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u-21 Football Semi Finals

  • 20-04-2013 02:23PM
    #1
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    When you only get 7 scores and kick 18 wides you dont deserve to win any match.What the hell is wrong with Kildare , there seems to be a complete lack of composure in the forward line in the senior team and the same applied to the u-21s today.Players taking hail mary shots constantly when if they had a little patience they could have worked a better shooting position for another forward.
    There was a huge contrast between Kildare and Galway every time galway went forward they looked like they were going to score and their forward line had some cohesion and patience which Kildares forward line lacked.


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  • #2
    Utopia Parkway
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    A load of wides from Kildare but their shot selection was poor. Often trying shots from way out or at bad angles. Galway much more economical and you felt they had the more skillful footballers all round despite the size disadvantage.


  • #3
    robbiezero
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    Kildare, big, fit and powerful. Galway the better footballers.
    Less time in gym more time on the field needed, or else start picking players based on talent rather than physique.


  • #4
    AloKildare
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    Is there not a Kildare GAA thread for talk exactly like this?!


  • #5
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    HT

    Cork 0-7 Cavan 0-5

    Cork have been the better team but when Cavan play direct they look very dangerous and I wouldnt rule them out.Should be a good second half.Eoin Cadogans brother has played well


  • #6
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    I know he's only an u-21 but what was Cavans goalie at.Terrible brain melt from him.

    Great comeback by Cavan its a pity they didnt tie it up.The last scoing attempt was disappointing he should have at least ensured the ball went to back post so the other forwards could keep it alive


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  • #7
    theoneeyedman
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    IIRC didn't that goalie have a brainfart in last years semi too......was it a quick kick out or something that was lobbed in over his head ? I'd feel sorry for him once but twice would suggest him and the coach need a kick in the hole IMO


  • #8
    Boom__Boom
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    I know he's only an u-21 but what was Cavans goalie at.Terrible brain melt from him.

    Great comeback by Cavan its a pity they didnt tie it up.The last scoing attempt was disappointing he should have at least ensured the ball went to back post so the other forwards could keep it alive

    Horrific it see happening.

    Could see it coming but wouldn't blame the lad too much, as his defence had completely failed him.

    The pain of it probably comes from the fact that you think it would be relatively easy for the keeper not to concede the free/hold up play if he was any bit composed

    As an aside you wonder if the keeper ever spent any time playing out the field.

    Disappointed it didn't go to extra-time.

    EDIT: My mini-rant on playing out of position wasn't really on-topic so I started a separate thread on it.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056930890


  • #9
    manofwisdom
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    Kildare kicked 20 wides to Galways 5 that's some stat! Galway have been sailing close to the wind in the last few games though in Mayo,Roscommon,Kildare they may have beaten the best sides in this U-21 competition.


  • #10
    To Alcohol
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    Been following Kildare for a long time now and can't for the life of me ever rember us beating a Galway team in any code.

    Well done today Galway, took your chances when they came along. Best of luck to both Galway and Cork in the final.


  • #11
    Pete_Cavan
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    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Galway have been sailing close to the wind in the last few games though in Mayo,Roscommon,Kildare they may have beaten the best sides in this U-21 competition.
    Er, on the evidence of today, and the last three years, Cavan and Cork are the best sides in the U-21 competition.


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  • #12
    cavan4sam
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Er, on the evidence of today, and the last three years, Cavan and Cork are the best sides in the U-21 competition.



    I agree and this is an exceptional cork team beaten only by the eventual champions the last 2 years ,
    Best of luck to them in the final they are a fine side and like us they deserve their day in the sun


  • #13
    crackity_jones
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Er, on the evidence of today, and the last three years, Cavan and Cork are the best sides in the U-21 competition.

    Ah, I think the Dubs might beg to differ. They've won two of the last three titles!

    I'd love to agree with you (I'm from Cavan myself) but the painful truth is we haven't had the quality to close out the deal in any of the last three years. The senior side is still weak but will hopefully benefit from the success of the U-21s. Although that's not guaranteed either.

    Marvellous achievement winning three on the spin in Ulster, though.


  • #14
    Utopia Parkway
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    crackity_jones wrote: »
    Ah, I think the Dubs might beg to differ. They've won two of the last three titles!
    .

    And Galway won the other beating both Cork and Cavan on the way.


  • #15
    crackity_jones
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    And Galway won the other beating both Cork and Cavan on the way.

    That is true. A very fine Galway team too. Didn't really give us a kick in the final.

