Steve Collins to fight again (maybe!)

LowOdour · 15-01-2013 01:35PM #1

Steve Collins wants to come out of retirement to fight Roy Jones Jr, at the grand age of 48!

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2013/0115/362845-celtic-warrior-collins-returning-to-fight-jones-jr/

cowzerp · 15-01-2013 01:40PM

Crazy!

That's Boxing

LowOdour · 15-01-2013 01:52PM

I dont watch boxing as much as I used to, but one of my great memories as a young lad was watching the Collins-Eubank millstreet fight at home with a packed sitting room.

Obviously, this will probably have a freak show element about it (or if the fight doesnt go ahead, Steve will probably be back in the public spotlight again) so its a win-win situation for Steve in many ways

15-01-2013 02:03PM

Grew up across the road from him. I dont know what he is thinking. Roy Jones Jr at least has been active the last few years.

Kristopherus · 15-01-2013 02:06PM

He must have been watching Hector last night

:D:D

666irishguy · 15-01-2013 02:06PM

He'll hardly get a licence at that age.

walshb · 15-01-2013 02:13PM

666irishguy wrote: »

He'll hardly get a licence at that age.

Once he passes the tests he can get a licence. I am not sure if there is an upper age limit. But, older people have been given licences to box. Collins is what, 48/49?

el flaco · 15-01-2013 02:18PM

And I thought Malignaggi v Mosley was bad.

Collins is having his medical, including a brain-scan, next week and hopes the fight will happen at the end of April or in May, most likely in a big UK venue

Presumably the only this will happen is if both men are at the Froch v Kessler fight and Roy Jones bumps into Collins in the lobby causing him to spill his drink.

walshb · 15-01-2013 02:20PM

Maybe Calzaghe will return to fight the winner?;)

wesleysniper38 · 15-01-2013 02:51PM

walshb wrote: »

Maybe Calzaghe will return to fight the winner?;)

He would hammer the two of them together!

soap1978 · 15-01-2013 02:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Grew up across the road from him. I dont know what he is thinking. Roy Jones Jr at least has been active the last few years.

Was collins not busy fighting doormen and the wife for the last few years

Frank Bullitt · 15-01-2013 04:07PM

Another bad idea that can be added to the long and sad history of bad ideas.

ebbsy · 15-01-2013 04:10PM

Is this an early April fool ?

duchalla · 15-01-2013 04:46PM

about 15 years too late...

Dymo · 15-01-2013 04:58PM

Obviously stuck for money, all the media work up dried after the wife beating and bouncer beating court cases. Why else at 48 he's not going to prove anything to anyone except maybe if he can get the hype going like Flintoff did he can earn a few bob.

dastardly00 · 15-01-2013 05:24PM

He'll need to start watching some of the Rocky movies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP3MFBzMH2o

T-K-O · 16-01-2013 12:23AM

He mentioned this fight a few weeks ago on American radio - I assumed he was joking

califano · 16-01-2013 08:46AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Another bad idea that can be added to the long and sad history of bad ideas.

And assault cases

Frank Bullitt · 16-01-2013 09:24AM

Apparently Jones Jr said that this could well happen in April, jesus wept!

Daroxtar · 16-01-2013 09:49AM

Just heard Collins on Tubridy there a few minutes ago. Thought he was going to rubbish the story but he said it's all on provided he passes his medicals. Seemingly they have a few promoters circling, possibility of the fight being in Dubai or Russia. From once the money is right then the fight will go ahead at cruiserweight. He reckons he has no problems making LHW but Roy wants it at CW.

barney4001 · 16-01-2013 12:44PM

its no joke,for his sake i hope it never comes off,he could be asking for big trouble healthwise

Henno30 · 16-01-2013 12:46PM

How has it come to this for Roy?

cowzerp · 16-01-2013 01:53PM

barney4001 wrote: »

its no joke,for his sake i hope it never comes off,he could be asking for big trouble healthwise

Over exaggeration there, worst that would happen is he gets knocked out, RJJ has lost his chin so maybe he'd be the 1 getting ko'd.

He'll make a few quid and that's it.

walshb · 16-01-2013 02:05PM

The'll both hobble around for 10-12 rds of nothing!

Noel Kinsella · 16-01-2013 02:11PM

soap1978 wrote: »

Was collins not busy fighting doormen and the wife for the last few years

Defending yourself against a doorman is acceptable in my book, and he won the court case too so win win for Steve. I met his wife a few times and can see how she could do your head in I am not condoning hitting women but am unsure of the details was he convicted of spousal abuse ? or is it just her blabbing to the papers or something ? It must be hard for pro fighters though you have to be up for wars in the ring and get that venomous feeling where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that .......... I think Steve just married the wrong woman. If he can make a few quid good for him he did it the hard way with his career had some bad luck in the early days but I for one am a huge fan. I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual. This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.

