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Need alot of dental work but cant afford it

  • 14-01-2015 01:53PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2


    HI, so my situation is that I have had dental work done just over a year ago and was told at the time that I would need more done.
    I never went back as I simply cant afford it.
    I have a filling that has chipped and was told that if that tooth ever needed to be refilled again, it would most likely need root canal, something I simply haven't got the money for!
    I can also feel at least 4 other teeth in my mouth that need to be filled and that are just getting worse as I cant afford to have anything done to them and scared stiff that more than the one I know of will need a root canal or worse still , extraction! Extraction is something I cant afford and even if I could, would mean walking around with no tooth so would ideally need to be a crown and post put in place.
    This has had a huge effect on my self esteem as well as pain on a daily basis which I have come to live with until such time as I can figure out how to get the work done.
    If anyone has any suggestions I would love to know!
    Does anyone know of a dentist who will do the work and let me pay off monthly to so that I am not paying out a lumpsum that I just don't have?
    Please if you have suggestions let me know.

    Frustrated and feeling low and need help


Comments

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    unfortunately payment dont happen unless you're getting long term treatment.

    see this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057361799


    Extraction is a lot cheaper than a root canal but it doesn't mean you are missing a tooth which you should be replacing with something else


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nelly041 wrote: »
    .......
    I can also feel at least 4 other teeth in my mouth that need to be filled and that are just getting worse as I cant afford to have anything done to them ...........................

    Frustrated and feeling low and need help

    Awful to read this, I feel for you :(

    Realistically you need to scape together some cash to get them done one by one. If you can afford to make monthly repayments to a dentist and can't find a dentist to do that than is it an option to save something in a credit union with a view to borrowing a few hundred to get the required fillings?

    I think instead of a root canal they can sometime do fillings at risk, the risk being you might need a root canal anyway in the near future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭filmifan


    I feel for you too, nelly041. I really do. I need a lot of dental work done, and I also can't afford what I sense is going to be very expensive as well as extensive work done.

    I am going to go to my local credit union and see what the story is about qualifying for a loan, as in, how much money do I have to be earning in order to qualify for a loan, or, if I don't make enough money to qualify, if I have an account with them and have some money in that account, would I then qualify for a loan.

    I just wish there was or could be a national dental health care plan put into place for people who need dental work (more than what the medical card entitlements are - which is minimal), and who genuinely have every intention about paying for the treatments, but who simply just cannot afford it (especially if it's a lot of work and a lot of money), to be allowed to pay every month, or even fortnightly, little by little, in installments, until the entire thing is paid in full.

    Naive of me to wish for such a thing, I realise, but still...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Perhaps you should look into getting work done by a final year dental student who needs a patient for clinics or case presentation . Hospitals charge less for work completed by students .
    Not sure on your exact circumstances but it can be a cheaper option . Hope this helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    I believe up to two emergency extractions can be done in a year free if you have the medical card. Would you be able to come up with money for perhaps 1-2 fillings.
    If you speak with the dentist perhaps he will let you spread the cost of the remainder over a month or two.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    I believe up to two emergency extractions can be done in a year free if you have the medical card. Would you be able to come up with money for perhaps 1-2 fillings.
    If you speak with the dentist perhaps he will let you spread the cost of the remainder over a month or two.

    You have that wrong... 2 fillings per year and as many extractions as you want....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    You have that wrong... 2 fillings per year and as many extractions as you want....

    Apologies. That should help the OP. Shame they cut back on the fillings. Horrible to have to lose a tooth over a lack of funds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Apologies. That should help the OP. Shame they cut back on the fillings. Horrible to have to lose a tooth over a lack of funds.

    For the record, I agree, terrible system that encourages removal of what might be restorable teeth...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Especially when dentistry is now focused on extractions as the last option people should take .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    Isn't there a dental hospital somewhere around Trinity where dental work is done very cheaply? It's performed by dentistry students, under supervision from actual dentists. There may be a little bit of a waiting list, but it's the best option for you! I think the actual cost of the work done is very low.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭filmifan


    That'd be an excellent option. Is it general dentistry (fillings, extractions) or everything (including specialist and/or cosmetic)?

