Legalize Cannabis Ireland

downonthefarm · 16-06-2013 10:30pm

zenno wrote: »

Out-door grows can be HUGE in hot countries as we know, zod know's how much bud you would get off an enormous cannabis plant, The cannabis sativa weed grows a lot taller but takes a lot longer even in hot countries.

There is no way to grow one out-doors here in the wild, the climate is terrible.

This country is many years behind others and it will be legalised eventually, there's no doubt about that, we just have to catch up.

there many hybrids sativa/indica breeds out there now that would thrive in our climate;)

zenno · 16-06-2013 10:44pm

downonthefarm wrote: »

there many hybrids sativa/indica breeds out there now that would thrive in our climate;)

Might be weaker stuff though, not sure. Could be a problem with spider mites and all the other stuff out-doors though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV858imkGQI

downonthefarm · 16-06-2013 10:51pm

zenno wrote: »

Might be weaker stuff though, not sure. Could be a problem with spider mites and all the other stuff out-doors though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV858imkGQI

outdoors nature keeps that in check with ladybirds ect,

zenno · 16-06-2013 10:58pm

downonthefarm wrote: »

outdoors nature keeps that in check with ladybirds ect,

It probably would but you don't see many ladybirds around one or two plants. I never tried out-doors though. If the plants were infested with the spider mites i suppose you would still have to collect many ladybirds to add to the plants and hope they stay there

downonthefarm · 16-06-2013 11:02pm

zenno wrote: »

It probably would but you don't see many ladybirds around one or two plants. I never tried out-doors though. If the plants were infested with the spider mites i suppose you would still have to collect many ladybirds to add to the plants and hope they stay there

spray their wings with cola and they will happily walk around the plants munching on aphids ect

zenno · 16-06-2013 11:33pm

downonthefarm wrote: »

spray their wings with cola and they will happily walk around the plants munching on aphids ect

Nah...I wouldn't harm the ladybirds, i'd let them just eat away and if they went then so be it. It's all got to be done clean and nicely, No damage to the plant and none to the critters that are helping me out

Time for rancho relaxo....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLPdxdvEXk

zenno · 07-07-2013 8:50am

Folks, I think it's time for a spliff and the cannabis song, let us celebrate the goodness of the natural herb.

MadsL · 07-07-2013 9:03am

Ming is doing this cause no favours in all honesty.

camel jockey · 07-07-2013 9:44am

At least we now know that memory loss is a side effect of smoking cannabis. Otherwise Minger would definitely have mentioned the penalty points he had quashed.

zenno · 07-07-2013 10:37am

camel jockey wrote: »

At least we now know that memory loss is a side effect of smoking cannabis. Otherwise Minger would definitely have mentioned the penalty points he had quashed.

Why ruin the stone man by inserting the penalty points issue ?

Getting baked has nothing to do with this penalty point garbage, I'd say if you got away with it you would be a happy camper yourself, Ming is the future and the philosopher of intelligent happenings, good work Ming.

Don't mind that spacer upstairs talking about side-effects, i think s/he was changing the décor of the sitting room too many times and has got confused with all the changes.

Jumboman · 07-07-2014 5:40pm

http://www.tweetganic.com/a/349127

Cannabis could soon by available under prescription for MS patients, as legislation is finalised to make it legal, he Health Products Regulatory Authority has confirmed
CEO of the Health Products Regulatory Authority Pat O'Mahony said the authority had now finished examining the scientific merits of using cannabis to help ease symptoms of multiple sclerosis such as muscle spasms.
Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Sean O'Rourke, he said the policy-makers in the Department of Health are due to issue a revision to legislation to allow cannabis be available under prescription for MS sufferers.
He also said that next week the HPRA will publish a list of 12 active ingredients and medicines that should be available over the counter, instead of by prescription only.

