spray for docks!

amacca · 14-05-2013 08:31PM #1

Hi,

I have a field thats not exactly infested with docks but would be if it was left for another couple of years

anyone have any strong opinions on whats the best kind of spray to be using (the problem is just docks - no rag worth, thistles, nettle etc)...I'm getting conflicting advice/info

some say mcpa or something like that as its cheaper than the specialized ones and you will have to go back over it for another year or two to get an effective kill so you might as well use this cheaper stuff

some say use things like doxstar or dock ban etc for various reasons - the only one that kills the root, do not inhibit grass growth - wont have to respray as many times etc

so whats the real story?

Farmer Pudsey · 14-05-2013 09:33PM

Hi-load Micram about 10/acre if not strong will give a good kill on first go. You could use an activator with it will hit dicks harder but may stunt grass a little. You may or may not need to spray a second time. Make sure docks are not goning to seed you want them at rosette stage.

amacca · 15-05-2013 05:50PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Hi-load Micram about 10/acre if not strong will give a good kill on first go. You could use an activator with it will hit dicks harder but may stunt grass a little. You may or may not need to spray a second time. Make sure docks are not goning to seed you want them at rosette stage.

tks appreciate it

is that 10 litres per acre (to be added to how many litres of water) / 10 gallons ?

what do you make of dockban/doxstar/mcpa etc

Farmer Pudsey · 15-05-2013 06:00PM

amacca wrote: »

tks appreciate it

is that 10 litres per acre (to be added to how many litres of water) / 10 gallons ?

what do you make of dockban/doxstar/mcpa etc

I am not sure what the spray rate is but it costs about 10 euro/acre. Try to set your sprayer at 50-60 litres/acre that is enough water. Dockban/star are about twice the price MCPA will only kill the top growth docks will be back next year.

simx · 21-07-2015 02:06PM

Well lads what y reckon is the best dockstar or otherwise? Forefront t?

Greengrass1 · 21-07-2015 02:14PM

simx wrote: »

Well lads what y reckon is the best dockstar or otherwise? Forefront t?

What you you going after? Find Hurler good for docks here and mcpa for thistles /buttercups

PN14 · 21-07-2015 02:26PM

Depends on clover. If your minding / protecting clover options are limited and clover safe sprays are not super. Eagle expensive. Absulox (spelling isn't right) are clover safe and they do hit the docks but you are really only holding ground against the docks

greenfield21 · 21-07-2015 02:33PM

Got a good kill with eagle this year within a few days.must be the growing weather as other years it would be slow to kill. I think it's stunted the grass alot more though. I used min amount a well.

bogman_bass · 21-07-2015 02:33PM

Forefront is brilliant but it's pricey. It probably works out good value i n the long run though.

MCPA/ Hi-Load micram will flatter to deceive. They will kill the top growth quickly so it looks like a graet kill but the'll be back again next year

Greengrass1 · 21-07-2015 03:04PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Forefront is brilliant but it's pricey. It probably works out good value i n the long run though.

MCPA/ Hi-Load micram will flatter to deceive. They will kill the top growth quickly so it looks like a graet kill but the'll be back again next year

I sprayed 40ac with mcps ast yr and not a thistle it butter cup to be seen since

Most sprays are mcpa based

simx · 21-07-2015 03:56PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What you you going after? Find Hurler good for docks here and mcpa for thistles /buttercups

Sorry should have said, docks, two fields low in clover 2 others seem to be a good bunch in a couple of spots I could spray theses with tractor sprayer and spot spray others with knapsack after, want something that will give long term kill as much as possible, I know it will be expensive but worth it I think

WheatenBriar · 21-07-2015 04:16PM

Forefront is brilliant,it kills briars nettles thistles ragwort you name it too
Do not let spray drift near gardens!
It can kill tree leaves too and shrubs and flowers

It also kills clover
Dockstar is super on docks alone

bogman_bass · 21-07-2015 04:40PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I sprayed 40ac with mcps ast yr and not a thistle it butter cup to be seen since

Most sprays are mcpa based

Oh great stuff for thistles and buttercup just not for docks

Greengrass1 · 21-07-2015 05:19PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Oh great stuff for thistles and buttercup just not for docks

Hurler for docks

just do it · 21-07-2015 09:17PM

Is forefront the same as grazon? I've used grazon on docks and briars to good effect

Count Mondego · 23-07-2015 08:37AM

Forefront is not supposed to be used on a field that will have silage taken from it the following year. Just saying.....

