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FuzzyDunlop100 · 13-10-2014 11:30AM

lxflyer wrote: »

I would think that is the whole point of choosing Dublin.

Along with being able to tap into Aer Lingus's europe-wide feeder network

Jamie2k9 · 13-10-2014 03:31PM

man98 wrote: »

If EI never objected, they mustn't be too arsed over SFO expansion…

They did object but not because of ET being allowed to sell tickets between DUB-LAX. They objected because the airline wasn't under EU or US regulations.

BuffyBot · 13-10-2014 10:15PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Why did they grant them the 5th freedom rights? I would have thought that EI would have objected as this is setting a precedent that the Middle East big boys might like to follow.

They may have done, but the government can't play special favourites to EI these days. With other airlines being granted fifth freedom rights in other states they would have to have some pretty good reasons not to. Throw in the fact that route growth and extra traffic in general is an economic win, it always seemed likely to be a given.

I also sincerely hope that they hold passenger passports and hand them over in a large envelope to Irish Immigration, this would certainly be the best way to ensure that the aircrafts toilets do not get blocked!

What a pile of twaddle. Should Turkish, Emirates and Ethiad do the same? After all, they yield significant traffic from that continent into Dublin as it is. Or should Ethiopian be singled out because it's "African"?

smurfjed · 13-10-2014 11:01PM

What a pile of twaddle.

So you are trying to tell me that you have never seen this being done?

Fred Swanson · 13-10-2014 11:02PM

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Tenger · 14-10-2014 12:31AM

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

Along with being able to tap into Aer Lingus's europe-wide feeder network

Can't see that being an option without a codeshare deal. Why go to Western most country in EU to then head East?

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murphaph wrote: »

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

In a similar can't really see them getting too much traffic doing Europe-DUB and then DUB-LAX on 2 seperate tickets. And can't see EI doing a deal with ET to allow seamless transfers onto the DUB-LAX flight when they have their own DUB-SFO, or even their DUB-ORD/JFK-LAX route via United/Jetblue.

murphaph · 14-10-2014 06:36AM

Tenger wrote: »

Can't see that being an option without a codeshare deal. Why go to Western most country in EU to then head East?

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

smurfjed · 14-10-2014 10:35AM

Do any airlines hold passengers passports like that?

Yes, it used to be a lot more common before APIS, as the airline was subject to heavy fines by some countries, this lead to airlines either holding the passports or photocopying them in order to avoid having them flushed down the toilets.

FuzzyDunlop100 · 14-10-2014 10:55AM

murphaph wrote: »

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

I did mean that!

By all accounts Aer Lingus are doing a superb job in selling Dublin as a viable hub instead of Heathrow/CDG/Frankfurt when travelling to the USA.

So Ethiopian can tap into that market, and they'll be the first to fly from Dublin to LAX (can't imagine Aer Lingus are too impressed with having their eye wiped like that).

Granted there's no codeshare between Aer Lingus & Ethiopian, but given how easy it is for consumers to mix & match travel arrangements, I can't see that being an issue.

murphaph · 14-10-2014 11:43AM

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

So Ethiopian can tap into that market, and they'll be the first to fly from Dublin to LAX (can't imagine Aer Lingus are too impressed with having their eye wiped like that).

Hmmm, I am pretty sure I flew LAX-DUB in 2000 with EI.

gordongekko · 14-10-2014 11:45AM

murphaph wrote: »

Hmmm, I am pretty sure I flew LAX-DUB in 2000 with EI.

He means going forward they will be the first to fly the route.

BuffyBot · 14-10-2014 02:30PM

smurfjed wrote: »

So you are trying to tell me that you have never seen this being done?

I asked you a question first

smurfjed · 14-10-2014 04:58PM

Should Turkish, Emirates and Ethiad do the same?

I guess that this is your question...

Each airline has to do its own risk assessment regarding delivering passengers into a jurisdiction with the correct paperwork in order to avoid getting fined. I know of at least one airline that holds passports of people traveling from certain "high risk" countries whilst the passengers are onboard the flight, the passports are handed over in an envelope at the destination. The airlines listed above might be happy with their ability to assess paperwork prior to departure and they do actually recheck the paperwork in their home bases prior to the onward journey.

Based on the corruption associated with visas/passports in Ethiopia, I wouldn't be happy that the required checks will be 100% effective prior to departure.

I would also like to see Irish immigration greeting passengers at the door of selected flights and checking documents prior to allowing them step onto Irish soil, this is exactly the process that is presently in operation in France and Germany for flights arriving from certain countries.

Fred Swanson · 14-10-2014 05:06PM

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BuffyBot · 14-10-2014 08:43PM

I guess that this is your question...

So basically, yes, because they are African. Is it coz I is black?