    Yes, this is a very attractive Cork team and they may very well to go and win this year, but if there's one thing true in sport it's that no team ever 'deserves' to win a trophy. How many promising sides have been heavily tipped in the past only to come up short? Cork will deserve it when they lift the trophy. Not before.


  • #16
    Red Pepper
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    And Galway won the other beating both Cork and Cavan on the way.

    That Cork team in 2011 were considered top class and odds on to win the AI. There were hugely confident. But Galway gave them a lesson that day expecially around midfield.


  • #17
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Red Pepper wrote: »
    That Cork team in 2011 were considered top class and odds on to win the AI. There were hugely confident. But Galway gave them a lesson that day expecially around midfield.

    Yeah I agree Galway with O Currain won midfield but more so when Aidan Walsh went off.
    But this year Cork are winning tight games and management dont panic and all through the year have tinkered and been ruthless with this team to get the best 15 out there.
    Galway beat us and deserved it but Cork were up by 4 and Aidan Walsh got injured and Sheehan went to midfield we relied too much on Barry O Driscoll and Mark Collins to score for us.
    Any 6 forwards on this current team as proven so far can be a match winner on their day.It is not a 4 man show this time.
    A lot of the 2011 guys have become resilant and after every defeat became more battle hardened.Things have not gone our way in most games at times but this panel has the self belief to do the right thing at the most crucial times of games,where it is the difference between winning or loosing big games.
    2011 won't have much bearing on this game ,the minor 2010 game will have more of a one.
    Galway had a huge lead against us but we made the comebacks of comebacks to snatch it.
    Galway will feel they owe us one but Cork will feel Galway should not have got such a big lead.
    Our Full back line will be much different to the minor one where Cahalane had moved to midfield.
    We have a bench where we have Vaughan,Crowley and Hallisey all guys that would make most starting teams.
    It will be very close,and a unique occasion,that should be a classic high tempo game in that both teams like to play football first and foremost without tactics.
    From the senior final of 73,to the 87 Senior replay,to Kevin walsh inspiring Galway minors to beat Cork in the mid 80's,to the minor and U21 games of the last three years,Cork and Galway have always been great games for entertainment and for the purists.
    It will be close and like Munster when they lost two European Cups in Rubgy ,they never said they deserved to win,but on the field of play they earned the right to win.
    It will be the same in two weeks,who ever plays well on the day and earns the right will be champions.
    It will be very close,but I feel we may edge this on our forwards potential and the expierence of the management.


  • #18
    Utopia Parkway
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    Red Pepper wrote: »
    That Cork team in 2011 were considered top class and odds on to win the AI. There were hugely confident. But Galway gave them a lesson that day expecially around midfield.

    Should be a tight final anyway. Galway beat Cork at U-21 in 2011 in the semi-final. And Cork beat Galway by a point in a minor semi-final in 2010 in a game Galway led by 8 points at one stage. Basically the vast majority of both teams played in at least one of those games.


  • #19
    manofwisdom
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Er, on the evidence of today, and the last three years, Cavan and Cork are the best sides in the U-21 competition.

    In the last three years it would be Dublin,Galway, no backdoor in the U-21 championship so we are left with todays final four. The current Cork team aren't as good as their 2011 side IMO. On route to this All Ireland final i think Galway have beaten better sides (Kildare,Roscommon,Mayo) than Cork (Kerry,Tipp,Cavan) have.


  • #20
    Always_Running
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    cavan4sam wrote: »
    I agree and this is an exceptional cork team beaten only by the eventual champions the last 2 years ,
    Best of luck to them in the final they are a fine side and like us they deserve their day in the sun

    U-21s make 5-7 changes per year can't go on other years when judging current team.

    Cavan have done great to win three in row Ulster titles however it's the All Ireland series they have stuggled in with only one win in three years v Wexford i think it was.


  • #21
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Should be a tight final anyway. Galway beat Cork at U-21 in 2011 in the semi-final. And Cork beat Galway by a point in a minor semi-final in 2010 in a game Galway led by 8 points at one stage. Basically the vast majority of both teams played in at least one of those games.
    Thomas Healy, Shane Walsh, Ian Burke, Gearoid Canavan, Phil Ez, David Cunnane, Cathal Mulryan, Damien Comer and Sean Moran didn't play in either of those games iirc.
    Very different Galway team anyway. Star of the show in 2010 & Galway senior Peadar Óg is injured and has been for the whole championship. Should be a very interesting final.


