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Steve Collins to fight again (maybe!)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Crazy!

    That's Boxing

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    I dont watch boxing as much as I used to, but one of my great memories as a young lad was watching the Collins-Eubank millstreet fight at home with a packed sitting room.

    Obviously, this will probably have a freak show element about it (or if the fight doesnt go ahead, Steve will probably be back in the public spotlight again) so its a win-win situation for Steve in many ways


  • Posts: 5,285 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grew up across the road from him. I dont know what he is thinking. Roy Jones Jr at least has been active the last few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    He must have been watching Hector last night :D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    He'll hardly get a licence at that age.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He'll hardly get a licence at that age.

    Once he passes the tests he can get a licence. I am not sure if there is an upper age limit. But, older people have been given licences to box. Collins is what, 48/49?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭el flaco


    And I thought Malignaggi v Mosley was bad.

    Collins is having his medical, including a brain-scan, next week and hopes the fight will happen at the end of April or in May, most likely in a big UK venue

    Presumably the only this will happen is if both men are at the Froch v Kessler fight and Roy Jones bumps into Collins in the lobby causing him to spill his drink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Maybe Calzaghe will return to fight the winner?;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭wesleysniper38


    walshb wrote: »
    Maybe Calzaghe will return to fight the winner?;)

    He would hammer the two of them together!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭soap1978


    Grew up across the road from him. I dont know what he is thinking. Roy Jones Jr at least has been active the last few years.
    Was collins not busy fighting doormen and the wife for the last few years


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,824 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Another bad idea that can be added to the long and sad history of bad ideas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Is this an early April fool ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭duchalla


    about 15 years too late...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Dymo


    Obviously stuck for money, all the media work up dried after the wife beating and bouncer beating court cases. Why else at 48 he's not going to prove anything to anyone except maybe if he can get the hype going like Flintoff did he can earn a few bob.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    He'll need to start watching some of the Rocky movies!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    He mentioned this fight a few weeks ago on American radio - I assumed he was joking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭califano


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Another bad idea that can be added to the long and sad history of bad ideas.

    And assault cases


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,824 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Apparently Jones Jr said that this could well happen in April, jesus wept!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Just heard Collins on Tubridy there a few minutes ago. Thought he was going to rubbish the story but he said it's all on provided he passes his medicals. Seemingly they have a few promoters circling, possibility of the fight being in Dubai or Russia. From once the money is right then the fight will go ahead at cruiserweight. He reckons he has no problems making LHW but Roy wants it at CW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    its no joke,for his sake i hope it never comes off,he could be asking for big trouble healthwise


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    How has it come to this for Roy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    barney4001 wrote: »
    its no joke,for his sake i hope it never comes off,he could be asking for big trouble healthwise

    Over exaggeration there, worst that would happen is he gets knocked out, RJJ has lost his chin so maybe he'd be the 1 getting ko'd.

    He'll make a few quid and that's it.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The'll both hobble around for 10-12 rds of nothing!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    soap1978 wrote: »
    Was collins not busy fighting doormen and the wife for the last few years

    Defending yourself against a doorman is acceptable in my book, and he won the court case too so win win for Steve. I met his wife a few times and can see how she could do your head in I am not condoning hitting women but am unsure of the details was he convicted of spousal abuse ? or is it just her blabbing to the papers or something ? It must be hard for pro fighters though you have to be up for wars in the ring and get that venomous feeling where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that .......... I think Steve just married the wrong woman. If he can make a few quid good for him he did it the hard way with his career had some bad luck in the early days but I for one am a huge fan. I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual. This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that ..........

    Of course, it's thus perfectly natural to give her a few digs for giving you lip like. :rolleyes: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above.

    Your profession (that's what boxing's supposed to be) shouldn't have any correlation between you attacking your wife. The vast, vast majority of people who box aren't involved in domestic abuse and I don't think any link should be made between the two.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fall-from-grace-for-a-celtic-warrior-497492.html

    There was guff with him and his current girlfriend as well, this article doesn't portray him in the best of lights to be honest. Still the papers often spin cases to suit their own agenda.
    I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual.

    Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella.
    This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.