FTA69 · 16-01-2013 03:14PM

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that ..........

Of course, it's thus perfectly natural to give her a few digs for giving you lip like. :rolleyes: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above.

Your profession (that's what boxing's supposed to be) shouldn't have any correlation between you attacking your wife. The vast, vast majority of people who box aren't involved in domestic abuse and I don't think any link should be made between the two.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fall-from-grace-for-a-celtic-warrior-497492.html

There was guff with him and his current girlfriend as well, this article doesn't portray him in the best of lights to be honest. Still the papers often spin cases to suit their own agenda.

I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual.

Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella.

This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.

Steve Collins is nearly 50 years of age, Roy Jones has gone from being one of the best fighters of all times to being a sad reflection of himself; probably damaging his health permanently and losing to the likes of Danny Green. Fights like this don't do much for the sport in general to be honest.

FTA69 · 16-01-2013 03:15PM

walshb wrote: »

The'll both hobble around for 10-12 rds of nothing!

The Jones-Hopkins fight was sh*t, and Hopkins is still relatively capable. God only knows what this one's going to be like.

RICHIE26188 · 16-01-2013 07:33PM

Hope sense will prevail and he cant get a license, although no doubt some obsecure nation would be willing to give him one

megadodge · 16-01-2013 10:08PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Over exaggeration there, worst that would happen is he gets knocked out, RJJ has lost his chin so maybe he'd be the 1 getting ko'd.

He'll make a few quid and that's it.

The problem is when Collins attempted a comeback before, he called it off himself after he had blackouts when sparring. I don't see how he's going to be any better all these years later.

I've regularly mentioned how I wished Jones would retire. He's going to get seriously hurt soon.

I'd prefer if this fight never happened.

barney4001 · 17-01-2013 09:17AM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/363010/

listened to this, this morning so it may well go ahead then,he sounded good in the interview

walshb · 17-01-2013 11:52AM

megadodge wrote: »

I'd prefer if this fight never happened.

This is pro boxing, mega. I serioulsy doubt that this will be a fight.;)

alanceltic · 17-01-2013 11:35PM

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Defending yourself against a doorman is acceptable in my book, and he won the court case too so win win for Steve. I met his wife a few times and can see how she could do your head in I am not condoning hitting women but am unsure of the details was he convicted of spousal abuse ? or is it just her blabbing to the papers or something ? It must be hard for pro fighters though you have to be up for wars in the ring and get that venomous feeling where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that .......... I think Steve just married the wrong woman. If he can make a few quid good for him he did it the hard way with his career had some bad luck in the early days but I for one am a huge fan. I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual. This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.

Man have you got serious issues, talk about a male chauvinist!!!! Im sure you will make some poor gal very happy

Anyway back to boxing, am I the only one that's looking forward to this? I always admired Steve as a boxer, short on skill but as tough as they come. It could be a bit of a car crash but like someone said earlier I too enjoyed the era when Collins, Eubank & Benn went to war with each other.

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 11:14AM

megadodge wrote: »

The problem is when Collins attempted a comeback before, he called it off himself after he had blackouts when sparring. I don't see how he's going to be any better all these years later.

I've regularly mentioned how I wished Jones would retire. He's going to get seriously hurt soon.

I'd prefer if this fight never happened.

The scans an all show up any deterioration, And if there is the fight wont be on

I think it's a stupid fight too but like always will be curious to see it.

walshb · 18-01-2013 11:37AM

alanceltic wrote: »

Man have you got serious issues, talk about a male chauvinist!!!! Im sure you will make some poor gal very happy
.

A chauvinist isn't the word I'd use to describe that post/poster!

Noel Kinsella · 18-01-2013 12:02PM

walshb wrote: »

A chauvinist isn't the word I'd use to describe that post/poster!

What is the word then ?

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 12:05PM

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

What is the word then ?

Plenty of other words but that's not what the topic is about-you've already been infracted so leave it at that.

Same goes for all here-keep it civil.

RICHIE26188 · 18-01-2013 12:07PM

Any fighter whos experienced black outs like Collins should never box again, any board that gives him a license is running a huge risk if something did happen to him

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 12:09PM

RICHIE26188 wrote: »

Any fighter whos experienced black outs like Collins should never box again, any board that gives him a license is running a huge risk if something did happen to him

1, black outs could have been a temporary issue, does not mean brain damage occured

B. They will test his brain and if it is healthy then it's no different than anyone else getting a license brain wise.

Noel Kinsella · 18-01-2013 12:12PM

Can you read ? You obviously did not read my post properly. Was he CONVICTED of spousal abuse on his first wife ? Yes or No ? Considering I got three thanks for my post and you got one I think the other posters understood what I meant. Quote: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above. Unquote I never said I condoned it ! Quote: Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella. Unquote: I notice a lot of jealousy in boxing its usually from under achievers who have issues with guys that " made it" Do you know Steve or his wife ? How do you know he is not a great fella ? Please read my post again.