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  • #22
    rossie1977
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    no way galway don't win the title from here, we (roscommon) totally dominated in normal time and lead by 3 going into the final 4 minutes and still didn't win, galway in that match got a goal in the first minute which didn't cross the line, smith hit the post 5 yards out with an open goal at his mercy and in the second half we kicked wide after wide despite coming forward in waves, by all accounts mayo also had the majority of the play and kildare kicked 18 wides on saturday

    i said coming out the hyde that evening galway would go on to win the whole thing, same feeling i had leaving the hyde on a warm summer afternoon back in 1998 when we also outplayed galway in normal time


  • #23
    Orizio
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    manofwisdom wrote: »
    In the last three years it would be Dublin,Galway, no backdoor in the U-21 championship so we are left with todays final four. The current Cork team aren't as good as their 2011 side IMO. On route to this All Ireland final i think Galway have beaten better sides (Kildare,Roscommon,Mayo) than Cork (Kerry,Tipp,Cavan) have.

    You were in attendance at all of these games yeah.


  • #24
    Thinkstoomuch
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    no way galway don't win the title from here, we (roscommon) totally dominated in normal time and lead by 3 going into the final 4 minutes and still didn't win, galway in that match got a goal in the first minute which didn't cross the line, smith hit the post 5 yards out with an open goal at his mercy and in the second half we kicked wide after wide despite coming forward in waves, by all accounts mayo also had the majority of the play and kildare kicked 18 wides on saturday

    i said coming out the hyde that evening galway would go on to win the whole thing, same feeling i had leaving the hyde on a warm summer afternoon back in 1998 when we also outplayed galway in normal time
    That says more about Roscommons lack of ability and self belief to close out the game than Galway being unbeatable which is what youre saying.
    The difference between this Cork team ,in most games at minor and U21 the last three years is they unlike other teams win close games.Kerry was very close but we beat them.Most teams would have lost when there were level with a very brave Cavan team in injury time but Cork did not and were calm and composed when it mattered the most.
    There is a huge self belief in this Cork team combined with 6 forwards who can score,and another on the bench that would get on most U21 teams.
    If you keep giving teams huge opportunites like Galway youre bound to come a cropper eventually.
    Galway are a good team and it will be close but to base it alone on the fact ye or Kildare could not beat them doesnt mean we wont and that their name is already on the cup.
    With all due respect we would beat Roscommon and Kildare too.
    There facing a different Cork team in two weeks.
    Cork could have felt the Gods were against us when we had a perfectly good point ruled wide.We did not let it be our downfall.We still won the game.
    Different teams react in different ways.
    Kildare beat themselves,they dont have natural scoring forwards.This Cork team has it in abundance.


  • #25
    Thinkstoomuch
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    manofwisdom wrote: »
    In the last three years it would be Dublin,Galway, no backdoor in the U-21 championship so we are left with todays final four. The current Cork team aren't as good as their 2011 side IMO. On route to this All Ireland final i think Galway have beaten better sides (Kildare,Roscommon,Mayo) than Cork (Kerry,Tipp,Cavan) have.
    No thats not true.The 2011 team had indivduals mainly Walsh and Sheehan mainly.Walsh went off injured,then Sheehan was moved out to midfield.We had no bench then.
    This Cork team is much better than 2011 as they play as a team and Cahalane,Clancy and O Rourke will all be in contention for the senior team this year.They played two league games and would have played more only for this championship.
    Hurley will play for Cork even with all the forward talent at senior available.
    Hanahran in goal is a superb keeper and was involved this year with the seniors.
    There is about 8 of this team that all will probably play for Cork at senior down the line.
    Cavan were a fine side and much better than kildare.I would not say Mayo were any better or worse than Kerry.
    We beat a fine Tippereary side in thurles that had the bulk of a minor all ireland winning side and that also had a strength and conditiong coach working with that team.They were as proffessional as a senior side would be.
    David Power is an excellent manager and had Gerry Macgill as a selector from the Senior side involved with that Tippereary team.Macgill has had huge success with any team he has been involved in at ladies and men's football.
    So not only were Tippereary a talented team but they had an excellent management team in charge,and Cork beat them in Thurles handy in the end.
    Mayo are like Kildare,overhyped,all big strong men but lacking pure footballers.
    Kildare were blown up in the media cause they had been together since developments squads at U-14 level and upwards and Mcgeeney was the manager.He has won nothing of relevance to been seen as anything special at senior and did not look like he knew what to do yesterday..Kildare beat no body bar Longford who shocked Dublin in the first game.
    Kildare would not have beaten Dublin and struggled to beat Longford.
    A sunday newspaper had more or less said last week Kildare were unbeatable.What rubbish.
    It said Kildare also had a player that had played aussie rules as if it meant anything extra.
    Cork have Damien Cahalane who took part in trials for the AFL last November.He would be good enough to make it if he wanted to play that game.
    Galway will be tough at the minor game was close in 2010,but I expect Cork to win as we have a strong bench added to the fact we have 6 scoring forwards.
    Just cause Roscommon and Kildare lacked the skill and belief and managed to throw away their games does not mean Cork will do the same.
    Cork have won close games all through minor and U21 the last three years with this bunch of players.
    The Tippereary team Cork beat would beat Roscommon and Mayo if they had met.
    This Cork team has a manager that will be involved in hes 4th final looking to win he's second.This is a much better Cork set up than you give it credit for and beat a fine Cavan side that never gave up,compared to Galway beating a Kildare team that are no comparison to them.