    Steve Collins is nearly 50 years of age, Roy Jones has gone from being one of the best fighters of all times to being a sad reflection of himself; probably damaging his health permanently and losing to the likes of Danny Green. Fights like this don't do much for the sport in general to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    walshb wrote: »
    The'll both hobble around for 10-12 rds of nothing!

    The Jones-Hopkins fight was sh*t, and Hopkins is still relatively capable. God only knows what this one's going to be like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭RICHIE26188


    Hope sense will prevail and he cant get a license, although no doubt some obsecure nation would be willing to give him one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭megadodge


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Over exaggeration there, worst that would happen is he gets knocked out, RJJ has lost his chin so maybe he'd be the 1 getting ko'd.

    He'll make a few quid and that's it.

    The problem is when Collins attempted a comeback before, he called it off himself after he had blackouts when sparring. I don't see how he's going to be any better all these years later.

    I've regularly mentioned how I wished Jones would retire. He's going to get seriously hurt soon.

    I'd prefer if this fight never happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/363010/

    listened to this, this morning so it may well go ahead then,he sounded good in the interview


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    megadodge wrote: »
    I'd prefer if this fight never happened.

    This is pro boxing, mega. I serioulsy doubt that this will be a fight.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭alanceltic


    Defending yourself against a doorman is acceptable in my book, and he won the court case too so win win for Steve. I met his wife a few times and can see how she could do your head in I am not condoning hitting women but am unsure of the details was he convicted of spousal abuse ? or is it just her blabbing to the papers or something ? It must be hard for pro fighters though you have to be up for wars in the ring and get that venomous feeling where you want to brake up your opponent to be really up for the fight then you have some tow rag whingin in ur ear, put the toilet seat down, I need new clothes, dont speak to me like that .......... I think Steve just married the wrong woman. If he can make a few quid good for him he did it the hard way with his career had some bad luck in the early days but I for one am a huge fan. I hope this fight is not going to turn into the usual Irish crap where we slag and knock our own as per usual. This is the fight that SHOULD have happened lets hope it does happen.

    Man have you got serious issues, talk about a male chauvinist!!!! Im sure you will make some poor gal very happy

    Anyway back to boxing, am I the only one that's looking forward to this? I always admired Steve as a boxer, short on skill but as tough as they come. It could be a bit of a car crash but like someone said earlier I too enjoyed the era when Collins, Eubank & Benn went to war with each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    megadodge wrote: »
    The problem is when Collins attempted a comeback before, he called it off himself after he had blackouts when sparring. I don't see how he's going to be any better all these years later.

    I've regularly mentioned how I wished Jones would retire. He's going to get seriously hurt soon.

    I'd prefer if this fight never happened.

    The scans an all show up any deterioration, And if there is the fight wont be on

    I think it's a stupid fight too but like always will be curious to see it.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    alanceltic wrote: »
    Man have you got serious issues, talk about a male chauvinist!!!! Im sure you will make some poor gal very happy
    .

    A chauvinist isn't the word I'd use to describe that post/poster!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    walshb wrote: »
    A chauvinist isn't the word I'd use to describe that post/poster!

    What is the word then ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    What is the word then ?

    Plenty of other words but that's not what the topic is about-you've already been infracted so leave it at that.

    Same goes for all here-keep it civil.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭RICHIE26188


    Any fighter whos experienced black outs like Collins should never box again, any board that gives him a license is running a huge risk if something did happen to him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Any fighter whos experienced black outs like Collins should never box again, any board that gives him a license is running a huge risk if something did happen to him


    1, black outs could have been a temporary issue, does not mean brain damage occured

    B. They will test his brain and if it is healthy then it's no different than anyone else getting a license brain wise.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Can you read ? You obviously did not read my post properly. Was he CONVICTED of spousal abuse on his first wife ? Yes or No ? Considering I got three thanks for my post and you got one I think the other posters understood what I meant. Quote: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above. Unquote I never said I condoned it ! Quote: Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella. Unquote: I notice a lot of jealousy in boxing its usually from under achievers who have issues with guys that " made it" Do you know Steve or his wife ? How do you know he is not a great fella ? Please read my post again.

