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Reasons feminism is still relevant *READ OP BEFORE POSTING*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Seriously is there some factory out there that mint these muppets?:
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/if-you-tease-youre-partially-responsible-bbc-presenters-controversial-comments-in-debate-over-convicted-rapist-ched-evans-30757678.html

    Lovin this bit:
    He argued women should be “more aware” of men’s sexual desires and claimed: “When you're in that position that you are about to engage in sexual activity there's a huge amount of energy in the male body, there's a huge amount of will and intent”
    :rolleyes:

    And this gem...
    It is “very difficult for many men to say no when they are whipped up into a bit of a storm”, he continued. "And it's the old adage about if you yank a dog's tale then don't be surprised when it bites you.

    Doing a disservice to both men and women with Sh**e like that.


  • Moderators Posts: 52,004 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    CNN Host To Accuser: Why Didn’t You Bite Cosby’s Penis To End Rape?

    CNN's Don Lemon took it upon himself Tuesday night to explain how a woman who accused actor Bill Cosby of rape could have avoided the situation -- explicitly, that she should have used her teeth as a weapon.

    Lemon sat down Tuesday night with Joan Tarshis, a former actress who said this week that Cosby raped her in 1969. The two had this extremely awkward exchange:
    LEMON: Can I ask you this, and please, I don't mean to be crude, OK?

    TARSHIS: Yeah.

    LEMON: Because I know some of you, and you said this last night, that he -- you lied to him and said "I have an infection, and if you rape me, or if you have intercourse with me, then you will probably get it and give it to your wife."

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: And you said he made you perform oral sex.

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: You know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn't want to do it.

    TARSHIS: Oh. I was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that didn't even enter my mind. Now I wish it would have.

    LEMON: Meaning the using of the teeth, right?

    TARSHIS: Mmhmm. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking you're --

    LEMON: As a weapon.

    TARSHIS: Yeah, I didn't even think of it.

    LEMON: Biting.

    TARSHIS: Ouch.

    LEMON: I had to ask.

    TARSHIS: No, it didn't cross my mind.

    "you didn't fight back hard enough, so you must have wanted it" nonsense :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭Yarf Yarf


    Sounds eerily like the "you can't get pregnant from rape! the body has ways of shutting that down!" nonsense from a while back.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yarf Yarf wrote: »
    Sounds eerily like the "you can't get pregnant from rape! the body has ways of shutting that down!" nonsense from a while back.

    Mitt Romney. I feel that whoever uses this quote has an obligation to cite his name at the end lest people forget what an ignorant creep he is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Mitt Romney. I feel that whoever uses this quote has an obligation to cite his name at the end lest people forget what an ignorant creep he is.

    Wasn't it Todd Akin?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Mitt Romney. I feel that whoever uses this quote has an obligation to cite his name at the end lest people forget what an ignorant creep he is.

    *Puts on fact-checking hat*

    No, that was Todd Akin, and not Mitt "Binders full of women" Romney.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Links234 wrote: »
    *Puts on fact-checking hat*

    No, that was Todd Akin, and not Mitt "Binders full of women" Romney.

    Hmm.... Could have sworn it was the other moron. Anyway, that's me told.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Semele


    Truck decals featuring bound and gagged women are a thing, apparently

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2842292/Pick-truck-shocking-kidnap-bumper-sticker-featuring-woman-bound-gagged-sparks-police-probe.html

    Apologies for the DM link but this really disgusts me. I get that's it's not an offence and I certainly wouldn't want everything in the world legislated about, but I cannot get my head round the fact that anywhere produces and sells these as decorative items. What kind of a person sees that and thinks "ooh, that looks good/sexy/hilarious, I'll have one of them"?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Semele wrote: »
    Truck decals featuring bound and gagged women are a thing, apparently

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2842292/Pick-truck-shocking-kidnap-bumper-sticker-featuring-woman-bound-gagged-sparks-police-probe.html

