I induced a cow for first time tonight

Bodacious · 05-01-2015 11:29PM #1

Not a big fan of it but I went to vet tonight and got 20ml of rapidoxe (I think) and 2ml estrumate .. Within 36 hours she reckons .. Vaginal prolapse and I just want it out and stitch her ta hell .. 287 days today .. She close anyway but I'm off work tomorrow and need to be about when she calving as not straight forward with the prolapse

Injected at 21.00 .. Any predictions/ experience on how quick it kicks in ?

Parishlad · 05-01-2015 11:34PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Not a big fan of it but I went to vet tonight and got 20ml of rapidoxe (I think) and 2ml estrumate .. Within 36 hours she reckons .. Vaginal prolapse and I just want it out and stitch her ta hell .. 287 days today .. She close anyway but I'm off work tomorrow and need to be about when she calving as not straight forward with the prolapse

Injected at 21.00 .. Any predictions/ experience on how quick it kicks in ?

No experience whatsoever but hope it goes well for you!

furandfeather · 05-01-2015 11:39PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Not a big fan of it but I went to vet tonight and got 20ml of rapidoxe (I think) and 2ml estrumate .. Within 36 hours she reckons .. Vaginal prolapse and I just want it out and stitch her ta hell .. 287 days today .. She close anyway but I'm off work tomorrow and need to be about when she calving as not straight forward with the prolapse

Injected at 21.00 .. Any predictions/ experience on how quick it kicks in ?

Have only done it twice to two heifers. First one went 18 hours and the second one was around the 20 hours. Best of luck

DanielGibbons · 06-01-2015 12:11AM

Bodacious wrote: »

Not a big fan of it but I went to vet tonight and got 20ml of rapidoxe (I think) and 2ml estrumate .. Within 36 hours she reckons .. Vaginal prolapse and I just want it out and stitch her ta hell .. 287 days today .. She close anyway but I'm off work tomorrow and need to be about when she calving as not straight forward with the prolapse

Injected at 21.00 .. Any predictions/ experience on how quick it kicks in ?

It can literally kick in at anytime, we've had different results.

Only thing to watch for is that she cleans properly afterwards, they can be more prone to retain it when induced.

Besides that, good luck with it all

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 01:14AM

4 hours in and she seems grand .. Has held in the prolapse since 8am and can pee perfectly etc so hopefully she be alright ! Will let ye know how I get on .. I left her in and have lube / gloves /ropes and jack all set for action should she need it !

Genghis Cant · 06-01-2015 02:02AM

We'd a big Ch cow with a prolapse a few years back. It looked at its worse when she was lying down. When she got sick to calve we thought it would get worse but it disappeared altogether when she got sick and calved away no problem.

We never induced a cow so far, though I've felt like if plenty of times.... Usually around 300 days ;-)

whelan2 · 06-01-2015 06:22AM

sometimes the calf's lungs mightnt be developed fully if induced, thought it took longer thn a day for injection to work for inducing them?

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 08:09AM

whelan2 wrote: »

sometimes the calf's lungs mightnt be developed fully if induced, thought it took longer thn a day for injection to work for inducing them?

im not sure but she did say up to 36 hours! no gig out of her yet anyway

I know what you are saying about the calf but she 287 so should be fairly right and generally ive never done it ..but im just in a pickle with this one with work commitments and hard to ask neighbour or ole lad to watch this one as the first thing you'll get is "come home , there is a big red thing hanging out of her!"

hopefully get her calved today/tonight

Brass Tag · 06-01-2015 08:46AM

Bodacious wrote: »

im not sure but she did say up to 36 hours! no gig out of her yet anyway

I know what you are saying about the calf but she 287 so should be fairly right and generally ive never done it ..but im just in a pickle with this one with work commitments and hard to ask neighbour or ole lad to watch this one as the first thing you'll get is "come home , there is a big red thing hanging out of her!"

hopefully get her calved today/tonight

Know only too well your predicament with work commitments and cows calving.
Have a pen of 7 first time calvers this year. All calving at between 24 months and 26 months. 4 calved so far unassisted and no bother taking to calf.

