Hard left

17-11-2014 06:02PM #1

Genuine question what do the hard left in Irish politics want too happen

I know all the usual stereotype of tax the rich etc but that's just a stereotype and there has to be more to it that that, or are they just a collection of protesters with no real policies.

Banjo String · 17-11-2014 06:04PM

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duckcfc · 17-11-2014 06:05PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Genuine question what do the hard left in Irish politics want too happy.

I know all the usual stereotype of tax the rich etc but that's just a stereotype and there has to be more to it that that, or are they just a collection of protesters with no real policies.

If you like your government raping you, continue to vote for right wing or close to it. If you want a fair system for everyone then left is the way to go. Sadly were all a bunch of greedy fcukers so we'll always be left with the capitalists

retalivity · 17-11-2014 06:08PM

Have you ever accidentally the whole thing?

17-11-2014 06:08PM

duckcfc wrote: »

If you like your government raping you, continue to vote for right wing or close to it. If you want a fair system for everyone then left is the way to go. Sadly were all a bunch of greedy fcukers so we'll always be left with the capitalists

I would be left(ish) in my views but not too the extreme, what would happen if the people before profit was running the country for example.

I know what left wing politics is but I am talking specifically about Irish politics.

Davarus Walrus · 17-11-2014 06:09PM

I'd always recommend a book called The Lost Revolution: The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party, for an account of the development of the far left in Ireland. It shows how some on those on the left ended up becoming Tanaiste, while others are still gibbering on about 'the trots' and class revolution.

Most of them are just frustrated malcontents. Should be treated with the same contempt as those on the far right.

Stheno · 17-11-2014 06:09PM

Do we actually have a hard left political movement in this country?

Insect Overlord · 17-11-2014 06:11PM

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Rightwing · 17-11-2014 06:11PM

Left want everything kept in public ownership. Most think this is good, but:

Just look at the airline industry and ask youself was it good when Aer Lingus owned everything and charged £500 to go to London. Or the big bad private companies like Ryanair charging you €30.

Galwayguy35 · 17-11-2014 06:11PM

I hope the day never comes where Paul Murphy is in power.

Davarus Walrus · 17-11-2014 06:11PM

duckcfc wrote: »

If you like your government raping you, continue to vote for right wing or close to it. If you want a fair system for everyone then left is the way to go. Sadly were all a bunch of greedy fcukers so we'll always be left with the capitalists

Stop using rape as a verb to make your point. It adds a real hint of malice to an argument that would otherwise be seen as merely misguided.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-11-2014 06:12PM

Stheno wrote: »

Do we actually have a hard left political movement in this country?

You must be joking. Of course we don't.

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 06:15PM

Stheno wrote: »

Do we actually have a hard left political movement in this country?

There are loads..... Way more than on the far right.

Eirigi
The Communist Party
Fís Nua (kind of)
AAA/SP
PBP
Workers Party
Shinners (depending on populist mood at the given moment)
United Left

fxotoole · 17-11-2014 06:15PM

mariaalice wrote: »

are they just a collection of protesters with no real policies.

Yes.

Laura Palmer · 17-11-2014 06:18PM

Daxton Abundant Bump wrote: »

You must be joking. Of course we don't.

I think there definitely is: People Before Profit, United Left Alliance, The Socialist Party, SF is very left-wing, Eirigí.
Whether people take them seriously or not, they're there, and commanding support - particularly with Irish Water.

My views are left of centre but I find a lot of the above too extremist.

Rightwing · 17-11-2014 06:21PM

Laura Palmer wrote: »

I think there definitely is: People Before Profit, United Left Alliance, The Socialist Party, SF is very left-wing, Eirigí.
Whether people take them seriously or not, they're there, and commanding support - particularly with Irish Water.

My views are left of centre but I find a lot of the above too extremist.

True. FF would probably appeal to you, increase welfare/OAP/PS wages every year.

downonthefarm · 17-11-2014 06:21PM

Aww was expecting to see see a video of some gimp getting a king hit
disappointed now :-(

Laura Palmer · 17-11-2014 06:22PM

Rightwing wrote: »

True. FF would probably appeal to you

Not a fooking chance! :pac:

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 06:23PM

Laura Palmer wrote: »

Whether people take them seriously or not, they're there, and commanding support -

Not really though

Exclude the Shinners (who are probably too close to the centre to be really hard left).... The combined 1st preference vote of my listed far-left parties was a paltry 3.6% at the locals.

In the much vaunted 'referendum on austerity' in May....... Just 3.6%.

Laura Palmer · 17-11-2014 06:26PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Not really though

Exclude the Shinners (who are probably too close to the centre to be really hard left).... The combined 1st preference vote of my listed far-left parties was a paltry 3.6% at the locals.

In the much vaunted 'referendum on austerity in May'.... Just 3.6%.

Oh yeh, what I mean is, there is a hard-left movement - even if it's not going to be winning elections.
It was my response to people questioning that there is such a movement. There definitely is IMO.

curioser · 17-11-2014 06:34PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I'd always recommend a book called The Lost Revolution: The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party, for an account of the development of the far left in Ireland. It shows how some on those on the left ended up becoming Tanaiste, while others are still gibbering on about 'the trots' and class revolution.

