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It will be after the Leaving Cert has finished

But see if your accepted, l does that mean that your defo gonna get a place through Hear?

has anyone gotten any form or anything yet saying if they have the HEAR or not?

Badwulf wrote: »

has anyone gotten any form or anything yet saying if they have the HEAR or not?

They don't contact people until after the LC is over.

lauren2107 wrote: »

Does anyone have an idea how many points off you get if you get accepted? It's all very vague online and I'm panicking now about points and the likes.

I think it's within 15% off the required points but I also think it varies between colleges. I'm not 100% sure tbh

randylonghorn wrote: »

There are no set points reductions to the best of my knowledge (though there will normally be a a maximum reduction i.e. they will not accept people with less than X points).

As I understand it, they rank the qualified HEAR applicants for the available HEAR places each year, and it depends on their points.

So, for example, if there are 10 HEAR places allocated for a course, the normal cut-off was 450 and and the 10th HEAR applicant on the list got 445 points, the biggest points reduction for that course that year will only be 5.

However the following year, the cut-off might again be 450, but the 10th HEAR applicant to be admitted may only have 435 points, so that year the biggest points reduction offered would be 15.

Hence why they can't be completely specific in advance.

If the points is 450 and the lowest HEAR place allocated for that course gets 460, then what happens to the HEAR applicants that get 455 and the ones that get 450 or lower?

randylonghorn wrote: »

Well, the ones that get 455 and 450 would obviously get their places anyway without needing recourse to HEAR for any leeway on points.

I'm honestly not sure when they say "10 places allocated to this course on HEAR" do they mean "10 places for HEAR applicants who need some level of points reduction" or do they mean "10 places for those who are qualified for HEAR" (and I think different colleges may have a slightly different take on that) so I can't honestly answer you re: the people under 450.

I'm no expert on the scheme, sorry, I don't deal with it day to day.

X amount of HEAR places are given. When you are entering through the HEAR scheme you are competing against other HEAR people, as opposed to regular CAO people. There may be nobody in a course than got "reduced" points, or everyone could be above the minimum points for the course that year.

Points reduction is just one of the benefits of HEAR, there are many others, and how good they are depend on what college you go to.

egg head wrote: »

hi, results are being posted out tomorrow

How do you know they are out tomorrow?

hi, I rang them ages ago, said they will be out 25th June. I rang them today, will be posted tomorrow, so people should have something in the post on Thursday.fingers crossed & everything else.

lauren2107 wrote: »

How do you know they are out tomorrow?

hi, because i rang them, posted tomorrow, will have something in the post Thursday morning, fingers crossed and everything else as well !!

Hi,

I just sat the Leaving Cert this June and I applied for the Hear Scheme. I filled out the form and sent all the supporting documents that were required within the time frame that was given. I knew applying for Hear would be a risk as I was aware we were over the income limit as my father was only made redundant in November 2012- meaning our income was higher then than it is now.

I received a letter in the post this morning telling me that I didn't get a Hear place, I had three other indicators bar the income one. My question for you is, is it worth my while appealing? Will they take into consideration the difference in my family's income now? I know for certain that for the year 2013 we were under the income limit.

Any comments would be helpful, thank you.

Yeah, got the same letter. I've only fallen under two of the headings including the income one

Anyone else get into hear in dcu

if i got a letter today saying my application to hear is succesful does that mean ill definately get it if i get the minimum entry requirements for any course on my cao?

I was rejected for dare despite supplying documentation and need help in the recheck processes asap

I got accepted, I knew I was going to so I can't say I'm surprised.

But let me make it easier for everyone here.

I hope to do Computer Science in DIT which as of now is 405 points and has 74 places available.

What DARE/HEAR will do is give you a CHANCE to compete for a HEAR/DARE place.
Each college reserves about 5% of their total seats towards DARE/HEAR students. If you get both you have a 10% chance
So the CS course I want to get into has 74 places available. 74 x .05 = 3.7 or 4 places available for HEAR students. So I will compete with others for a place in those 4 seats. 4 doesn't sound like a big number but relatively it is sufficient, not that many people get accepted into DARE/HEAR, I've read on independent.ie (can't link article because I'm a new user) that about 1,000 people across Ireland are going to college with one of these schemes, though this number could be around 1,500 by now. What I'm saying is that, yes there is a strong chance you will be considered, if not you've got 9 other courses that will do the same.