    FTA69 wrote: »



    Of course, it's thus perfectly natural to give her a few digs for giving you lip like. :rolleyes: You say that you don't condone domestic violence but then come out with the above.

    Your profession (that's what boxing's supposed to be) shouldn't have any correlation between you attacking your wife. The vast, vast majority of people who box aren't involved in domestic abuse and I don't think any link should be made between the two.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fall-from-grace-for-a-celtic-warrior-497492.html

    There was guff with him and his current girlfriend as well, this article doesn't portray him in the best of lights to be honest. Still the papers often spin cases to suit their own agenda.



    Just because someone is Irish doesn't mean he's a great fella.



    Steve Collins is nearly 50 years of age, Roy Jones has gone from being one of the best fighters of all times to being a sad reflection of himself; probably damaging his health permanently and losing to the likes of Danny Green. Fights like this don't do much for the sport in general to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    cowzerp wrote: »
    The scans an all show up any deterioration, And if there is the fight wont be on

    I think it's a stupid fight too but like always will be curious to see it.

    No.

    Scans aren't guaranteed to show any deterioration. The brain is far more complex than that. It's not like a normal organ where you can scan it and see something obvious that explains everything. Microscopic changes take place that no scan can see, and can only be confirmed to be present at autopsy. So although a scan can show something grossly obvious, there's plenty of stuff that could be going on that wouldn't show up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    No.

    Scans aren't guaranteed to show any deterioration. The brain is far more complex than that. It's not like a normal organ where you can scan it and see something obvious that explains everything. Microscopic changes take place that no scan can see, and can only be confirmed to be present at autopsy. So although a scan can show something grossly obvious, there's plenty of stuff that could be going on that wouldn't show up.

    It would show up any deterioration that was beyond the norm-your argument could be used for all boxers.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    cowzerp wrote: »
    It would show up any deterioration that was beyond the norm-your argument could be used for all boxers.

    What do you mean by deterioration that is beyond the norm? Just want to see where you're going with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    What do you mean by deterioration that is beyond the norm? Just want to see where you're going with this.

    If he had serious issues then they would be visible-All boxers/people could have microscopic stuff going on, By your logic brain scans are a waste of time, they are not, They are highly accurate.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    cowzerp wrote: »
    If he had serious issues then they would be visible-All boxers/people could have microscopic stuff going on, By your logic brain scans are a waste of time, they are not, They are highly accurate.

    Still waiting for you to tell me what kind of "serious issues" the scan could show up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    If Steve passes the relavant brain scans that the boxing authorities use then there should be no problems. Sure, the scans may not be "perfect," but so what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    walshb wrote: »
    If Steve passes the relavant grain scans that the boxing authorities use then there should be no problems. Sure, the scans may not be "perfect," but so what?

    He probably shouldn't box, but I agree if he passes the tests (and he probbaly will) its hard to deny him a licence. You'll never pick everything up on the scan so he'll probably get the green light.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Still waiting for you to tell me what kind of "serious issues" the scan could show up.

    The Onus is on you to say what the issue is, if he passes he's cleared by medical professionals-so what's your issue.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    cowzerp wrote: »
    The Onus is on you to say what the issue is, if he passes he's cleared by medical professionals-so what's your issue.

    The issue is the scan doesn't show any of the hundreds of things that could be happening in his brain, so if he passes it doesn't mean he's 100% neurologically healthy.

    So you're left with a scenario where someone who is not neurologically sound is going in to a ring to get punched in the head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So you're left with a scenario where someone who is not neurologically sound is going in to a ring to get punched in the head.

    And that scenario could apply to any boxer in history. Until they have a magic/foolproof scanner this will be always the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    walshb wrote: »
    And that scenario could apply to any boxer in history. Until they have a magic/foolproof scanner this will be always the case.

    Yeah, true. But the point I'm making is the scan doesn't show everything. People are acting like if he passes the scan he's 100% healthy. That's the only point I'm making.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yeah, true. But the point I'm making is the scan doesn't show everything. People are acting like if he passes the scan he's 100% healthy. That's the only point I'm making.

    I didn't think people were thinking that. Did I miss something?


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