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FG councillor hit in face while out telling lies to try get elected

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  • #62
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Wicklowrider wrote: »
    just using your quote as a an example...

    How come everyone professes to know what actually happened?
    I've read all I can find and it appears to be very sketchy, brief and only one witness's statement?
    If assault is suspected , wouldn't a file go to the DPP and then a decision made for formal charges down the road? Wouldn't that be followed by a court where the incident would be judged?
    Isn't that how it works in a democracy?

    Good point in fairness! I was a bit presumptuous


  • #63
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The left wing in this country are sickening. They honestly feel that abuse and violence is OK just because their lives are ****.

    The far left politicians are encouraging the latest incidents too. Their ground support are encouraged to go out and confront FG/Lab politicians and troll social network sites

    The worst of it I've seen from that Says No group, although I'm not sure if I'd describe them as left-wing as such. They have more in common with a proto-fascist group - they exist to abuse people who have beliefs other than theirs.

    Remember that Labour candidate the other week who got abused and ran off an estate? That was their work. Would not surprise me a jot if this was their work too, it would certaintly be in their character.


  • #64
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    The worst of it I've seen from that Says No group, although I'm not sure if I'd describe them as left-wing as such. They have more in common with a proto-fascist group - they exist to abuse people who have beliefs other than theirs.

    Remember that Labour candidate the other week who got abused and ran off an estate? That was their work. Would not surprise me a jot if this was their work too, it would certaintly be in their character.
    Boko Haram are worser :)


  • #65
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    renegademaster wrote: »
    what? where did i say i supported the assault???????? i have absolutely no party affiliation, none!! not fianna fail, not fine gael, not labour, not green, not swp/pbp, not sinn fein, none. is that spelled out enough for you

    I don't believe you.


  • #66
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    renegademaster wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fg-councillor-hit-in-face-while-out-canvassing-30261769.html

    well they can't say they weren't warned!!

    A Fine Gael councillor was assaulted while out canvassing.

    Cllr Humphrey Deegan, inset, was canvassing for party colleague John O'Sullivan in Clonakility, west Cork, when the incident happened.

    Mr Deegan said canvassers were calling at houses on Connolly Street when a man launched obscenities and then hit him in the face.

    "The level of abuse thrown at me was appalling. He was calling me a blue-shirt bastard and a liar," said Mr Deegan, who will report it to gardai.

    It's really a pretty awful reflection upon you if you view it to be okay to assault a person on the street for their political affiliation. It's deplorable behaviour which is of zero benefit to evolving our political system.


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  • #67
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Would you beat him up too big man? Like the scumbag in this situation did?

    Seeing as every single person involved in politics is "scum of the earth" according to you :rolleyes:

    You do not know that the "scumbag" beat him up, its all supposition and it appears that the boot may be on the other foot and that it is the councillor that could be charged with assault.

    So who is the scumbag Ugo, the man on the street or the politician?


  • #68
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    You do not know that the "scumbag" beat him up, its all supposition and it appears that the boot may be on the other foot and that it is the councillor that could be charged with assault.

    So who is the scumbag Ugo, the man on the street or the politician?

    We don't know yet. Although we do know that it wasn't the political ;)


  • #69
    Putin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Putin


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    This is a democracy

    Democracy my arse, don't delude yourself. This is the country that had to rerun a European referendum because our Government and their EU masters, didn't like the result the first time around.


  • #70
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Its funny how ordinary people are tagged as scumbags and politicians are not spoken of in this manner.
    Also certain people on here who appear to have a particular political affiliation serm to be promoting this "assaulted councillor" as the injured party when it also seems likrly that he was not so blameless and also may be the agressor.


  • #71
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    Its funny how ordinary people are tagged as scumbags and politicians are not spoken of in this manner.
    Also certain people on here who appear to have a particular political affiliation serm to be promoting this "assaulted councillor" as the injured party when it also seems likrly that he was not so blameless and also may be the agressor.