  • #26
    manofwisdom
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    No thats not true.The 2011 team had indivduals mainly Walsh and Sheehan mainly.Walsh went off injured,then Sheehan was moved out to midfield.We had no bench then.
    This Cork team is much better than 2011 as they play as a team and Cahalane,Clancy and O Rourke will all be in contention for the senior team this year.They played two league games and would have played more only for this championship.
    Hurley will play for Cork even with all the forward talent at senior available.
    Hanahran in goal is a superb keeper and was involved this year with the seniors.
    There is about 8 of this team that all will probably play for Cork at senior down the line.
    Cavan were a fine side and much better than kildare.I would not say Mayo were any better or worse than Kerry.
    We beat a fine Tippereary side in thurles that had the bulk of a minor all ireland winning side and that also had a strength and conditiong coach working with that team.They were as proffessional as a senior side would be.
    David Power is an excellent manager and had Gerry Macgill as a selector from the Senior side involved with that Tippereary team.Macgill has had huge success with any team he has been involved in at ladies and men's football.
    So not only were Tippereary a talented team but they had an excellent management team in charge,and Cork beat them in Thurles handy in the end.
    Mayo are like Kildare,overhyped,all big strong men but lacking pure footballers.
    Kildare were blown up in the media cause they had been together since developments squads at U-14 level and upwards and Mcgeeney was the manager.He has won nothing of relevance to been seen as anything special at senior and did not look like he knew what to do yesterday..Kildare beat no body bar Longford who shocked Dublin in the first game.
    Kildare would not have beaten Dublin and struggled to beat Longford.
    A sunday newspaper had more or less said last week Kildare were unbeatable.What rubbish.
    It said Kildare also had a player that had played aussie rules as if it meant anything extra.
    Cork have Damien Cahalane who took part in trials for the AFL last November.He would be good enough to make it if he wanted to play that game.
    Galway will be tough at the minor game was close in 2010,but I expect Cork to win as we have a strong bench added to the fact we have 6 scoring forwards.
    Just cause Roscommon and Kildare lacked the skill and belief and managed to throw away their games does not mean Cork will do the same.
    Cork have won close games all through minor and U21 the last three years with this bunch of players.
    The Tippereary team Cork beat would beat Roscommon and Mayo if they had met.
    This Cork team has a manager that will be involved in hes 4th final looking to win he's second.This is a much better Cork set up than you give it credit for and beat a fine Cavan side that never gave up,compared to Galway beating a Kildare team that are no comparison to them.

    Disagree. Kerry could have beaten you this year and the final against Tipp swung in Cork's favour when a number of Tipp key players went off injured even then most doesn't expect the best out of Tipp until next year. Cavan were within one scoreable free of bringing that game into extra time yesterday if they did they would have all the momentum and probably would have won it.

    The 2011 Cork team stream rolled through Munster Galway did likewise in Connacht both sides are better than anything i have seen this years U-21 championship and the All Ireland semi final (Cork v Galway) was the final in all but name. For the record Galway have very few of the 2010 minor team. Connacht underage football is currently stronger than Ulster and that's not to take away from Cavan's fine record of three in row. Going on the last decade Cork are about to face a side from arguably the strongest U-21 province if Roscommon,Mayo had beaten Galway they would have reached the All Ireland final IMO i'm not sure would Kerry or Tipp have beaten Cavan.

    Cork will clearly have to improve on yesterday's performance if they want to All Ireland. Galway are beatable however going on the last three games their name looks to on the trophy already.