FTA69 wrote: »

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Of course, it's thus perfectly natural to give her a few digs for giving you lip like. :rolleyes: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above.

Your profession (that's what boxing's supposed to be) shouldn't have any correlation between you attacking your wife. The vast, vast majority of people who box aren't involved in domestic abuse and I don't think any link should be made between the two.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fall-from-grace-for-a-celtic-warrior-497492.html

There was guff with him and his current girlfriend as well, this article doesn't portray him in the best of lights to be honest. Still the papers often spin cases to suit their own agenda.

Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella.

Steve Collins is nearly 50 years of age, Roy Jones has gone from being one of the best fighters of all times to being a sad reflection of himself; probably damaging his health permanently and losing to the likes of Danny Green. Fights like this don't do much for the sport in general to be honest.

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 02:48PM

cowzerp wrote: »

The scans an all show up any deterioration, And if there is the fight wont be on

I think it's a stupid fight too but like always will be curious to see it.

No.

Scans aren't guaranteed to show any deterioration. The brain is far more complex than that. It's not like a normal organ where you can scan it and see something obvious that explains everything. Microscopic changes take place that no scan can see, and can only be confirmed to be present at autopsy. So although a scan can show something grossly obvious, there's plenty of stuff that could be going on that wouldn't show up.

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 02:53PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

No.

Scans aren't guaranteed to show any deterioration. The brain is far more complex than that. It's not like a normal organ where you can scan it and see something obvious that explains everything. Microscopic changes take place that no scan can see, and can only be confirmed to be present at autopsy. So although a scan can show something grossly obvious, there's plenty of stuff that could be going on that wouldn't show up.

It would show up any deterioration that was beyond the norm-your argument could be used for all boxers.

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 02:57PM

cowzerp wrote: »

It would show up any deterioration that was beyond the norm-your argument could be used for all boxers.

What do you mean by deterioration that is beyond the norm? Just want to see where you're going with this.

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 03:00PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

What do you mean by deterioration that is beyond the norm? Just want to see where you're going with this.

If he had serious issues then they would be visible-All boxers/people could have microscopic stuff going on, By your logic brain scans are a waste of time, they are not, They are highly accurate.

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 03:06PM

cowzerp wrote: »

If he had serious issues then they would be visible-All boxers/people could have microscopic stuff going on, By your logic brain scans are a waste of time, they are not, They are highly accurate.

Still waiting for you to tell me what kind of "serious issues" the scan could show up.

walshb · 18-01-2013 03:12PM

If Steve passes the relavant brain scans that the boxing authorities use then there should be no problems. Sure, the scans may not be "perfect," but so what?

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 03:18PM

walshb wrote: »

If Steve passes the relavant grain scans that the boxing authorities use then there should be no problems. Sure, the scans may not be "perfect," but so what?

He probably shouldn't box, but I agree if he passes the tests (and he probbaly will) its hard to deny him a licence. You'll never pick everything up on the scan so he'll probably get the green light.

cowzerp · 18-01-2013 03:25PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Still waiting for you to tell me what kind of "serious issues" the scan could show up.

The Onus is on you to say what the issue is, if he passes he's cleared by medical professionals-so what's your issue.

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 03:33PM

cowzerp wrote: »

The Onus is on you to say what the issue is, if he passes he's cleared by medical professionals-so what's your issue.

The issue is the scan doesn't show any of the hundreds of things that could be happening in his brain, so if he passes it doesn't mean he's 100% neurologically healthy.

So you're left with a scenario where someone who is not neurologically sound is going in to a ring to get punched in the head.

walshb · 18-01-2013 03:36PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

So you're left with a scenario where someone who is not neurologically sound is going in to a ring to get punched in the head.

And that scenario could apply to any boxer in history. Until they have a magic/foolproof scanner this will be always the case.

gene_tunney · 18-01-2013 03:39PM

walshb wrote: »

And that scenario could apply to any boxer in history. Until they have a magic/foolproof scanner this will be always the case.

Yeah, true. But the point I'm making is the scan doesn't show everything. People are acting like if he passes the scan he's 100% healthy. That's the only point I'm making.

walshb · 18-01-2013 03:41PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Yeah, true. But the point I'm making is the scan doesn't show everything. People are acting like if he passes the scan he's 100% healthy. That's the only point I'm making.

I didn't think people were thinking that. Did I miss something?

Steve Collins to fight again (maybe!)

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