    Ordinary people don't get into scraps with canvassers.


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  • #72
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Putin wrote: »
    Democracy my arse, don't delude yourself. This is the country that had to rerun a European referendum because our Government and their EU masters, didn't like the result the first time around.

    I know that second referendum when we were told we couldn't vote no again and they pointed guns at us threatening us to make our mark in the correct box. Darn fascist state.

    If only they could have gone off and secured a better deal and then come back to us and asked us to vote on the revised version.... Oh wait


  • #73
    Wicklowrider
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Wicklowrider


    Not so long since a FG councillor was accused of assaulting a pensioner, another FG councillor of assaulting his former boss. Back then I remember thinking there is more to these stories than meets the eye and it never occurred to me to post comments because I had not got the facts.
    And there was more to both cases.
    Destroying the character of someone you know nothing about without a shred of evidence - is that the kind of thing FG and its supporters do?


  • #74
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    The 'hoi polloi' are pished off with politicos & their never ending bull****, false gestures & punitive stealth taxes...

    Anger & frustration will manifest itself physically for the few...

    Having said that, I am not advocating/condoning reactionary violence, better to engage them on an intelligent level via the democratic process.

    Aye but... Fook 'im. I'm surprised this has been a first tbh.


  • #75
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Jaylah CoolS Aftershave wrote: »
    Assault is assault. Deplorable behaviour.

    Now, OP do me a favour and state what lies he was telling. Don't just drop a link to YouTube or an article? Write out what the lies you maintain he told are. Have you the courage of your convictions to drop the internet warrior image for a few minutes and take responsibility for your actions - go on publish the lies by your own hand? First hand, your responsibility!

    he was canvassing therefore he was lying to get the vote. I couldn't be any simpler than that
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    No, your whole thing is about this supposed revolution that you constantly bleat on about (multiple threads started). Yet you don't have a notion of what would actually happen after it

    You're saying you don't approve of what this scumbag did but you're revelling in his actions all the same. Which is just as disgusting

    Get off the soapbox

    It's people like you that give real liberals a bad name. You haven't a bulls notion

    Also, how in gods name do you know he was telling lies? You don't know. He could have been, but you weren't there so maybe don't lie yourself

    see above
    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    This is a democracy - how dare you advocate bringing violence and intimidation into it.

    You do a lot of whinging about "the system" renegademaster, and the fact that nobody shows up at your protests (I'm beginning to see why, if this is your attitude) - why don't you have the balls to run yourself and try to change something if you're so inclined, instead of engaging in this sort of nonsense.

    Hitting a councillor trying to get on with their business - yeah, that'll change things alright :rolleyes:

    please point it out to me where I advocated violence
    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    I don't believe you.

    sure there's no way i could possibly prove it so whatever
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    It's really a pretty awful reflection upon you if you view it to be okay to assault a person on the street for their political affiliation. It's deplorable behaviour which is of zero benefit to evolving our political system.

    where did i say it's ok to assault "a person on the street for their politicial affiliation" or it's ok assault anybody, for that matter.


  • #76
    sligoface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭sligoface


    Sorry councillor but we all have to take our share of cuts, we're all in this together, remember?

    He got in a fight and lost. Don't agree with the person knocking his leaflets out of his hands, but after that the canvasser 'tried to restrain him against the car' which means he put his hands on him and pushed him against the car and escalated the situatuon when he should have walked away.


  • #77
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    renegademaster wrote: »
    he was canvassing therefore he was lying to get the vote. I couldn't be any simpler than that

    So all politicians from all parties and also the independents are all liars because they canvass for votes?


  • #78
    Jester252
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    renegademaster wrote: »
    he was canvassing therefore he was lying to get the vote. I couldn't be any simpler than that

    For someone that doesn't like lying, you sure do a lot of it.