ryanb5040 · 15-09-2014 3:22pm

Firstly id like to say that i am all for legalizing cannabis, as said before by many it would be a huge increase in the economy in Ireland, it would also improve the medical industry and tourism industry in our country. Now i'm not say that we should open up a cannabis distribution center in every county in Ireland but you have to think realistically, i know for a fact that many people who have already posted to this board partake in the use of alcohol, tobacco, and drugs be it recreational or medical needed. what is to stop people drinking half a bottle or jack Daniels on the lunch break, or smoking 15 smokes or doing a joint or even huffing paint thinner. the fact of the matter is that it is up the individual to be sensible and responsible. i cant tell my neighbor to stop drink anymore that he can tell me to stop smoking cigarettes. Moaning about the use of drugs is not useful. people need to get informed and do something about it. how would everyone feel if a loved one had cancer and used cannabis as a pain relief rather than morphine.

( a widely used pain killer derived from the poppy, and did you know that heroin was developed as a alternative to morphine in the 1800s and heroin is the number 1 most used drug in Ireland.)

cannabis has never and probably will never cause a person to die from use alone.

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ScumLord · 15-09-2014 3:34pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

How come the peace loving hippies who smoke dope don't seem to have a problem lining the pockets of the same organised criminals who traffic people across borders for the sex slave industry?

Why not wait until it's legal until you smoke it, instead of giving your money to gangsters?

Next time you're really stoned think about the poor teenage girls being raped nightly in Dublin by the same pimps supplying your peaceful, harmless plant.

It's always funny the way people spend the last few dozen pages answering these questions, everyone comes to their conclusions and then someone pops in with the exact same points kicking it off all over again.

The only way someone could still believe this kind of nonsense is if they have their head in the sand and just don't listen to anything other than the voice in their head.

Jumboman · 16-09-2014 1:32pm

Peter Hitchens thinks the Pro Cannabis people are covering up its side effects.

Correlation is not Causation. But it's also not not Causation. How today's Dope Apologists are just like Big Tobacco apologists 60 years ago.

You can't blame the Cannabis Comment Warriors for ceaselessly pointing out that 'correlation isn't causation' . They are desperate.

For they are in much the same position that Big Tobacco was in when it first became clear that cigarette smokers were becoming ill in large numbers. The correlation was there. The cause couldn't be proved. So, rather than admitting the risk, they reached for the most complacent possible answer, so delaying the general recognition of the truth for many years.

The modern campaigners for Big Dope - tantalisingly close as they are to legalization - fear this topic greatly. They know very well a) that many marijuana users become mentally ill , b) that mental illness itself is extremely hard to categorize objectively and c) that the mechanism by which they become ill is currently impossible to discover, and may remain so for many years. The same was true, for a long time, of the undoubted correlation between cigarette smoking and lung cancer, and the same claim was emplyed by Big Tobacco as is now being used by the people who hope to be Big Dope.

They are quite right to say that correlation is not necessarily evidence of causation. But they are less keen to admit the corollary.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/cannabis/

Kidchameleon · 16-09-2014 3:58pm

People who have latent mental ilness may take cannabis as a sort of self medication. This could explain the high mental ilness of canabis users.

I Heart Internet · 16-09-2014 4:04pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

People who have latent mental ilness may take cannabis as a sort of self medication. This could explain the high mental ilness of canabis users.

It doesn't though.

The latest report, published in the Lancet (the one that got headlines last week) stressed that results were controlled to take into account mental health issues.

People (in some cases) were made mentally unwell by using cannabis.

Cannabis does make some people mentally unwell, just like smoking tobacco makes some people get lung cancer.

ScumLord · 16-09-2014 4:08pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It doesn't though.

The latest report, published in the Lancet (the one that got headlines last week) stressed that results were controlled to take into account mental health issues.

People (in some cases) were made mentally unwell by using cannabis.

Yes, because as we all know the teenage years are usually the most stable times in a persons life. It's not like anything changes in their body around this time.