Next one due next Tuesday. Shes out of CWI who is supposed to be good maternal bull. Only trouble being, she is showing very poor sign of springing in the udder dept. Rightly concerned she will have no milk

And of course I have to be away first few days next week!! Just cannot get out of the work thing so fretting mad now about the heifer:o:o

whelan2 · 06-01-2015 08:55AM

the big red thing normally moves out of the way for calving, had one like that years ago. good luck with her

grazeaway · 06-01-2015 06:40PM

whelan2 wrote: »

the big red thing normally moves out of the way for calving, had one like that years ago. good luck with her

Had to section one with one of those last year. Massive calf as well so we didn't want to chance it in case if all went wrong for us.

Inducing times can vary a lot we have everything from 4 hrs to 4 days.

Bullocks · 06-01-2015 07:14PM

Brass Tag wrote: »

Know only too well your predicament with work commitments and cows calving.
Have a pen of 7 first time calvers this year. All calving at between 24 months and 26 months. 4 calved so far unassisted and no bother taking to calf.

Next one due next Tuesday. Shes out of CWI who is supposed to be good maternal bull. Only trouble being, she is showing very poor sign of springing in the udder dept. Rightly concerned she will have no milk
And of course I have to be away first few days next week!! Just cannot get out of the work thing so fretting mad now about the heifer:o:o

Is there anyone that can look in on them at all ? Even if it was only to tell you when the water bag is out couldn't you ring the vet then to deliver ?

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 07:21PM

Still sitting pretty !
Wrong pic!

Here she is! Other heifer is a bit off yet but carrying very heavy

She prob go tonight but my dad will be on call tomorrow and I can come back worst case .. Thanks

trixi2011 · 06-01-2015 07:25PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Still sitting pretty !

She prob go tonight but my dad will be on call tomorrow and I can come back worst case .. Thanks

would you be worried that she would have no milk ?
commenting on the wrong cow, she looks like she will have plenty,

Kovu · 06-01-2015 07:47PM

Did that cow foster calves for you before bodacious or is my memory deceiving me?

Durrus Boy · 06-01-2015 07:51PM

Routinely use 15cc Dexamethasone, mainly on first- calvers hitting 290 days. As a rule of thumb, 90% calve within 30-36 hrs after injecting. Find it a really useful mgt tool to be honest.

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 10:12PM

Kovu wrote: »

Did that cow foster calves for you before bodacious or is my memory deceiving me?

No your memory is spot on she will rear any calf, she reared 3 bull calves in 12 months E1300, E930 and E870! E3100 gross! She only cost E450! End of the road for her now but I'll put a second suck on her for sure.. Not paying big money though

Bullocks · 06-01-2015 10:16PM

Bodacious wrote: »

No your memory is spot on she will rear any calf, she reared 3 bull calves in 12 months E1300, E930 and E870! E3100 gross! She only cost E450! End of the road for her now but I'll put a second suck on her for sure.. Not paying big money though

We're they calves you bought in ? They made great money if they were dairy X calves

limo_100 · 06-01-2015 10:18PM

Bodacious wrote: »

No your memory is spot on she will rear any calf, she reared 3 bull calves in 12 months E1300, E930 and E870! E3100 gross! She only cost E450! End of the road for her now but I'll put a second suck on her for sure.. Not paying big money though

do you let her out with the cows in the summer time or do you keeping a spot on her own with meal?? surely she gets a fair bit of meal a year even just to keep her in tune. Is that your jersey cross cow??

tanko · 06-01-2015 10:33PM

This mightn't proceed as a normal calving would. I wouldn't be afraid to put your hand in to see if anything is happening.
I had to induce a cow who had a hernia a few years ago. She was calving but wasn't able to push the calf out. It was almost too late when I examined her but got the calf out ok in the end.

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 10:38PM

Kovu wrote: »

Did that cow foster calves for you before bodacious or is my memory deceiving me?