  • #79
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So ?

    when did i say "all politicians from all parties and also the independents are all liars because they canvass for votes"??
    Jester252 wrote: »
    For someone that doesn't like lying, you sure do a lot of it.

    runs off with pants on fire lol


  • #80
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    everlast75 wrote: »
    I'd LOVE if one of them would call to my door. Chickeny b*stards won't though!

    I'm sure you don't want then to disturb you while you are watching Jeremy Kyle.


  • #81
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    renegademaster wrote: »
    when did i say "all politicians from all parties and also the independents are all liars because they canvass for votes"??



    runs off with pants on fire lol

    Ok so because THIS particular councillor was canvassing then he was telling lies? Care to tell us EXACTLY what lies he told while he was out canvassing? Don't want you to link to youtube video's i would like specific proof of specific lies he was telling while out canvassing on the day he got assaulted please.


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  • #82
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    renegademaster wrote: »
    when did i say "all politicians from all parties and also the independents are all liars because they canvass for votes"??

    The part where you said " he was canvassing, there for he was lying for votes"?

    Why are you reveling in an incident of violence against a local candidate?


  • #83
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Ok so because THIS particular councillor was canvassing then he was telling lies? Care to tell us EXACTLY what lies he told while he was out canvassing? Don't want you to link to youtube video's i would like specific proof of specific lies he was telling while out canvassing on the day he got assaulted please.

    he was out canvassing for his friend who whole party manifesto is based on lies to get them into power, then he lied about being assaulted
    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    The part where you said " he was canvassing, there for he was lying for votes"?

    Why are you reveling in an incident of violence against a local candidate?

    the highlighted bit could never be taken up as saying every politician including independents are all liers.

    please show me how or where i was "reveling in an incident of violence against a local candidate" as you put it


  • #84
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    renegademaster wrote: »
    he was out canvassing for his friend who whole party manifesto is based on lies to get them into power, then he lied about being assaulted



    the highlighted bit could never be taken up as saying every politician including independents are all liers.

    please show me how or where i was "reveling in an incident of violence against a local candidate" as you put it

    Again

    You claim in your thread title that HE was telling lies, please list the SPECIFIC lies that HE was telling while canvassing. Also please post the proof where he lied about being assaulted.


  • #85
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    bumper234 wrote: »
    please list the SPECIFIC lies that HE was telling while canvassing.

    "It's nice to meet you"?


  • #86
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,725 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So all politicians from all parties and also the independents are all liars because they canvass for votes?

    I wouldn't say all, but come on, trying to find a politician that lies is like shooting fish in a barrel ;)


  • #87
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    "It's nice to meet you"?
    ha ha.........cracker :pac:


  • #88
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    "It's nice to meet you"?

    How would you know that was a lie? Maybe it was nice for him to meet people. Op is saying he was lying because the "whole FG manifesto is a lie" but cannot mention a single party who has ever got into power and then followed through on EVERY single pre election promise.


  • #89
    Jake Rugby Walrus666
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Jake Rugby Walrus666


    sligoface wrote: »
    Sorry councillor but we all have to take our share of cuts, we're all in this together, remember?

    He got in a fight and lost. Don't agree with the person knocking his leaflets out of his hands, but after that the canvasser 'tried to restrain him against the car' which means he put his hands on him and pushed him against the car and escalated the situatuon when he should have walked away.

    I think it's more reminiscent of Eric Cantona's kung fu kick incident. In that a member of the crowd thinking they were immune thought they could safely act aggressively and the hard man without fear of comeback. Then shocked to find someone break the rules....and they weren't so safe anymore. So then the hard man went off crying to tell the teacher (garda station)


  • #90
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,146 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    everlast75 wrote: »
    I'd LOVE if one of them would call to my door. Chickeny b*stards won't though!

    What would you do?


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  • #91
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How would you know that was a lie? Maybe it was nice for him to meet people. Op is saying he was lying because the "whole FG manifesto is a lie" but cannot mention a single party who has ever got into power and then followed through on EVERY single pre election promise.

    Are you AHs very own Victor Meldrew?


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