I'm not arguing kids shouldn't use drugs. This time in a persons life is the wrong time to start messing with the chemical balance of the body.

I Heart Internet · 16-09-2014 4:11pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes, because as we all know the teenage years are usually the most stable times in a persons life. It's not like anything changes in their body around this time.

I'm not arguing kids shouldn't use drugs. This time in a persons life is the wrong time to start messing with the chemical balance of the body.

I don't think there's ever a great time to be doing that.

kjl · 16-09-2014 4:11pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It doesn't though.

The latest report, published in the Lancet (the one that got headlines last week) stressed that results were controlled to take into account mental health issues.

People (in some cases) were made mentally unwell by using cannabis.

WHO CARES???? The fact is 1000's of people in Ireland smoke it. If it was legal it would generate tax revenue, it would have an age limit where it wouldn't be sold to kids under 18 and it would stop funding criminal gangs and it wouldn't be cut with glass to make it heavier.

On the whole the drug is virtually harmless and those who suffer from serious paranoia (i.e 1 in 6000) could be educated to simple not smoke this non addictive substance.

I don't drink, but I smoke cannabis about 4 times a week. Why do I have to commit a crime to smoke a harmless drug in my own house where I am not hurting anyone, but it's totally ok for me to go out, get off my face drunk, start fights, piss all over the streets.

There needs to be a change in policy right now

ScumLord · 16-09-2014 4:15pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I don't think there's ever a great time to be doing that.

You're entitled to believe that and if you don't want to use drugs don't. But don't let your fear limit other peoples ability to enjoy their lives doing something that has relatively zero harm to a grown adult.

I Heart Internet · 16-09-2014 4:16pm

kjl wrote: »

WHO CARES????

You and I obviously do, or we wouldn't be here. Policymakers should also.

kjl wrote: »

The fact is 1000's of people in Ireland smoke it. If it was legal it would generate tax revenue, it would have an age limit where it wouldn't be sold to kids under 18 and it would stop funding criminal gangs and it wouldn't be cut with glass to make it heavier.

I'm on record here as saying legalisation might be the way to go - but that doesn't resolve the real health implications of consuming cannabis.

kjl wrote: »

On the whole the drug is virtually harmless

This recent study disagrees: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/teen-cannabis-users-less-likely-to-finish-school-get-a-degree-1.1923398

kjl wrote: »

I don't drink, but I smoke cannabis about 4 times a week. Why do I have to commit a crime to smoke a harmless drug in my own house where I am not hurting anyone, but it's totally ok for me to go out, get off my face drunk, start fights, piss all over the streets.

If you're buying it then you're supporting criminals - it's not a harmless leisure pursuit. And it's never ok to start fights or piss all over streets.

looking_around · 16-09-2014 6:19pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Y

This recent study disagrees: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/teen-cannabis-users-less-likely-to-finish-school-get-a-degree-1.1923398
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virtually harmless to ADULTS.

CaptAdam · 16-09-2014 6:32pm

yes cannabis does not kill people, but it makes them extremely lazy and 'not bothered'. It turns young people off education and 'cannabis,cannabis,cannabis..' is all they think about all day long. You say that it would give the country an economical boost, yet legalising it would just add to the amount of people smoking it and more unemployment. All it would do is put this country in a worse way in my opinion.

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 7:47pm

Come fly with me, come fly come fly away.

A tamed and fully in control person of which is capable of tuning into the world of philosophy and enlightenment from the old ages of humanity. Yes, it has brought wisdom and amazing ideas to some folk back then, and today. It's not for everyone, but some folk enjoy the legendary herb on occasion. Ban alcohol and see the untamed wallow into tameness there-forth.

I find that it's not just 'cannabis' that can turn a person into a Dope (as sometimes said) It is certain strains of cannabis that can turn a person into a dope. Most folk in Ireland, or should I say the unlucky one's, smoke indica strains as this cannabis sort makes you sleepy and brain-relaxed. Sativa is the mind awakener and stimulates the mind regarding creative thought.

