Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

Bertie Woot · 02-03-2013 01:48PM #1

Hibernophobia aka anti-Irish sentiment may refer to or include persecution, discrimination, hatred or fear of the Irish as an ethnic or national group, whether directed against Ireland in general, or against Irish immigrants and their descendants in the Irish diaspora. In the past the Irish have been unfairly negatively stereotyped, and whilst some Irish people have viewed "Paddy Irishman" jokes and other stereotyping as harmless banter, others object, viewing it as a form of racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernophobe

The English have been the most obvious hibernophobes closest to home, and anti-Irish racism is as old as the 12th century, and is not the result of IRA terrorism, says a recent study. Please take the time to read this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ir...s-1342976.html

This thread is not intended to stoke up anti-English feeling aka anglophobia, which is as equally objectionable to hibernophobia, it is to ask Irish people if you have ever experienced, or felt that you have experienced prejudice, discrimination and negative stereotyping because of your nationality, and if so, how did you respond to it?

im invisible · 02-03-2013 01:51PM

no, i love sleeping for the winter

Micky Dolenz · 02-03-2013 01:59PM

I thought it was because I am a bit of a dick but it must have been hibernophobia all along. Sweet.

gallag · 02-03-2013 02:06PM

Stupid paddys.
(Now everyone can answer yes)

Grayson · 02-03-2013 02:07PM

I've seen it a couple of times. But only from people who were generally racist dicks. They hated everyone.

I was surprised when i was abroad last summer and met two Irish guys who had been living in Bradford for the last 30 years. They were the most racist people I'd ever met.

gallag · 02-03-2013 02:13PM

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

the purple tin · 02-03-2013 02:18PM

Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman and Paddy Scotsman walk in to a bar, a good time was had by all.

Grayson · 02-03-2013 02:21PM

gallag wrote: »

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

We have chins. :P

shar01 · 02-03-2013 02:21PM

Bertie Woot wrote: »

... negative stereotyping because of your nationality, and if so, how did you respond to it?

About ten years ago on hols in the Canary Islands, I was in a group of six sitting outside a restaurant. At the next table was an English family (I'm guessing three generations). Anyway waiter drops a glass (it shattered loudly) and the grandmother of the English family said "Oh my gawd, I thought it was a facking bomb" and looked at our table.

We didn't respond - she was looking for a fight so why should we spoil our holiday and give her one!

Does this count?

GRMA · 02-03-2013 02:23PM

Yeah, mainly from the self loathing Irish minority.

nocoverart · 02-03-2013 02:24PM

Ah who cares, It's nothing personal.

tipptom · 02-03-2013 02:25PM

gallag wrote: »

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

Take that back,yere place is full of gingers mingers.

greenflash · 02-03-2013 02:25PM

If you go looking for such a problem, it's no surprise that you find it. The vast majority of orinary people in Britain and Ireland are cool with themselves and each other.

SicklySweet · 02-03-2013 02:26PM

First and only time i experienced it, was on holiday and a group of people from England decided to burn the Irish flag.

Quite scary.

Lucy and Harry · 02-03-2013 02:26PM

gallag wrote: »

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

Shane Ward winning X Factor proves you wrong.

I remember in Magaluf I saw about 18 years ago a sign in the window of a bar No dogs or Irish.....

I was young then and felt maybe I should not hang around and get the taxi back to Santa Ponza.Should have smashed the windows or set fire to the place looking back as it was day time and no one was around.

Yamanoto · 02-03-2013 02:29PM

GRMA wrote: »

Yeah, mainly from the self loathing Irish minority.

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circadian · 02-03-2013 02:31PM

Was once told that during Bloody Sunday that "we didn't kill enough of you".
He was firmly in his arse.

Was also once told by a National Front member that I had no right to hold an Irish passport if I was from Nothern Ireland. He also said that Irish passport holders had no place in the education system in England.

I just told him he was mental because he clearly was.

1ZRed · 02-03-2013 02:32PM

Jesus, we've phobias about everything nowadays, don't we?

circadian · 02-03-2013 02:35PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Jesus, we've phobias about everything nowadays, don't we?

I'm a phobiaphobiac.

Madam_X · 02-03-2013 02:38PM

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I don't think it's that unreasonable. There's a bizarre amount of it in this country - and all that "I'm ashamed to be Irish" sh1t. Can't say I've been struck by same from other nationalities.