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    rossie1977
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    That says more about Roscommons lack of ability and self belief to close out the game than Galway being unbeatable which is what youre saying.

    roscommon had numerous players that played in last years under 21 final with dublin so they shouldn't lack ability or self belief and the younger guys who came in have multiple connacht minor medals and had beaten alot of the younger galway lads over the past two years, 18 of the same players that started 2 weeks ago (9 from both) started this e.g http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=18918

    i never saw a game like it and i have been going to gaa matches for nearly 30 years, when i see games like that its hard to not think the cup is destined for the winning team, i don't know whether cork would have beaten roscommon or kildare as i haven't seen enough of cork, they struggled with cavan and roscommon were much stronger than cavan last year and on paper cavan looked better last year, i know this was an exceptionally strong roscommon side this year though


  • #28
    Thinkstoomuch
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    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Disagree. Kerry could have beaten you this year and the final against Tipp swung in Cork's favour when a number of Tipp key players went off injured even then most doesn't expect the best out of Tipp until next year. Cavan were within one scoreable free of bringing that game into extra time yesterday if they did they would have all the momentum and probably would have won it.

    The 2011 Cork team stream rolled through Munster Galway did likewise in Connacht both sides are better than anything i have seen this years U-21 championship and the All Ireland semi final (Cork v Galway) was the final in all but name. For the record Galway have very few of the 2010 minor team. Connacht underage football is currently stronger than Ulster and that's not to take away from Cavan's fine record of three in row. Going on the last decade Cork are about to face a side from arguably the strongest U-21 province if Roscommon,Mayo had beaten Galway they would have reached the All Ireland final IMO i'm not sure would Kerry or Tipp have beaten Cavan.

    Cork will clearly have to improve on yesterday's performance if they want to All Ireland. Galway are beatable however going on the last three games their name looks to on the trophy already.
    You are wrong with all due respect.If and buts and maybees are all circumstantial evidence which have no relevance at all.
    Lets deal with the facts.Tippereary are a fine side and beat roscommon at minor two years ago.
    Connaught is the not the strongest province this year.Ulster is ,and we beat a fine Cavan side yesterday who would beat anything mayo and the rest would throw at them.
    That 2011 win against Kerry was a great result.We got a ten minute purple patch and built up a huge result they never recovered from.Against Galway when Aidan Walsh was injured we collapsed.
    If we were as good as you say we were we would not of lost a 4 point lead.
    This team as a team this year is much better with no shortage of stars either.
    This year Cork showed they a better all round team and can win close games.
    We beat Kerry in a close game.A kerry side that were well organised under Darragh O Se.
    Tippereary having men injured would not have changed the match at all.
    We had Cathal Vaughan sick who would have seen game time if fit.
    David Power said as much after the game that he's team were just outclassed.
    The way you are talking they might as well call of the match in two weeks time.
    Galways name already on the Cup is with all due respect way off the mark.


  • #29
    Thinkstoomuch
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    roscommon had numerous players that played in last years under 21 final with dublin so they shouldn't lack ability or self belief and the younger guys who came in have multiple connacht minor medals and had beaten alot of the younger galway lads over the past two years, 18 of the same players that started 2 weeks ago (9 from both) started this e.g http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=18918

    i never saw a game like it and i have been going to gaa matches for nearly 30 years, when i see games like that its hard to not think the cup is destined for the winning team, i don't know whether cork would have beaten roscommon or kildare as i haven't seen enough of cork, they struggled with cavan and roscommon were much stronger than cavan last year and on paper cavan looked better last year, i know this was an exceptionally strong roscommon side this year though
    Fair enough but to loose a game from a big lead is as much lost as it won by the opposition.
    Cavan reeled us back but we still had the belief and key players to win the ball at midfield and earn the vital free.
    People say if Cavan had scored the free it was a draw.
    If the umpires did their job Cork would not have had a point not given and won anway.
    Kildare Junior footballers who are pretty much a development spin of the seniors we beat 2 years ago in the all ireland junior football final in extra time.
    Unlike Kildare none of our lads played senior for club.
    They should have beaten us but as most Kildare teams do they beat themselves.
    Kildare struggle against Cork in big games at all levels.Kildare were favourites.
    This U21 team would have beaten Kildare.
    Yes Galway with their tradition and talent will be tough.
    But no ones destiny is already made.
    This Cork teams knows how to close games out and has a bench of 3 men who can change a game.Cork have every chance.