Bleating Lamb · 23-07-2015 09:24AM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Forefront is brilliant,it kills briars nettles thistles ragwort you name it too
Do not let spray drift near gardens!
It can kill tree leaves too and shrubs and flowers
It also kills clover
Dockstar is super on docks alone

I put on dockstar on docks last yr and they are back this year not quite as bad but still back.

amacca · 23-07-2015 10:14AM

I have found it takes up to three years of treatments to get them down to a very minimal level if a field is heavily infested.

Reckon its to do with stage the docks are treated at, you won't get them all at the rosette stage so the ones you don't have more chance of recurring as the stuff doesn't go to the root....

reckon it could be done in two if weather played ball/ you get as many of them in the rosette stage as possible - once I couldn't get an opportunity to get them before they had gone a bit too strong.

Also have had better results when I got the ph for grass right and gave it fertiliser so the grass can out compete them.

happy enough with doxstar here for the moment

about to go after a field that was let go infested with narrow leaf plantains next.

simx · 27-08-2015 12:42PM

Got quoted €80 for dockstar here I think he said enough to do 2 hectares? Would that sound right? Sounds pricey

WheatenBriar · 27-08-2015 12:52PM

Yup thats way to dear
Forefront should work out at about 35 an acre for the spray
Haven't used Dockstar in a while but would imagine it as being a good bit cheaper than forefront

rangler1 · 27-08-2015 01:08PM

Count Mondego wrote: »

Forefront is not supposed to be used on a field that will have silage taken from it the following year. Just saying.....

It's not to be used on silage because it comes in on the silage and the cattle are eating it and it goes back out in the slurry, which is not really a problem unless the slurry is used on potato/ vegetable ground

Dunedin · 27-08-2015 11:03PM

Count Mondego wrote: »

Forefront is not supposed to be used on a field that will have silage taken from it the following year. Just saying.....

Why is this?

If you can graze cattle after 7 days surely you can take silage 10 months later.....???

Dunedin · 27-08-2015 11:06PM

rangler1 wrote: »

It's not to be used on silage because it comes in on the silage and the cattle are eating it and it goes back out in the slurry, which is not really a problem unless the slurry is used on potato/ vegetable ground

Still don't see the issue here but would welcome a bit more detail (especially as I sprayed my silage ground aftergrass in June and it will be the silage ground next year too)

Alibaba · 15-06-2016 12:03AM

Have several fields infested now with these bloody docks.

Any new stuff on the market , to get a good kill as I'll have to get working on them.

farmerjj · 15-06-2016 12:47PM

Is there any problem spraying after putting out fertiliser (can), I,v after grass just fertilized for silage but gotta spray for docks this weekend?

Milked out · 15-06-2016 01:40PM

farmerjj wrote: »

Is there any problem spraying after putting out fertiliser (can), I,v after grass just fertilized for silage but gotta spray for docks this weekend?

No problem at all, probably the right time as the grass will be getting a push on and limit any check to growth a bit and the docks should take in the spray well

Alibaba · 15-06-2016 04:22PM

farmerjj wrote: »

Is there any problem spraying after putting out fertiliser (can), I,v after grass just fertilized for silage but gotta spray for docks this weekend?

What stuff are you using ?

I'm must do them myself like yourself now in aftergrass

Have several fields infested with them.

farmerjj · 15-06-2016 06:08PM

Alibaba wrote: »

What stuff are you using ?

I'm must do them myself like yourself now in aftergrass

Have several fields infested with them.

Hurler, never tried it before so it'll be interesting to c how it does

Alibaba · 15-06-2016 07:45PM

farmerjj wrote: »

Hurler, never tried it before so it'll be interesting to c how it does

Might even try it myself if I can get it.
Never tried it before either.

jimmy G M · 15-06-2016 09:23PM

farmerjj wrote: »

Hurler, never tried it before so it'll be interesting to c how it does

I used hurler on some fields last year. I am happy with the results I got from it, I'd say it was early / mid may when I did it. If the docks are gone strong / woody stems and gone to seed I'm not sure that the kill would be as good.

I can't remember the price now, but it certainly wasn't the dearest product out there. PS Clover wasn't an issue, older meadow, Hurler kills clover.

Alibaba · 16-06-2016 01:46PM

jimmy G M wrote: »

I used hurler on some fields last year. I am happy with the results I got from it, I'd say it was early / mid may when I did it. If the docks are gone strong / woody stems and gone to seed I'm not sure that the kill would be as good.

I can't remember the price now, but it certainly wasn't the dearest product out there. PS Clover wasn't an issue, older meadow, Hurler kills clover.

Did you give them just the one shot of it last year.

Some of the stuff for docks I think they say you're supposed to do them twice.

Are most of them gone this year ?

spray for docks!

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