Although I would understand embarrassment at some stuff (like Irish people being dicks in Australia) but certainly wouldn't feel in some way accountable for it.

grenache · 02-03-2013 02:39PM

gallag wrote: »

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

Scotland has the most gingers of any country in the world, last time I looked Scotland was in Britain.

dd972 · 02-03-2013 02:40PM

Is this a thread for Jambo's ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.

Micky Dolenz · 02-03-2013 02:41PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I don't think it's that unreasonable. There's a bizarre amount of it in this country - and all that "I'm ashamed to be Irish" sh1t. Can't say I've been struck by same from other nationalities.

Although I would understand embarrassment at some stuff (like Irish people being dicks in Australia) but certainly wouldn't feel in some way accountable for it.

How many cultures have you been exposed to though? Insecurity isn't a nationality issue, it's a peoples issue.

Madam · 02-03-2013 02:45PM

grenache wrote: »

Scotland has the most gingers of any country in the world, last time I looked Scotland was in Britain.

Yes and its (possibly) the only country in the world where they are not vilfied - well not as much as they would be in England and to a lesser extent Ireland(depends where in Ireland your from);).

Oh and as to the Hibernophobia! Once heard a girl in a pub ask here friend for a glass of cider - she shouts to him as he's on his way to the bar 'don't get me the fenian stuff(I assume she meant Magners)!

dd972 · 02-03-2013 02:46PM

SicklySweet wrote: »

First and only time i experienced it, was on holiday and a group of people from England decided to burn the Irish flag.

Quite scary.

English yobs who tailcoat Loyalism in it's Glasgow Rangers or Ulster paramilitary guises are usually inadequate saddo's attracted by it's macho allure, Chelsea have an element of these in their fan base, people from Slough or Staines with no culture, identity or accent so they go looking for one.

AngeGal · 02-03-2013 02:59PM

Couple of times from a German guy, he thought he was very funny and made a few remarks before including "Don't talk to him. He's from Dublin. (I'm not but anyway). They see off bombs in pubs in Dublin." I just left it because it was at a work event.

Anyway off he starts again the next night about thanks for the bailout, etc in front of 5/6 people. My response "How many times has Germany gone bankrupt? Ireland has made mistakes but at least we didn't go bankrupt because we liked killing people."

Probably OTT response but I'd had enough.

Lucy and Harry · 02-03-2013 03:02PM

Should have mentioned ww2 to him.
I guess he would have loved me I am Irish and have Jewish ancestry....:eek:

gugleguy · 02-03-2013 03:05PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Should have mentioned ww2 to him.
I guess he would have loved me I am Irish and have Jewish ancestry....:eek:

And remember to mention the swastika

shar01 · 02-03-2013 03:06PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Couple of times from a German guy, he thought he was very funny and made a few remarks before including "Don't talk to him. He's from Dublin. (I'm not but anyway). They see off bombs in pubs in Dublin." I just left it because it was at a work event.

Anyway off he starts again the next night about thanks for the bailout, etc in front of 5/6 people. My response "How many times has Germany gone bankrupt? Ireland has made mistakes but at least we didn't go bankrupt because we liked killing people."

Probably OTT response but I'd had enough.

This reminds me - we were in Vienna in 2008 for the Euros. Again sitting outside a cafe, there was a group of German fans at the next table. When they heard our accents, one turned around and asked why Ireland had voted No to the Lisbon Treaty? "Because we could, democracy and all that" was the answer. He quickly turned back to his mates

Although in hindsight, democracy hasn't really worked out well for us...:(

tipptom · 02-03-2013 03:13PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Couple of times from a German guy, he thought he was very funny and made a few remarks before including "Don't talk to him. He's from Dublin. (I'm not but anyway). They see off bombs in pubs in Dublin." I just left it because it was at a work event.

Anyway off he starts again the next night about thanks for the bailout, etc in front of 5/6 people. My response "How many times has Germany gone bankrupt? Ireland has made mistakes but at least we didn't go bankrupt because we liked killing people."

Probably OTT response but I'd had enough.

Should have done a basil fawlty on him

My name is URL · 02-03-2013 03:15PM

I've never personally experienced any anti-Irish sentiment. Have been subjected to racial abuse a few times around the world though. 4-5 times in London actually.. from Indian / Pakistani people =/

Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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