  • #30
    klairondavis
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Kildare Junior footballers who are pretty much a development spin of the seniors we beat 2 years ago in the all ireland junior football final in extra time.
    Unlike Kildare none of our lads played senior for club.
    They should have beaten us but as most Kildare teams do they beat themselves.
    Kildare struggle against Cork in big games at all levels.Kildare were favourites.
    This U21 team would have beaten Kildare.

    Irrelevant. You're not playing Kildare. We were not at the races at all yesterday and were deservedly beaten. That's championship football for you. One bad day and you're gone.


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  • #31
    Thinkstoomuch
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    klairondavis wrote: »
    Irrelevant. You're not playing Kildare. We were not at the races at all yesterday and were deservedly beaten. That's championship football for you. One bad day and you're gone.
    It was in relation to a post to support a point if you read all the post.


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    klairondavis
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    It was in relation to a post to support a point if you read all the post.

    You state with certainty that Cork would have beaten Kildare. Who knows what would have happened. We're not there because we weren't good enough on the day but having pops at a county like saying "as most Kildare teams do they beat themselves" is a bit out of order.


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    Thinkstoomuch
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    klairondavis wrote: »
    You state with certainty that Cork would have beaten Kildare. Who knows what would have happened. We're not there because we weren't good enough on the day but having pops at a county like saying "as most Kildare teams do they beat themselves" is a bit out of order.
    I have no problem with Kildare and would love to see them be successful but ye threw away yesterday.
    I'was just supporting a claim.Im not having a pop at
    Kildare had the winning of the game yesterday and would have deserved it like they would have deserved to beat us in 2011 in the Junior final.
    Many people are saying Galway have already won the final outright just cause they beat Kildare.
    My point is thats incorrect and Cork deserve respect too in fairness.And with all due respect the way Kildare played yesterday Cork would have won.
    Kildare did not help themselves with all the wides,Galway were there to be beaten and are not unbeatable as what people are saying.
    All im trying to show is that Galway beating Kildare does not mean they have Cork already beaten.It will be a close final.


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    Always_Running
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Connaught is the not the strongest province this year.Ulster is
    Connacht not Connaught. And how is Ulster the strongest province this year? i don't think it's been the strongest for a few years now.


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    klairondavis
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    I have no problem with Kildare and would love to see them be successful but ye threw away yesterday.
    I'was just supporting a claim.Im not having a pop at
    Kildare had the winning of the game yesterday and would have deserved it like they would have deserved to beat us in 2011 in the Junior final.
    Many people are saying Galway have already won the final outright just cause they beat Kildare.
    My point is thats incorrect and Cork deserve respect too in fairness.And with all due respect the way Kildare played yesterday Cork would have won.
    Kildare did not help themselves with all the wides,Galway were there to be beaten and are not unbeatable as what people are saying.
    All im trying to show is that Galway beating Kildare does not mean they have Cork already beaten.It will be a close final.

    Of course Cork deserve respect and I for one think they will win the final with a degree of comfort.

    However, some of your comments about Kildare were a bit unnecessary. You stated that Kildare have no 'natural' forwards. Niall Kelly looked fairly 'natural' when he was giving Cork senior backs the run around down in Pairc Ui Rinn a few months ago. You also stated with certainty that Kildare would not have beaten Dublin. Maybe we wouldn't have if Dublin had reached the Leinster Final but this group of players did beat their Dublin counterparts not once but twice in the 2010 Minor Championship.


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    Lemlin
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    roscommon had numerous players that played in last years under 21 final with dublin so they shouldn't lack ability or self belief and the younger guys who came in have multiple connacht minor medals and had beaten alot of the younger galway lads over the past two years, 18 of the same players that started 2 weeks ago (9 from both) started this e.g http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=18918

    i never saw a game like it and i have been going to gaa matches for nearly 30 years, when i see games like that its hard to not think the cup is destined for the winning team, i don't know whether cork would have beaten roscommon or kildare as i haven't seen enough of cork, they struggled with cavan and roscommon were much stronger than cavan last year and on paper cavan looked better last year, i know this was an exceptionally strong roscommon side this year though

    You say Roscommon were much stronger than Cavan last year - on what basis? Cavan had beaten that Roscommon team in the Hastings Cup final and, but for a fumble by Gilsenan to allow a second Roscommon goal, the Rossies were only a point ahead going into the last few minutes.

    Cavan didn't at all do themselves justice in that semi and one aspect we weren't happy with was the Meath man refereeing it. Jack Brady should of had a penalty early (the local paper printed stills of him being pulled down) and Cavan would have been five ahead.