Bullocks wrote: »

We're they calves you bought in ? They made great money if they were dairy X calves

No all suckler bred cattle .. She was bought originally as this lads mother put out the entire bed after an easy enough calving

Then a neighbours cow had twin lim x AA blue grey cow bull calves in sept so I bought them, pulled the white lad and stuck on the two blacks .. She great temperament and handy type of cow !

She not an eejit either though had her in field with 10 other cows/calves and she only fed the two she had bonded with

Kovu · 06-01-2015 10:39PM

I'm not going senile yet at least!

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 10:44PM

limo_100 wrote: »

do you let her out with the cows in the summer time or do you keeping a spot on her own with meal?? surely she gets a fair bit of meal a year even just to keep her in tune. Is that your jersey cross cow??

She got a bit of meal out all last winter with twins on her alright but nothing excessive .. She only small in stature wouldn't be a lot with 500kg ! She was nearly getting too fat on me towards end of this summer on grass with 2 on her but her milk was spent ! Then she done a stint on the hill ! Toughened her up !

limo_100 · 06-01-2015 10:51PM

Bodacious wrote: »

She got a bit of meal out all last winter with twins on her alright but nothing excessive .. She only small in stature wouldn't be a lot with 500kg ! She was nearly getting too fat on me towards end of this summer on grass with 2 on her but her milk was spent ! Then she done a stint on the hill ! Toughened her up !

whats she in calf to are you hoping for a heifer? O and waht weight did the white calf finish up at

Bodacious · 06-01-2015 11:09PM

limo_100 wrote: »

whats she in calf to are you hoping for a heifer? O and waht weight did the white calf finish up at

A heifer calf in her from my own Ardlea Dan bull I had this year for heifers.

white lad was 525kg as a store bullock at 17 months.. he was lgl and I thought he'd have grown more but a super muscley fancy store but cattle were back at end of sept... sold him as a pair with another LGL

Genghis Cant · 06-01-2015 11:11PM

limo_100 wrote: »

whats she in calf to are you hoping for a heifer? O and waht weight did the white calf finish up at

You need to be careful keeping a heifer out of a cow with a genetic predisposition to prolapse.

Bodacious · 07-01-2015 12:31AM

Genghis Cant wrote: »

You need to be careful keeping a heifer out of a cow with a genetic predisposition to prolapse.

yeah and wouldn't be expecting a superstar out of this lady anyway.. JE in cow for sure

Bodacious · 07-01-2015 08:15AM

Durrus Boy wrote: »

Routinely use 15cc Dexamethasone, mainly on first- calvers hitting 290 days. As a rule of thumb, 90% calve within 30-36 hrs after injecting. Find it a really useful mgt tool to be honest.

You'd have been on the money ..34 hours !

Black limo heifer calf .. Very light a bone but nice little calf .. Felt the feet first and thought she was having a lamb for me

RobinBanks · 07-01-2015 11:20AM

Bodacious wrote: »

Black limo heifer calf .. Very light a bone but nice little calf .. Felt the feet first and thought she was having a lamb for me

Glad to hear all worked out for you Bod. Might be a small calf but if he's healthy that's the main thing. I've had plenty big soft calves this past few years that didn't want to know of any hardship.

Bodacious · 07-01-2015 02:33PM

Yeah happy out .. Small calf but alive and well Popped home at lunch time and she cleaned just as I walked into shed .. That's Timing!

I fed other cows and when she lied down again after cleaning prolapse showing .. I,be bolts disinfected and ready and will give her a local and take my time to get three bolts into original holes in vulva ... They held her together since August so hopefully work again !

just do it · 07-01-2015 03:09PM

Next stop factory?

Genghis Cant · 07-01-2015 06:05PM

Bodacious wrote: »

I fed other cows and when she lied down again after cleaning prolapse showing .. I,be bolts disinfected and ready and will give her a local and take my time to get three bolts into original holes in vulva ... They held her together since August so hopefully work again !

Will ya need to stitch her with the pressure of pregnancy now gone?