Too many folk smoke the indica and it can lower your motivation indeed, but can be beneficial for certain health related issues without tobacco.

renegademaster · 16-09-2014 7:56pm

kjl wrote: »

WHO CARES???? The fact is 1000's of people in Ireland smoke it. If it was legal it would generate tax revenue, it would have an age limit where it wouldn't be sold to kids under 18 and it would stop funding criminal gangs and it wouldn't be cut with glass to make it heavier.

On the whole the drug is virtually harmless and those who suffer from serious paranoia (i.e 1 in 6000) could be educated to simple not smoke this non addictive substance.

I don't drink, but I smoke cannabis about 4 times a week. Why do I have to commit a crime to smoke a harmless drug in my own house where I am not hurting anyone, but it's totally ok for me to go out, get off my face drunk, start fights, piss all over the streets.

There needs to be a change in policy right now

there was a few weeks ago, the minister now has the power to allow the use of a controlled substance if it's in the public interest, so now GW pharmacy can and will extort insane amounts of money from MS sufferers to use their canabis extract even though ya can grow the very same at home for 10% of the cost!!

con___manx1 · 16-09-2014 8:47pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

How come the peace loving hippies who smoke dope don't seem to have a problem lining the pockets of the same organised criminals who traffic people across borders for the sex slave industry?

Why not wait until it's legal until you smoke it, instead of giving your money to gangsters?

Next time you're really stoned think about the poor teenage girls being raped nightly in Dublin by the same pimps supplying your peaceful, harmless plant.

you read the papers too much. the average weed dealer is a normal joe soap : )
nothing to do with gangsters or the sex slave industry.

Jumboman · 16-09-2014 8:59pm

con___manx1 wrote: »

you read the papers too much. the average weed dealer is a normal joe soap : )
nothing to do with gangsters or the sex slave industry.

By smoking hash you are supporting the likes of John Gilligan.

byhookorbycrook · 16-09-2014 9:24pm

Jumboman wrote: »

http://www.tweetganic.com/a/349127

The cannabis mentioned here is actually a cannabis based drug, not cannabis itself. Sativex has been made legal here but is likely to be quite expensive.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cannabis-medicine-allowed-for-ms-patients-274619.html

Jumboman · 16-09-2014 9:27pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The cannabis mentioned here is actually a cannabis based drug, not cannabis itself. Sativex has been made legal here but is likely to be quite expensive.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cannabis-medicine-allowed-for-ms-patients-274619.html

Will that be available to people on the medical card ?

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 9:49pm

Jumboman wrote: »

Will that be available to people on the medical card ?

Interesting question, but there is not much information on this prescription scenario at this time, in regards to who can get it on medical card.

7 Things You Need To Know About Sativex

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/03/08/7-things-need-know-sativex/

In New Zealand, an average annual prescription of Sativex costs about $16,000 (US). Likewise, according to Professor Gavin Giovannoni of The London School of Medicine, Sativex has “not been proven to be cost-effective” in the UK, which has led a large number of MS patients to continue using illegal forms of cannabis.

PopePalpatine · 16-09-2014 9:55pm

Jumboman wrote: »

Peter Hitchens thinks the Pro Cannabis people are covering up its side effects.

Of course, Peter Hitchens is the bastion of reason, especially if it comes to foreigners, gays, left-wingers and non-Christians.

16-09-2014 9:56pm

I presume it is available on the medical card if you are suffering from MS.

con___manx1 · 16-09-2014 10:16pm

Jumboman wrote: »

By smoking hash you are supporting the likes of John Gilligan.

yes gilligan and the likes do sell weed and god knows where the proceeds go.but there are hundreds of small dealers across the country who grow a few plants in there house and sell to friends and people they work with and so on.people with very respectable jobs do it on the side.you would be very surprised.