    We also lost two players to injury in the course of the game. Jason McLoughlin being a player who later that year played for the seniors.

    You say Cavan looked better on paper last year than this year also. How exactly? My example that they were stronger this year would be that Joe Dillon was in the starting 15 last year but a sub this year.


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    blowitupref
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    Thinkstoomuch you are missing the point of a teams name is on the trophy. It's the manner of Galway's wins thus far that makes it hard to see past them and that's not to disrespect Cork it's just the way sport goes sometimes.


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    Always_Running
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    You say Roscommon were much stronger than Cavan last year - on what basis? Cavan had beaten that Roscommon team in the Hastings Cup final and, but for a fumble by Gilsenan to allow a second Roscommon goal, the Rossies were only a point ahead going into the last few minutes.

    Cavan didn't at all do themselves justice in that semi and one aspect we weren't happy with was the Meath man refereeing it. Jack Brady should of had a penalty early (the local paper printed stills of him being pulled down) and Cavan would have been five ahead.

    We also lost two players to injury in the course of the game. Jason McLoughlin being a player who later that year played for the seniors.

    You say Cavan looked better on paper last year than this year also. How exactly? My example that they were stronger this year would be that Joe Dillon was in the starting 15 last year but a sub this year.

    Cavan won the hastings cup final against Longford after extra time last year and i wouldn't read much into pre-championship games anyways.

    From what i seen Roscommon were the better side in that semi final last year and the final score line was about right the 2nd Cavan goal gave the scoreline false look. As for the injury excuse every team gets them the best squads normally wins the big games nowadays.


  • #39
    aidan24326
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    This idea that Galway's name is on the trophy is pure nonsense. The final will be a whole new game again and anything can happen. Galway have ridden their luck so far and I can't imagine Cork will kick 20 wides the next day. Probably won't be a lot in it as both teams have some handy forwards but it's always hard to call the result in games at this level as you haven't a lot to go on in terms of form lines.


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    Lemlin
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    Always_Running wrote: »
    Cavan won the hastings cup final against Longford after extra time last year and i wouldn't read much into pre-championship games anyways.

    From what i seen Roscommon were the better side in that semi final last year and the final score line was about right the 2nd Cavan goal gave the scoreline false look. As for the injury excuse every team gets them the best squads normally wins the big games nowadays.

    They beat Roscommon in an earlier round. I just checked it. Thought it was the final but was incorrect. I didn't get the teams but according to the Celt it was an "under strength" Cavan team.

    I think my points have proven though that Roscommon were not by any way far stronger than Cavan last year.

    Like I said, I never like to see a Meath man refereeing a Cavan game and if Reynolds had given that penalty Cavan would have been 5 points ahead in a very low scoring game.

    I believe in terms of frees he also gave Roscommon 30 or 40 more. There was plenty of controversy about it after the game.


  • #41
    rossie1977
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    You say Roscommon were much stronger than Cavan last year - on what basis? Cavan had beaten that Roscommon team in the Hastings Cup final and, but for a fumble by Gilsenan to allow a second Roscommon goal, the Rossies were only a point ahead going into the last few minutes.

    hastings cup you can't be serious, even in that game cavan only won by scoring a last second goal in a match roscommon dominated

    in the championship match cavan scored their second goal in the 60th minute and it was great play by the two roscommon forwards for that goal, clabby to put pressure on the goalie and compton to chip it in from where he was standing over the two cavan backs in front of him, cavan managed just 4 scores in 63 minutes against us last year


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  • #42
    Poulgorm
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    Under age games are very unpredictable. The Cork - Galway game is wide open.

    Should be an entertaining game. The under 21 championship (football & hurling) often produce the most enjoyable games to watch. Imagine, a few years ago, there was a move to abolish the under 21 championship.


  • #43
    Thinkstoomuch
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    aidan24326 wrote: »
    This idea that Galway's name is on the trophy is pure nonsense. The final will be a whole new game again and anything can happen. Galway have ridden their luck so far and I can't imagine Cork will kick 20 wides the next day. Probably won't be a lot in it as both teams have some handy forwards but it's always hard to call the result in games at this level as you haven't a lot to go on in terms of form lines.
    Totally agree,the game has yet to be played and anyone can win it.