Most of them are just frustrated malcontents. Should be treated with the same contempt as those on the far right.

Second this.
Fascinating reading and good background to the evolution of what is now the Labour Party. IIRC it details a conference of Democratic Left where Kathleen Lynch called Eric Byrne a "guttie" (both now Labour TD's).
Also stories about current prominent Labour TD's attending camps and the like in East Germany and Cuba that were nothing but glorified knocking shops - great gas.

Rightwing · 17-11-2014 06:34PM

the har left represents a massive problem for Dublin, They are putting so much of the country's resources into Dublin, and this is where the hard left are strongest.

Generic Dreadhead · 17-11-2014 06:43PM

retalivity wrote: »

Have you ever accidentally the whole thing?

I LOL'd at this :pac:

Donkey Oaty · 17-11-2014 06:43PM

We need a Juche-Hoxhaist to stand against these lame excuses for socialists.

Dickie10 · 17-11-2014 07:04PM

i often ask myself the same question, what exactly do the like of the socalists want? im a part time sheep and suckler farmer and a full time teacher, though if u break down my working hours i do about 25 hrs work on the farm a week when school is in term . in summer im full time farming only, with a very odd day of building/construction labouring for a bit of "fun money" eg galway races or holiday in sun.

Thing im constantly asking myself is where should i stand politically to protect my livlihood? my family is traditionally FF, i personally vote either FF or FG as most people i know that are strong FF/FG voters or party members are decent hard working and seem well rounded individualss with the same principles and values as myself ie hard work rewarded, indivdiual entrepenuership, the family farm, small local businessess being rewarded for their risk taking and adventure in business and giving employment.

The i here these socalists and sinn fein on about the elite and the rich and taxing to the hilt, what do they want exactly, for someone to come out of scholl with absolutly no drive or determination to work hard and succeed? what do we do all go straight into supermacs or a factory and start working for minimum wage? within a generation we would be all just workers with no brilliant minds such as Tony Oreilly, Micheal Oleary, Sean Quinn.

In school i always tell my 6th years when the last few classes of school come around to always be dilligent and hard working no matter what point they get in the LC,. hard work and good work ethic, communication skills and the drive to believe you can be anything you want through hard work will be rewarded at least thats what i always believed this country to be about and as i tell the yound adults in my class, that applys to overseas as well as ireland, more so perhaps because emigration is a constant in this country and always will be.

i really would be worried for this nation if hard left got to government, luckily though i belive that they are very much a loud minority. They have virtually no support in rural ireland or most parts of middle class urban ireland, as in South county Dublin, Howth, Sutton, Castleknock etc
Therefore i believe in FF/FG and Labour who have actually surprised me this term in how un left they have become.

Donkey Oaty · 17-11-2014 07:07PM

May I ask what subject you teach, Dickie?

KomradeBishop · 17-11-2014 07:12PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

There are loads..... Way more than on the far right.

Eirigi
The Communist Party
Fís Nua (kind of)
AAA/SP
PBP
Workers Party
Shinners (depending on populist mood at the given moment)
United Left

Interesting - I've never heard of Fís Nua before, and their policies are extremely interesting; they present a number of very sensible policies (a ton that I advocate myself), for resolving the economic crisis, and preventing future ones - and even taking into consideration, issues with future climate change.

Do people take issue with many of that parties policies?

BigBrownBear · 17-11-2014 07:19PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

There are loads..... Way more than on the far right.

Eirigi
The Communist Party
Fís Nua (kind of)
AAA/SP
PBP
Workers Party
Shinners (depending on populist mood at the given moment)
United Left

The Workers Party are virtually non existent these days, same with the Communist Party of Ireland
Sinn Fein probably have more members than all the others combined(not a member btw)

Nino Brown · 17-11-2014 07:23PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I know all the usual stereotype of tax the rich etc but that's just a stereotype and there has to be more to it that that, or are they just a collection of protesters with no real policies.

To me they are a bunch of selfish people with a huge sense of entitlement. They protest taxes and spending cuts. They don't want to pay for what they use, but they are okay with our children paying for it. They think everything is a "right".
This country is still running 6-7 billion euro deficits, we are borrowing to pay for what we have already, so we are basically forcing the next generation to pay for our services, and their own.
I have no problem with people protesting water charges, if they have an alternative, like cutting social welfare or health expenditure, but they don't want that either. So the next time they want to get together and protest they should send a few people down to the local primary and secondary schools to explain to the next generation why they should be paying for the water and social welfare, and houses, of this generation.

17-11-2014 07:30PM

I looked up Paul Murphy our of curiosity its interesting( nothing against him personality) and its all about protesting anything from a high speed train in Italy to the shell to sea campaign its all anti anti everything, plus a lot of the modern ones seem to come form very middle class backgrounds which they are rejecting and it all seemes very Dublin centred.

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