Bodacious · 07-01-2015 09:43PM

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Will ya need to stitch her with the pressure of pregnancy now gone?

that I don't know! she was showing it while lying down just after she cleaned.. but when I came home I had the warm water/ salvon and the bolts all ready and she had it in.. ill play it by ear. I bought her out of a parlour and she was milking away and no sign of it until she was 6 months in calf.. she never be bulled again anyway as JDI says factory when calves reared .. she owes me nothing

Bodacious · 12-01-2015 09:35PM

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/8446137
red whitehead heifer

Sent from my iPhone

Kovu · 12-01-2015 09:38PM

That is a nice calf. Good eye and quick on the ball to get her!

Bodacious · 12-01-2015 10:14PM

Kovu wrote: »

That is a nice calf. Good eye and quick on the ball to get her!

Been damn all calves on DD lately .. Few AA up in Sligo and dealer's calves in Westmeath .. Some lad looking for e600 for a char bull in Roscommon :-) wouldn't he be hard pushed to get 800 in oct !

She nicely marked and Hereford bull he has can only go on the cows as hard enough calved = sounds grand as I'll let her up slong with black lim currently on Fr .. Both should have milk and be good weanlings in oct/nov

just do it · 12-01-2015 10:58PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Been damn all calves on DD lately .. Few AA up in Sligo and dealer's calves in Westmeath .. Some lad looking for e600 for a char bull in Roscommon :-) wouldn't he be hard pushed to get 800 in oct !

She nicely marked and Hereford bull he has can only go on the cows as hard enough calved = sounds grand as I'll let her up slong with black lim currently on Fr .. Both should have milk and be good weanlings in oct/nov

Well able for the mountain too if she's a stayer

Bodacious · 13-01-2015 08:36PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Been damn all calves on DD lately .. Few AA up in Sligo and dealer's calves in Westmeath .. Some lad looking for e600 for a char bull in Roscommon :-) wouldn't he be hard pushed to get 800 in oct !

She nicely marked and Hereford bull he has can only go on the cows as hard enough calved = sounds grand as I'll let her up slong with black lim currently on Fr .. Both should have milk and be good weanlings in oct/nov

yer man rang me that heifer calf was gone (must have got more money) i said id be there at 19.00 as i was working until 17.00.. " take your time you can come here up to 2am if you like!" i gave him what he asked a deal is a deal in my book.. very disappointed to say the least..

Bullocks · 13-01-2015 08:48PM

Bodacious wrote: »

yer man rang me that heifer calf was gone (must have got more money) i said id be there at 19.00 as i was working until 17.00.. " take your time you can come here up to 2am if you like!" i gave him what he asked a deal is a deal in my book.. very disappointed to say the least..

Sickening , same thing happened me a few months ago after I shook on the deal . I text on the herd number when I got home and he text me back that he wanted 50 a head extra . I said no because we shook on a price and he just text back that he had them sold to someone else in the meantime .
Would you try athenry on Thursday morning for a calf ?
I wouldn't bother with an overpriced calf at the minute as they seem dear but would get a strong fr calf that would suck at a cheap price

Bodacious · 13-01-2015 08:54PM

Bullocks wrote: »

Sickening , same thing happened me a few months ago after I shook on the deal . I text on the herd number when I got home and he text me back that he wanted 50 a head extra . I said no because we shook on a price and he just text back that he had them sold to someone else in the meantime .
Would you try athenry on Thursday morning for a calf ?
I wouldn't bother with an overpriced calf at the minute as they seem dear but would get a strong fr calf that would suck at a cheap price

dirty scoundrel

never took down advert and no name up on advert and he said he had trouble on DD before .

I offered to text on my herdnumber lastnight for the permit and thinking back he said he'd leave the permit open.

he hard up for E50 to do that to a man.. id have given him the extra E50 as I liked the calf and my GF is from his Town!

Kovu · 13-01-2015 08:58PM

Bodacious wrote: »

yer man rang me that heifer calf was gone (must have got more money) i said id be there at 19.00 as i was working until 17.00.. " take your time you can come here up to 2am if you like!" i gave him what he asked a deal is a deal in my book.. very disappointed to say the least..