    Apologies for the DM link but this really disgusts me. I get that's it's not an offence and I certainly wouldn't want everything in the world legislated about, but I cannot get my head round the fact that anywhere produces and sells these as decorative items. What kind of a person sees that and thinks "ooh, that looks good/sexy/hilarious, I'll have one of them"?

    its a joke, a sad one, but a joke.......just as frankie boyle makes numerous disgusting jokes and people find them funny

    I wouldnt have it on my own car, but i wouldnt get worked up over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Semele


    Roquentin wrote: »
    its a joke, a sad one, but a joke.......just as frankie boyle makes numerous disgusting jokes and people find them funny

    I wouldnt have it on my own car, but i wouldnt get worked up over it.

    Thanks for the input, but I'm not getting worked up over anything. I saw the article and it made me think of this relevant thread.

    I already said that I agree it's not, and shouldn't be, a crime. I have a pretty dark and un-PC sense of humour myself and I don't get offended by anything and everything. I don't think this sticker is funny though and that is just my opinion, which I haven't been militant about nor have I said that people shouldn't be allowed to find it so. To me a dark or potentially offensive joke is something that is clever, or multi-layered, or is based in exposing a presumption/stereotype that the listener holds. Something that is just outrageous for the sake of being outrageous, with no deeper commentary or significance, isn't a joke. It's just stupid and tasteless, IMO.

    I get really sick of the "it's just a joke" defence that is used so often as a silencing tactic. I'm allowed to not find something funny and to discuss it in an appropriate forum without being told not to make a big deal of it- that's what this thread is for surely?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Semele wrote: »
    Thanks for the input, but I'm not getting worked up over anything. I saw the article and it made me think of this relevant thread.

    I already said that I agree it's not, and shouldn't be, a crime. I have a petty dark and un-PC sense of humour myself and I don't get offended by anything and everything. I don't think this sticker is funny though and that is just my opinion, which I haven't been militant about nor have I said that people shouldn't be allowed to find it so.

    I get really sick of the "it's just a joke" defence that is used so often as a silencing tactic. I'm allowed to not find something funny and to discuss it in an appropriate forum without being told not to make a big deal of it- that's what this thread is for surely?

    that you are discussing it on a thread, means your making a big deal of it. ask yourself is your life really that boring that you have to resort to this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Roquentin wrote: »
    that you are discussing it on a thread, means your making a big deal of it. ask yourself is your life really that boring that you have to resort to this?
    Discussing something is not the same as making a big deal of something.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Discussing something is not the same as making a big deal of something.

    it is a sticker. there is more important things in the world. grow up people. stop targeting each and every insignificant happening in this world to pass time.

    go out and live a little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Semele


    Roquentin wrote: »
    it is a sticker. there is more important things in the world. grow up people. stop targeting each and every insignificant happening in this world to pass time.

    go out and live a little.

    You obviously missed the mod warning in the first post, specifically

    "Neither will there be a debate on the validity of a post within the remit of this thread i.e. "I need feminism because"

    I have no interest in discussing this with you.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mod

    Roquentin infracted for ignoring warning in OP.
    Do not post in this thread again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    http://www.irishtimes.com/minute-s-silence-for-78-murdered-women-and-10-murdered-children-1.2008809
    Women’s Aid are calling on the government to address the issue of intimate partner homicide as it holds a minute’s silence outside Leinster House to remember 78 women murdered by their partners or ex-partners since 1996.

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/over-half-women-murdered-ireland-4662375
    Since 1996, 204 women have been murdered in Ireland and terrifyingly, 127 of them were killed in their own homes.

    In the resolved cases, 78 women - of 53% of the victims - were murdered by a partner or ex-partner while another 52 were killed by someone they knew.

    An overwhelming 99% of the killers were male while just 1% were female.

    78 women over the last 18 years that is 4 a year,
    so every 3 months a woman is killed by her current or ex partner in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20141110151928-28522942-i-was-sexually-harassed-here-s-how-i-responded
    A few weeks ago I was so sick I needed to go to Urgent Care, where I was prescribed antibiotics to be filled at a local CVS.