    If I knew the name of the place, I'd definitely place my name on their waiting list.

    Thanks for the suggestion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Get a quote from a Dentist in the North Nelly, I had quotes of 15K for work here, had everything done to a fantastic standard for 2.5 K


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    Dublin Dental University Hospital.

    Give them a buzz and see what they're about. It was a few years back when I first heard of them so I'm not sure about their pricing, but it'd be worth a shot. Hopefully whoever you speak to can give you more information!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 nelly041


    Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
    Seems a loan of some kind will be needed which ever route I take.
    I'll have to see how much longer I can hold out before it becomes an emergency as I just don't have the funds right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭filmifan


    Thanks, Jungleman, for letting me know the name of the dental hospital. I'll go to their website and/or email them about available treatments, prices, and being put on a waiting list.

    Thanks also, NSAman. I'll check a few NI places out, as well...a co-worker told me about one specific place in Enniskillen that she uses, so I may contact them very shortly.

    Like nelly041, I'm going to try and hold out as long as I can...save as much as I can in the meantime. I'm not in any pain, but, as you've said nelly, I just cannot afford major work done right now either, so I have to explore other options.

    I wish you all the best, nelly041. Try not to worry and stress (easier said than done, I know).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Hibernosaur


    Have you considered going to Hungary or Czech? Excellent dentists (Higher standard than ours) and much much much cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Have you considered going to Hungary or Czech? Excellent dentists (Higher standard than ours) and much much much cheaper.

    The experience of most dentists in Ireland, the UK and Germany who see patients with this type of high speed dental tourism would suggest otherwise. There are good and bad dentist everywhere, but ask even a good dentist to do complex work in a short amount of time and generally the results are sub optimal.

    The Dublin Dental Hospital is a good option, however waiting lists are long, treatment times and numbers of visits are long and unless you have a medical card treatment for things like implants and crown is actually pretty expensive, similar to private dentists fees. Specialist waiting lists are often closed as there is massive oversubscription.

    You wont get 15k of treatment done for 2.5k in the north. What you might get is less treatment for less money. Even the cheapest clinics I have seen in Turkey dont give those sorts of discounts. People do tend to go for an assessment and get option A,B and C. Option A is say 10k down to option C of 3k. They get another assessment and this time option C is 2.5k, they then tell everyone that they were quoted 10k one place but got it for 2.5k. A perceived bargain causes a sort of mild hysteria and amnesia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,880 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    nelly041 wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
    Seems a loan of some kind will be needed which ever route I take.
    I'll have to see how much longer I can hold out before it becomes an emergency as I just don't have the funds right now.

    As already said you should go north to have the work done or even priced.
    Then when you know you have to borrow you won't need as much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭SM35


    OP,

    I am sorry to hear your plight, and as a general dentist, it is something I come across in my patients daily. Unfortunately dentistry is an expensive business to run, which needs to be passed on to the patient. I generally take home a net 20% of the fee charged, having paid the staff, equipment, materials, bank loans, insurances and taxes etc

    My advice to you is to first find out what is going on i.e. go and get an examination from a reputable dentist and get a DIAGNOSIS e.g. condition of gums , decayed teeth, abscesses around root tips, lack of support for your bite etc.

    Quality dentistry will involve a staged approach to care following diagnosis- first of all addressing any areas of pain, before removal of decay and placement of straightforward fillings. It is also vital that a preventative approach is taken i.e. advice on modifying and improving your home hygiene habits, addressing smoking if it applies to you, and to reduce the frequency of consumption of sugar containing food and drinks. A thorough cleaning visit(s)with a hygienist may also be required. This straightforward and planned approach to STABILISATION by a local dentist may be less expensive than you think, and will involve less travel and costs than going to a dentist who will not be there for you should you need them in an emergency.

    You say you need extensive work, and I would caution against rushing into getting a lot of extensive work done in a short space of time - either abroad or in Ireland. It is important to respect the biology and to observe your dental health after stabilisation, before proceeding with any advanced work. Advanced work is only doomed to failure if it is carried out too soon, or in a mouth that is not ofoptimal health - i.e. there must be no active decay and excellent plaque control, and gum health.