Very annoying! Hate people who go back on their word like that. If I do a deal with someone I wouldn't renege on it for love nor money.

welton john · 13-01-2015 09:02PM

Bodacious wrote: »

dirty scoundrel

never took down advert and no name up on advert and he said he had trouble on DD before .

I offered to text on my herdnumber lastnight for the permit and thinking back he said he'd leave the permit open.

he hard up for E50 to do that to a man.. id have given him the extra E50 as I liked the calf and my GF is from his Town!

I wouldn't be too worried, he'll get no luck for that.
Casann an roth!

Bodacious · 13-01-2015 11:21PM

Kovu wrote: »

Very annoying! Hate people who go back on their word like that. If I do a deal with someone I wouldn't renege on it for love nor money.

Terrible ... That's twice now I got stung on DD!

Jesus if I ever had a son that went back on his word I'd be lifting him with a shoe in the hole

just do it · 13-01-2015 11:43PM

Kovu wrote: »

Very annoying! Hate people who go back on their word like that. If I do a deal with someone I wouldn't renege on it for love nor money.

I for one won't do a deal with anyone with a motto like "Nie moj cyrk, Nie moje malpy"

Kovu · 13-01-2015 11:46PM

just do it wrote: »

I for one won't do a deal with anyone with a motto like "Nie moj cyrk, Nie moje malpy"

Ah g'wan. Just do it

just do it · 13-01-2015 11:47PM

welton john wrote: »

I wouldn't be too worried, he'll get no luck for that.

Agree with that sentiment - it's bad karma.

Bod - I've a friend who I admire because he has a great capacity to just treat things as a business transaction when they go against him i.e. he doesn't allow it get to him emotionally. I wish I'd the same ability, although it's getting better with age (maybe due to getting kicked in the teeth enough times has something to do with it).

just do it · 13-01-2015 11:52PM

Kovu wrote: »

Ah g'wan. Just do it

The username is a bit ironic all right. I did a 2 day management training day a few years back including various tests and quizzes that tell you what type of a personality and management style you have. For one of them we were asked if we thought of ourselves as spontaneous or highly analytical. I had myself down as spontaneous but the subsequent profile showed something quite different!!

Bodacious · 14-01-2015 01:21PM

just do it wrote: »

Agree with that sentiment - it's bad karma.

Bod - I've a friend who I admire because he has a great capacity to just treat things as a business transaction when they go against him i.e. he doesn't allow it get to him emotionally. I wish I'd the same ability, although it's getting better with age (maybe due to getting kicked in the teeth enough times has something to do with it).

Fair played to your mate but it's kinda hard at times. I only part time farming but I'll tell ya it's hard to feel sorry for the farmers at times as they do tend to work outside the normal remit of business code at times .. Dodgy machinery, ringing lads saying heifers proved in calf .. Any dirty scheme possible to separate a man from his money seems to be the norm!

limo_100 · 14-01-2015 01:40PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Fair played to your mate but it's kinda hard at times. I only part time farming but I'll tell ya it's hard to feel sorry for the farmers at times as they do tend to work outside the normal remit of business code at times .. Dodgy machinery, ringing lads saying heifers proved in calf .. Any dirty scheme possible to separate a man from his money seems to be the norm!

you should try a simmental heifer and you will be left with a great replacement, make better better cows than whiteheads

http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/simmental-heifers-egans-portlaoise/8446937

I no there not the best example but there are far squarer ones than them out there

Kovu · 14-01-2015 01:45PM

limo_100 wrote: »

you should try a simmental heifer and you will be left with a great replacement, make better better cows than whiteheads

http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/simmental-heifers-egans-portlaoise/8446937

I no there not the best example but there are far squarer ones than them out there

Fixed your URL

First whiter calf is the best of that bunch. Wonder if the turf comes with them:P

limo_100 · 14-01-2015 01:52PM

Kovu wrote: »

Fixed your URL

First whiter calf is the best of that bunch. Wonder if the turf comes with them:P

shes fairly good alrit was gona ring about her but i thinks the weather is a little hard to be buying calves just yet. maybe them calves are such good value there ****ting fuel :pac:

I induced a cow for first time tonight

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