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 10:25pm

con___manx1 wrote: »

yes gilligan and the likes do sell weed and god knows where the proceeds go.but there are hundreds of small dealers across the country who grow a few plants in there house and sell to friends and people they work with and so on.people with very respectable jobs do it on the side.you would be very surprised.

The only problem with these folk (in a lot of cases amateurs) is that they put chemicals into the soil constantly and don't flush it out properly near the end of flowering. That's why there is nothing but bad cannabis herb going around.

If these folk grew the plants naturally under good lighting they don't need the miracle-grow and other chemicals. It would be a lot safer to steer clear of most street/home-grown cannabis, unless you know a professional natural grower. Don't even mention Hash, my old socks are probably mixed in there as well as half the rubber in Ireland.

Glock Lesnar · 16-09-2014 10:41pm

The thing about the legalisation movement is that anyone who's interested enough in smoking weed to start such a movement is probably the last person anyone with a more balanced perspective would want as an advocate

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 10:43pm

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

The thing about the legalisation movement is that anyone who's interested enough in smoking weed to start such a movement is probably the last person anyone with a more balanced perspective would want as an advocate

In your opinion only.

More balanced while an alcohol drinker ? even.

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 10:49pm

You can't just walk into a field or forest and pick up a pint of beer and drink it. In regards to cannabis, you can walk into many a field or a small forest area and pick a leaf from a naturally growing plant of nature and smoke it or make tea if that is a persons liking without the hands of man having to concoct said herb, as is done with alcohol.

wiseoldelf34 · 16-09-2014 10:51pm

do you guys still have the legalize group?

Bongalongherb · 16-09-2014 10:55pm

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

do you guys still have the legalize group?

No, Ming fecked it up when he went to Brussels.

wiseoldelf34 · 16-09-2014 10:59pm

Bongalongherb wrote: »

No, Ming fecked it up when he went to Brussels.

that's a shame .would have liked to help out in some way if i could

rowanh · 16-09-2014 10:59pm

Jumboman wrote: »

By smoking hash you are supporting the likes of John Gilligan.

If you support drugs being criminalised then you are supporting the murder of tens of thousands of people every year.

Id like someone to give a good reason why people should not be able to grow a few cannabis plants for personal use any more than they shouldnt be able to brew a bit of beer.

Bongalongherb · 17-09-2014 12:20am

Good point ^.

And alcohol being a more detrimental substance affecting the human brain regarding violence for many people while intoxicated, and it's free for all in Ireland. Just look at every friday and saturday night/morning... it's like a zoo of zombie monkey's jumping and falling and hitting their heads on things, or off other people, and this is accepted by most folk as tolerant and good craic in Ireland ?.

Get them all stoned after a few pints and the only thing on their mind will be the munchies, end of. FIN.

A more placid relaxing community of drinkers smoked into the euphoria of enlightenment of bakedness enjoying their half-pounder with cheese etc... laughing and enjoying the craic, instead of going alcohol mental crazy.

ScumLord · 17-09-2014 4:13pm

Bongalongherb wrote: »

You can't just walk into a field or forest and pick up a pint of beer and drink it. In regards to cannabis, you can walk into many a field or a small forest area and pick a leaf from a naturally growing plant of nature and smoke it or make tea if that is a persons liking without the hands of man having to concoct said herb, as is done with alcohol.

You can't really, first of all the plant only produces the drug a certain time of year during its flowering cycle, leaf won't do anything for you it's the flower you need and I don't think it would work as a tea. Cannabis is essentially an oil that needs to be heated to work as a drug. If you eat a cannabis bud you wouldn't get high.