    While in line at the pharmacy counter, I was ‘approached’ by a man. He spoke softly, so just a few of us could hear – me and possibly the old lady behind me.

    Him: (probably drunk, possibly high, not really steady on his feet) Hey girl, what’s up? How you doing?
    Me: (nothing)
    Him: How you feeling?
    Me: (hoping responding in a curt manner would cut off this little exchange) I’m in pain.
    Him: Awww, tell me where it hurt, girl. Maybe I can help.
    Me: (just looking at him, nonplussed)
    Him: (moving closer) Where does it hurt? Huh?
    Me: (continued silence, some eye-rolling)
    Him: (glancing towards my crotch) Bet it’s real nice down there, nice and soft…
    Me: (feeling increasingly uncomfortable)
    Him: (clearly referring to my vagina) Yeah, mmmm hmmmm…

    For those who know me, you know I’m not shy. In fact, I think most would classify me as a ‘strong woman.’ However, to be perfectly honest, at that moment I didn’t feel strong. It was after 10pm, I was tired, and after having been at Urgent Care alone, I just wanted to get home and to bed.

    Except there was this situation, standing right in front of me. If it were the subway, I’d get up and move; if a store, I’d move away. But in this case, I was stuck. I was in pain and needed the antibiotics.

    I was also having trouble grasping that this was going down in such a public place. It was a well-lit store with plenty of people around, yet I still felt threatened. As he continued to get closer and closer to me, I could feel my heart rate going up, my adrenaline spiking. I was also concerned because I felt like the situation was escalating. Unless I ‘did something,’ I didn’t know what would happen.

    Finally I did the only thing I could think to do:
    I named it.

    Me: (looking straight at him) This is harassment.
    Him: (silence, eyes darting around a bit)
    Me: (louder) What’s happening here is that you’re harassing me.
    Him: (silence, hurrying away)

    That was it. He left. Scurried away like the rat he was.

    I’d love to say this was my plan all along, that I knew exactly what I was doing. I’d like to say I had the whole thing orchestrated, that it was easy for me to determine what would make him leave me alone.

    But that’s not true. I didn’t have a plan. I didn’t know what to do. I just knew I had my dignity, and didn’t want someone taking it away without my consent.

    I think the people around me admired my response. The lady behind me nodded vigorously. The male pharmacists fulfilled my prescription in record time (the woman at the desk said it would be at least 10-15 minutes but the male pharmacist looked at me and said, “No, I’m going to do it right now.”)

    While I waited, with 1% battery left on my phone (not enough to call an Uber) I texted my male housemate: “At CVS by metro. Please come get me. Don’t feel safe walking home alone.” It was only four blocks to my house, but I didn’t know where the guy had gone or whether he had a weapon.

    Then, do you know what I did, big strong woman that I am, big, powerful, I-stand-up-for-myself-and-all-women woman?

    I cried.

    I popped my antibiotics and sank down against a wall and cried. I cried from relief that the situation was over and from sadness and anger that it ever happened in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,915 ✭✭✭✭Eeden




  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Scarinae


    Eeden wrote: »

    "You cannot tell them to go out and dig the soil. This is against their delicate nature."
    Ha, I should tell my Mum that - she spends most of her free time in the garden

    "I would kiss my mother's feet because they smelled of paradise. She would glance coyly and cry sometimes."
    Now that's just creepy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Eeden wrote: »

    "You cannot tell them to go out and dig the soil. This is against their delicate nature."