Now for points. The CS points are 405, but DIT is a special case, I've read on the DIT website that they do not care how many points you get, you just have to fulfill the entry requirements and the specific course requirements and you will be considered for a spot, though not all colleges do this. So I have the same chance of getting into DIT with say 300 points than someone with 400 points, but that is only DIT. For other colleges like NUI Maynooth, DCU, UCD, TCD etc. they have a points scale, anyone with the highest points will get a space. In Trinity the Computer Science course is 460 points as of now, TCD allocates about 5% for spaces and 20% on points, so the minimum I would need to be considered for a Comp. Sci. course if 460 x .20 = 92 or 90, 460 - 90 = 370. That's the minimum, but anyone who has gotten like 430 will get the place ahead of the guy who got 370. That's how the TCD one works. Each college has how much points they intent to reduce of their website, usually it's around 15%.

Oh and if you do get accepted into the HEAR scheme only then you will undergo a MANDATORY orientation programme, this lasts for a few days and depending on the college you may or may not have to stay there for a few days to help you adjust. If you do get accepted like I did, the dates and information will be at the back of the letter you will receive.
There are other benefits to these programmes as well, so take full advantage of this opportunity you're receiving!


That's how that system works, I hope I didn't make any mistakes, apologies if I did. Hope everyone did well on their LC!

Got accepted yesterday whooop so happy !!

irishlad12345 wrote: »

i got an exemption from 3rd language and irish and still didnt qualify for dare because my school never gave me a physco educational exam

So really, in fact, you didn't supply all the needed documentation.

I'm not sure there's much you can do at this point tbh, but you could always try contacting the Access / Disability office in the college you're applying to, and see would they have any advice. I wouldn't be too hopeful though, the following from the DARE FAQs on their website:

DARE wrote:

What are the grounds for requesting a recheck?
You can ask to have your DARE application rechecked for two reasons:

1. If you believe that it was unsuccessful because of an administrative error. An administrative error can involve, for example, failure to take account of one or more documents or stating that a form was not stamped when it was.

2. Your supporting documents were not received by the CAO. However, you have proof of postage and photocopies of the documents to prove you sent them on time and to the correct location. If you have evidence that you submitted documents to CAO by 1st April 2014 e.g. a certificate of postage, please contact the CAO by 17:15 on the specified date in July 2014, by clicking ‘Contact Us’ on the CAO website (www.cao.ie) or by phoning 091 509800.

Can I submit new information to support my recheck?
No. The Recheck Board will only consider documents you provided as part of your original DARE application and will not consider any change in your circumstances.

(Red highlighting is mine.)

Link to DARE FAQs

I'm a bit surprised that neither you nor your Career Guidance teacher or whoever was organising the reference from your school etc. spotted that this was going to be a problem; they are pretty specific about the type of documentation they need.

I posted a ocupation therapist report and guidance councillor said that's all I needed to send is there any hope in appealing :P

I got accepted into hear and dare and i was already confident with my lc for my first choice , Delighted.

The letter jus says there pleased to inform you your eligible. Dont need to confirm or anyting it does include the mandatory orientation dates though for the different colleges though

What colleges are you hoping for? And i'll post the dates just it gives every college and theres about 10?

Tcd or ucd its from the 8th till the 11th in trinity and non residential

any1 else tinking of appealing for dare ? cud i tell them that the school was at fault i mean inoe i should of known but my guidance councilor told me all i needed was a occupational therapist report and thats all i sent inoe some fault lies with me but the school never mentioned a physcio educational assessment and i didnt have access to the internet to check

You could try, I guess, Irishlad.

I wouldn't be that optimistic as to your chances, but (a) I'm not an expert on HEAR / DARE; and (b) you don't really have a lot to lose.

It might be worth initially contacting the Access / Disability office in the college you're applying to, and getting their advice.