Ethiopan operate satisfactorily to other EU destinations. There is no evidence that Dublin would be any different.

I have had my passport checked at the door of the plane when arriving in Frankfurt from Turkey. I assume this is a common practice?

I've had it happen in various countries over the years

smurfjed · 14-10-2014 09:19PM

Is it coz I is black?

Wow.... didn't expect this discussion to descend to that level.....

BuffyBot · 14-10-2014 09:30PM

Well you put forward a theory with little evidence to back it up...so in the absence of that, what should a body think?

smurfjed · 14-10-2014 09:41PM

Speculations abound regarding what might have prompted the copilot to attempt such a brazen escape. Hailemehdin is not unique in seeking to exit his home country; the latest data from UNHCR found that in the first half of 2013, nearly 42,000 people sought asylum from Ethiopia. This could have something to do with with fear of persecution; Ethiopian security forces have been criticized for committing human rights abuses against anti-government activists and religious or ethnic minorities. Poverty is another issue, with at least one-fourth of the population living below the poverty line. http://www.ibtimes.com/hailemedhin-abera-tegegn-who-ethiopian-airlines-hijacker-why-was-he-desperate-asylum-1556121

So you don't think that precautions should be taken?

The top three countries of origin are Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia. In Ireland, we get refugees from all over the world but the most frequent countries of origin are China, Nigeria, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/information-and-referral-service/faqs-about-asylum

LXFlyer · 14-10-2014 09:47PM

We are talking about an airline that is a member of Star Alliance here?

Hardly in the same league as some other African companies.

15-10-2014 02:32AM

I was wondering where the "dem durty immigrints and dere durty immigrint planez" argument would rear its ugly head. Thought it would be in AH to be honest.

Smurfjed, I presume you think the UKIP is a good thing then......

owenc · 15-10-2014 07:27AM

Could please say what passports have got to do with aviation??????

eatmyshorts · 15-10-2014 08:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was wondering where the "dem durty immigrints and dere durty immigrint planez" argument would rear its ugly head. Thought it would be in AH to be honest.

Smurfjed, I presume you think the UKIP is a good thing then......

The usual wail of the tree hugging left. Anyone who mentions any concern about immigration is automatically branded and fascist bigot.
Freedom of speech, but only if you agree with the left's looney ideas.

eatmyshorts · 15-10-2014 08:10AM

owenc wrote: »

Could please say what passports have got to do with aviation??????

Quite a lot, actually.
Passengers board with their passport, then before disembarking, they destroy them and flush them down the toilet. Therefore, immigration authorities at the port if arrival cannot prove from what jurisdiction the passenger is from, and have major troubles deporting them back due to the hysterical whinging of the left wing do-gooders.

Tenger · 15-10-2014 09:05AM

Can we all agree that historically there has been a problem with immigration via airports and the issue of pax doing their best to ensure they cannot be deported? This is not solely reserved to pax originating from Africa.

Now we have a direct service there exists the possibility of similar occurances. I'm sure that the DAA and Gardai are aware of this issue and will take steps to close only loopholes. And you can be damn sure that the US CBP setup will be pretty strict with any breach of their protocols. With CBP being involved it is no longer as simple as 10 yrs ago when you could hide in the Pier A toilets until the immigration officers go home at 11pm.

owenc · 15-10-2014 10:51AM

eatmyshorts wrote: »

Quite a lot, actually.
Passengers board with their passport, then before disembarking, they destroy them and flush them down the toilet. Therefore, immigration authorities at the port if arrival cannot prove from what jurisdiction the passenger is from, and have major troubles deporting them back due to the hysterical whinging of the left wing do-gooders.

A yeah but this is the announcement of a new route to Los Angles not the illegal immigration of Africans.

owenc · 15-10-2014 10:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was wondering where the "dem durty immigrints and dere durty immigrint planez" argument would rear its ugly head. Thought it would be in AH to be honest.

Smurfjed, I presume you think the UKIP is a good thing then......

I would say that the United Kingdom Independence Party would be of no concern of anyone in the Republic of Ireland.

lord lucan · 15-10-2014 01:07PM

Can we draw a line under the politics and historical aspects,there's other forums for that if you wish to take it forward.

Fred Swanson · 15-10-2014 01:22PM

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owenc · 15-10-2014 04:44PM

I don't know what they think they would be getting in UK or Ireland by staying illegally. I don't think these people realise that living here is no good without any money as you will still end up living on the streets or in a shack.

lord lucan · 15-10-2014 05:12PM

owenc wrote: »

I don't know what they think they would be getting in UK or Ireland by staying illegally. I don't think these people realise that living here is no good without any money as you will still end up living on the streets or in a shack.

You thanked my post asking people to move on from the off topic discussion but take it off topic yourself!! Can we just drop the asylum seekers talk.

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