    Oopsie, I was just doing that at the weekend, prepping my raised beds. Guess I forgot about my delicate nature.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-sexually-assaulted-neighbour-while-child-lay-beside-her-has-suspended-sentence-increased-30770228.html
    A man who sexually assaulted his neighbour while her eight-year-old son lay in bed beside her has had his two-year suspended sentence increased following a successful appeal by the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    The 8 year old woke up and ran to get help...
    It's horrendous :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    Scarinae wrote: »
    "You cannot tell them to go out and dig the soil. This is against their delicate nature."
    Ha, I should tell my Mum that - she spends most of her free time in the garden

    "I would kiss my mother's feet because they smelled of paradise. She would glance coyly and cry sometimes."
    Now that's just creepy

    Haha! My gran was a land girl during the war, and did similar work post-war. She used to lay railway sleepers, then her kids would go and pinch the sleepers and chop them up for firewood. She had nine kids (unusual for a Protestant family in England) and had to work, having outlived her first husband and deserted by her second. I think her delicate nature is probably why she celebrated her 95th birthday last Wednesday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Morag wrote: »

    Fcuking hell.

    He moved away, which was awkward for him apparently, and of "benefit" to the victim (what a privilege to not have to see the man who sexually assaulted you around the neighbourhood, lucky her :rolleyes:), he was drunk at the time, and he's expressed some remorse: with some limitation, of course, because it's not like it's really his fault or anything. So a suspended sentence. Jesus Christ.

    If he'd masturbated with an eight year old in the room that'd be child sexual abuse (and I can well imagine the reactions to the "but I was drunk" defence in that case), but pinning the eight year old's mother to the bed and attempting to remove her clothes, telling her to "relax" because he was "nearly done" while she and her child were trying to stop him...that's in "the mid range" of sexual assault and worth a two or four year suspended sentence depending which judge you listen to. Wow.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Eeden wrote: »

    Only mothers, eh? Well, that must be just dandy for the infertile and unmarried women then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭Ectoplasm


    Morag wrote: »

    What the hell? Just what does a rapist have to do to actually serve time in this country? From the sounds of that report, even if one bought his ridiculous "I thought it was my partner" excuse, he was aware that the person he was with was resisting!

    He moved house which was a hardship? I seriously doubt that it was done for his victim's benefit.

    This actually disgusted and shocked me but I don't know why, because it seems a given now that rape and sexual assault result in insanely lenient sentences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/boy-17-had-sex-with-girl-13-at-sleepover-299596.html
    A 13-year-old girl at a sleepover to watch The X Factor woke to find a 17-year-old boy who lived in the house lying on top of her and having sexual intercourse with her.

    Daniel Buckley of Ellenville, Kilbrennan, Crookstown, Co Cork, now aged 20, was given a two-year jail sentence at Cork Circuit Criminal Court yesterday with the final 18 months suspended. He pleaded guilty to a charge of defilement of a child under the age of 15 by having sexual intercourse with her in December 2011.

    Judge Seán Ó Donnabháin said: “The age difference in years is not great but you were in fact assaulting a girl who was no more than a child. It was a very complete assault. It had a very detrimental effect on her. She does not want to be defined by the assault. It is undoubtedly an appalling event in her life.”

    The victim said: “My life changed after that night. I felt I could not face anyone. I found it difficult to go back to school. I had panic attacks. I felt very different to everyone else like I was the odd one out.”

    As well as the jail term and the suspended sentence Buckley’s name will be on the sex offenders register for seven years.

    He didn't have sex with her, he raped her. She woke up to find him raping her, why is it that they keep saying sex when it was rape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭allym


    Morag wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/boy-17-had-sex-with-girl-13-at-sleepover-299596.html



    He didn't have sex with her, he raped her. She woke up to find him raping her, why is it that they keep saying sex when it was rape.


    Pretty sure it's to do with him and her being under 18 when it happened? Defilement is the charge for rape against a child, instead of calling it rape. Not 100% sure of the ins and outs, but it was the same with the recent gang rape convictions, where they were charged with defilement, not rape.

    Which seems bizarre frankly, but I think that's the way the law is worded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Ambersky


    I think were still waiting to hear the boards legal teams advice on the semantics of this issue since the ending of the last thread where there was some difficulty about whether it could be called rape.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭LenaClaire


    Because, according to the police in Turkey, if you flirt with a guy and then reject him, it is likely to provoke him to rape you.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/26/world/europe/hungary-anti-rape-video-controversy/index.html?hpt=hp_c4


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