You also have to interrupt the natural cycle of the plant to get the best effect, if it gets pollinated it's still possible to get high off it but it ends up being pretty weak as the plant puts it's energy into producing seeds. The big buds we've become used to are a plant desperately trying to catch some pollen so it can produce seed.

wiseoldelf34 · 17-09-2014 5:26pm

its a beautiful and amazing plant.
seeing a healthy glistening flowering girl is a sight to behold

Lucy and Harry · 17-09-2014 5:30pm

Originally Posted by Bongalongherb View Post
You can't just walk into a field or forest and pick up a pint of beer and drink it. In regards to cannabis, you can walk into many a field or a small forest area and pick a leaf from a naturally growing plant of nature and smoke it or make tea if that is a persons liking without the hands of man having to concoct said herb, as is done with alcohol.

You can walk into a field around this time of year and eat magic mushrooms.God made them so they cant be wrong.

I think it should be legal to get this drug therefore you know what you are getting (no soap bars) and also the government can make some cash selling it instead of drug dealers.The war on drugs has been a world wide failure. We need to try letting the government sell it like they allow alcohol and cigs.

Potatoeman · 17-09-2014 5:33pm

ScumLord wrote: »

You can't really, first of all the plant only produces the drug a certain time of year during its flowering cycle, leaf won't do anything for you it's the flower you need and I don't think it would work as a tea. Cannabis is essentially an oil that needs to be heated to work as a drug. If you eat a cannabis bud you wouldn't get high.

You also have to interrupt the natural cycle of the plant to get the best effect, if it gets pollinated it's still possible to get high off it but it ends up being pretty weak as the plant puts it's energy into producing seeds. The big buds we've become used to are a plant desperately trying to catch some pollen so it can produce seed.

If you eat a bud you would get high. Its the thc that has the effect. The female produces the flower and it produces more thc to attract bees until polinated. Thats why they only grow female plants as it maximises the thc levels.

ScumLord · 17-09-2014 5:40pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

If you eat a bud you would get high. Its the thc that has the effect. The female produces the flower and it produces more thc to attract bees until polinated. Thats why they only grow female plants as it maximises the thc levels.

It would be a complete waste, you won't get as high as you could off that amount of cannabis. Cannabis has to be heated to release it's full potential. To make hash it has to be heated and put under pressure, when putting it in food it needs to be heated in some form of an oil to get the best effects.

wiseoldelf34 · 17-09-2014 5:43pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

If you eat a bud you would get high. Its the thc that has the effect. The female produces the flower and it produces more thc to attract bees until polinated. Thats why they only grow female plants as it maximises the thc levels.

you have to dissolve it first no?
in milk or butter didn't know you could just eat it raw

iPaddyM · 25-01-2015 11:19am

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

do you guys still have the legalize group?

Do you know about NORML ?

From the website;

Who are we?
We are a non-partisan, non-profit organisation working for more research into the benefits of the uses of the cannabis plant for all purposes. We aim to provide a support network to those seeking the normalisation of cannabis consumption and to influence a positive transformation to laws enabling responsible medical, recreational & industrial uses in the Republic of Ireland.

I'm the webmaster director for NORML Ireland. NORML Ireland had its first public meeting in June last year. This meeting was to establish 12 new board positions with the organisation. This does not include the founding board positions which Luke Ming Flanagan, Kevin Higgins, Pat Fitzpatrick, Stuart Clark, Dr Cathal Ó Súiliobháin and Dr Garrett McGovern are on.

Here are the board;

Director – Ciarán Maher
Treasurer/Membership – Mici Mulcreevy
Webmaster – Paddy Murphy
Social Media – Cormac McMahon
Community Outreach – Brian Rogan
Medical – Emmett Smith
Legal Research – Glenn Ward
Events – Johnny Keenan
Graphic Design – Johnny Hannon
Hemp – Thomas O’Connor
NORML PAC – Kevin Higgins
Film/Photo Committee – Paul Roban & Sean O'Hara

For more information please visit our website (www.norml.ie) and our new community forum (http://www.forum.norml.ie)

Regards,

Paddy

Podge88 · 27-01-2023 2:18pm

Still hasn't happened 🙄

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