others who help are people who deal with others people on a tactile basis and do not have a fear or reticence in physically touching another person.

So there you have it - if you need help, you have to ask for it.

It looks to me as if the biker is telling them he diesnt need any help.

daenerysstormborn3 · 26-10-2012 07:12PM

I don't know how he resisted the urge not to pull people out of their cars. Bloody hate rubberneckers, especially ones who drive by really slowly, can see what is going on but won't offer help!

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:14PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I don't know how he resisted the urge not to pull people out of their cars. Bloody hate rubberneckers, especially ones who drive by really slowly, can see what is going on but won't offer help!

You expect them to drive by at normal speed in that situation?

What would you say they are saying to him in that video?

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:19PM

paddy147 wrote: »

You are not a biker then Robbie???

Only experts can comment now, is that it paddy? Lets not have a laugh about that now paddy,

So you are telling me no experienced biker would go around that bend faster than the one in the video here?

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 07:28PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

Only experts can comment now, is that it paddy? Lets not have a laugh about that now paddy,

So you are telling me no experienced biker would go around that bend faster than the one in the video here?

I asked you a simple question Robbie thats all

Just wondering if you are a biker yourself??

No harm in asking that..or is there now?????

Im an experienced biker (mostly sports bikes/superbikes),and I wouldnt go around an exit/slip road with crash barrier on either side at that sort of speed.

I slow right down for such an exit/slip road like that.I put myself in a position of being able to react to anything on the road ahead.

I also avoid any wet slicks that I see ahead,I ride around/either side of them,as I do not know if its water,oil,diesel or something else.

Im not speaking for anyone else here,Im speaking for myself and being an experienced biker and also with regards my anticipation.

PS-It would be nice if you could quote my entire post too.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:36PM

paddy147 wrote: »

I asked you a simple question Robbie thats all

Just wondering if you are a biker yourself??

No harm in asking that..or is there now?????

Now now paddy, dont insult your own intelligence. You were suggesting i am not, based on my saying many bikers would have taken that exit faster then the one here. The op himself in post 13 said he would.

Im an experienced biker (mostly sports bikes/superbikes),and I wouldnt go around an exit/slip road with crash barrier on either side at that speed.

He was going slow though by the time he fell. I think that is fairly clear. You say it was the same speed as he was going at the start of the video.

I slow right down for such an exit/slip road like that.I put myself in a position of being able to react to anything on the road ahead.

So do I when on boards. However, I have skidded at times from going too fast. It happens many of us. If it was shown on video, there would be lots on here saying that would never happen them,

I also avoid any wet slicks that I see,I ride around/either side of them,as I do not know if its water,oil,diesel or something else.

Im not speaking for anyone else here,Im speaking for myself and being an experienced biker and also with regards my anticipation.

I was speaking about the video.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 07:46PM

Robbie,you dont post on the motorbike forum.
I dont see any posts about you being a biker or what bike you ride.

Ive not seen you post on the motorbike forum before

Thats why I was simply asking you if you are a biker??

It was a simple question,and a simple answer would have been nice from you.

You asked my questions about riding and expeirence and I have answered you honestly and staright out,with regards my experience and how I ride a bike and anticipate.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:46PM

paddy147 wrote: »

PS-It would be nice if you could quote my entire post too.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 07:55PM

paddy147 wrote: »

You asked my questions about riding and expeirence and I have answered you honestly and staright out,with regards my experience and how I ride a bike and anticipate.

I never actually did ask you about that though.

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 08:04PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

I never actually did ask you about that though.

Well Robbie,with regards post 33 of yours......

Experience and riding a motorbike teachs me (being an experienced biker myself) that if theres a large oil spillage/diesel slick,or any sort of fluid slick on an exit/slip road like that,that you dont ride through it on a motorbike.

You slow right down,ride with anticipation and carefully when exiting off onto any twisting exit/slip road,and you place yourself and your bike in a position as to be able to react to and avoid a fluid spillage on such an exit.

daenerysstormborn3 · 26-10-2012 08:10PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

You expect them to drive by at normal speed in that situation?

What would you say they are saying to him in that video?

No, I expect that if they are able to slow down and hang out their window for a gawk then they should pull in and offer help.

Bruthal · 26-10-2012 08:22PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

No, I expect that if they are able to slow down and hang out their window for a gawk then they should pull in and offer help.

And would you not slow down, roll down the window, and ask if he is ok? And so appear in the video just like the other drivers do? Of would you stop even if the biker said he is fine and doesnt need help?

I do think its a case of posters commenting on what they would do different, until presented with it in reality.

If it was me. i would of got out and helped pick the bike up. But if he said he does not want help, I wouldnt.

But again, no one can be certain what they will do in the reality of the situation, although on board, perfection abounds.

Im not saying you wouldnt stop and get out. You might.

daenerysstormborn3 · 26-10-2012 08:50PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

And would you not slow down, roll down the window, and ask if he is ok? And so appear in the video just like the other drivers do? Of would you stop even if the biker said he is fine and doesnt need help?

I do think its a case of posters commenting on what they would do different, until presented with it in reality.

If it was me. i would of got out and helped pick the bike up. But if he said he does not want help, I wouldnt.

But again, no one can be certain what they will do in the reality of the situation, although on board, perfection abounds.

Im not saying you wouldnt stop and get out. You might.

If I see a bike at the side of the road, I stop. No ifs or buts, I always stop. If it makes me late for work or something, I don't care, I stop. I've been the biker lying on the road with cars driving past within inches of my head, hanging out their windows but not even offering help or stopping. I've been the biker at the side of the road broken down and had literally hundreds of cars drive past without one pulling in to see if I need help.

It's very obvious in the video that the bike is wedged under the barriers and he has made an attempt to move it himself without success.

GBX · 26-10-2012 08:59PM

Did it last weekend .. put it down on the side. rested it more so ... 2 cagers stopped. thankfully

Cienciano · 26-10-2012 09:04PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Clear lack of cop on and anticipation,which is absolutely vital on a motorbike.

Ah come on now, that's harsh and bordering on total rubbish!

Would love to see you drive around the back roads doing 10kph!

paddy147 · 26-10-2012 09:13PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Ah come on now, that's harsh and bordering on total rubbish!

Would love to see you drive around the back roads doing 10kph!

Says the man who posted this in the recent past.......

Cienciano wrote: »

I wear runners on my commute sometimes. Have a few friends who give me a look of disgust when I told them that. They always wear their full gear. Thing is, I use my bike for everything, even trips down to the shop, they just tour on theirs!

And not one ba$tard lends a hand!.

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