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    Thinkstoomuch
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    blowitupref wrote: »
    Thinkstoomuch you are missing the point of a teams name is on the trophy. It's the manner of Galway's wins thus far that makes it hard to see past them and that's not to disrespect Cork it's just the way sport goes sometimes.
    Your only seeing one side of it though.
    Kerry hit the post against Cork twice,and we had a point not given and still won the match against Cavan.Our name based on that theory is on the Cup.
    The Fact is no one's name is already on the Cup, it will be won and lost on May the 4th in the Gaelic Grounds from 7pm by one team .


  • #45
    Thinkstoomuch
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    klairondavis wrote: »
    Of course Cork deserve respect and I for one think they will win the final with a degree of comfort.

    However, some of your comments about Kildare were a bit unnecessary. You stated that Kildare have no 'natural' forwards. Niall Kelly looked fairly 'natural' when he was giving Cork senior backs the run around down in Pairc Ui Rinn a few months ago. You also stated with certainty that Kildare would not have beaten Dublin. Maybe we wouldn't have if Dublin had reached the Leinster Final but this group of players did beat their Dublin counterparts not once but twice in the 2010 Minor Championship.
    I don't think Cork or Galway will beat each other by any degree of comfort.
    It will be as games between these two tend to be,a close game.
    The point I was making was that if Cork had played Kildare and Kildare played the same as they played against Galway we would have won.
    Niall Kelly is talented footballer and spot on he beat Cork hands down in a League game,however he did not do much Saturday.

    Every player has an off day and i agree he is a talent.
    On Saturday's display I did not see too many other scoring forwards compared to Galway and Cork.
    My point is Kildare should have beaten Galway,and Galway's win should be kept in context and not be blown up to what it is.It will be a close final in two weeks.


  • #46
    Lemlin
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    hastings cup you can't be serious, even in that game cavan only won by scoring a last second goal in a match roscommon dominated

    in the championship match cavan scored their second goal in the 60th minute and it was great play by the two roscommon forwards for that goal, clabby to put pressure on the goalie and compton to chip it in from where he was standing over the two cavan backs in front of him, cavan managed just 4 scores in 63 minutes against us last year

    Yes, I am serious about the Hastings Cup. An under strength Cavan team beat Roscommon by a point. Your lads were five points up and Cavan came back and beat a team you reckon are much
    stronger? Doesn't sound right to me.

    Surely any team significantly weaker than another and five points down should know when they're beat.

    In relation to the semi, I see you ignored my point re Jack Brady and a blatant penalty not being given when Cavan were 2 points ahead.

    And it was pretty hard for Cavan to score with the Meath man in black busy giving frees against us yet missing blatant penalties.

    Would you be happy with a Longford man refereeing Roscommon in an All Ireland semi?


  • #47
    Orizio
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    Lemlin wrote: »

    In relation to the semi, I see you ignored my point re Jack Brady and a blatant penalty not being given when Cavan were 2 points ahead.

    And it was pretty hard for Cavan to score with the Meath man in black busy giving frees against us yet missing blatant penalties.

    Would you be happy with a Longford man refereeing Roscommon in an All Ireland semi?

    I assume you are talking about a game other than the Cork/Cavan match here.


  • #48
    Lemlin
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    Orizio wrote: »
    I assume you are talking about a game other than the Cork/Cavan match here.

    Yep, I'm talking about Cavan Roscommon game last year. It was the semi final too.


  • #49
    Always_Running
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    Yep, I'm talking about Cavan Roscommon game last year. It was the semi final too.

    If you still haven't got over that semi final defeat and let's be honest you never looked like winning it, how long will it take you to get over Saturday's defeat in a game you could have brought to extra time and probably would have won if you did..


  • #50
    Orizio
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    Always_Running wrote: »
    If you still haven't got over that semi final defeat and let's be honest you never looked like winning it, how long will it take you to get over Saturday's defeat in a game you could have brought to extra time and probably would have won if you did..

    Excuse me?


  • #51
    Lemlin
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    Always_Running wrote: »
    If you still haven't got over that semi final defeat and let's be honest you never looked like winning it, how long will it take you to get over Saturday's defeat in a game you could have brought to extra time and probably would have won if you did..

    Who said I haven't gotten over it?

    All I took exception to was someone saying Roscommon were far stronger than Cavan. They were not and I believe the points above show that.

    As for Saturday, the simple fact is Cavan weren't as good as Cork over 60 minutes. I don't know if Cork played to their full capacity but Cavan didn't and we'll take heart from the fact it's the third year in a row we've at least reached this stage.

    Where was this superior Roscommon team last Saturday btw? You lads are fairly vocal for supporters of a team who didn't even reach the semis this year.


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