    I can only disagree with some posters suggesting that dentists from a particular country are "better" than those in Ireland. There are good and bad dentists everwhere. I see a significant amount of poor work in my patients from overseas to know that there is not an overseas dental nirvana where advanced work is done quickly and to a high enough standard for long term success. There have been plenty posts on this forum by more advanced dentists than me, detailing the disasters that they see when advanced work has been rushed or carried out in inherently unstable and unhealthy mouths.

    Best of luck, and I do hope you get your self sorted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Hibernosaur


    The experience of most dentists in Ireland, the UK and Germany who see patients with this type of high speed dental tourism would suggest otherwise. There are good and bad dentist everywhere, but ask even a good dentist to do complex work in a short amount of time and generally the results are sub optimal.

    The Dublin Dental Hospital is a good option, however waiting lists are long, treatment times and numbers of visits are long and unless you have a medical card treatment for things like implants and crown is actually pretty expensive, similar to private dentists fees. Specialist waiting lists are often closed as there is massive oversubscription.

    You wont get 15k of treatment done for 2.5k in the north. What you might get is less treatment for less money. Even the cheapest clinics I have seen in Turkey dont give those sorts of discounts. People do tend to go for an assessment and get option A,B and C. Option A is say 10k down to option C of 3k. They get another assessment and this time option C is 2.5k, they then tell everyone that they were quoted 10k one place but got it for 2.5k. A perceived bargain causes a sort of mild hysteria and amnesia.

    The General level of healthcare in Czech and Hungary is far higher than Ireland's who have dismal statistics for a developed country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    The General level of healthcare in Czech and Hungary is far higher than Ireland's who have dismal statistics for a developed country.

    Dental tourism seems to be telling a slightly different story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭chooey


    Definitely try the dental hospital. I went there years ago when I was in college and didn't have much money and knew I needed a couple of fillings. I'm a very nervous patient and so for me the amount of visits was too much and that's why I'm in the state I am now as I never went back but cost wise they were very good. As it's a student they will just do one filling at a time and it took much longer than visiting a typical dentist so just make sure you have the time. You were allotted to the same student at every visit which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on who you got!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭NSAman



    You wont get 15k of treatment done for 2.5k in the north. What you might get is less treatment for less money..

    Sorry Sir, but that is simply the fact. Better results a timetable, appointments kept on time and the cost for ALL the treatment was SO much cheaper. In fact I knew the price of everything prior to the treatment as a cost sheet and method/timetable for treatment was given to me before I started. Braces for example were 1000 as opposed to 5000 (exact same braces)...go figure. I spent a year getting everything fixed and was shocked at the cost differences.

    Previously if I had an appointment at 9.30 it could be 10 before I was seen, in the north if the appointment was 9.30 I was SEEN at 9.30. I have sent many people to this dentist from the South, they have all had the same experience with him.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    NSAman wrote: »
    Sorry Sir, but that is simply the fact. Better results a timetable, appointments kept on time and the cost for ALL the treatment was SO much cheaper. In fact I knew the price of everything prior to the treatment as a cost sheet and method/timetable for treatment was given to me before I started. Braces for example were 1000 as opposed to 5000 (exact same braces)...go figure. I spent a year getting everything fixed and was shocked at the cost differences.

    Previously if I had an appointment at 9.30 it could be 10 before I was seen, in the north if the appointment was 9.30 I was SEEN at 9.30. I have sent many people to this dentist from the South, they have all had the same experience with him..

    Where to start picking hole in this :rolleyes:

    - NI dentist not as busy
    - NI dentist rushing through a procedure etc etc


    Also as someone who has had treatment in NI, the headline price savings are not anything like you quoted. If there were you'd have people flying from Cork to Belfast to get a filling done and still have money in their pocked.
    Never mind adding in the time of getting to NI from Dublin


    I've looked at a place in NI (not where i had work done as they dont have their prices published now for some reason)

    Implant - £1950 which is €2550 using XE.com
    Dublin - €2200

    So a saving of €350 without factoring in the cost of getting to NI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Where to start picking hole in this :rolleyes:

    - NI dentist not as busy
    - NI dentist rushing through a procedure etc etc


    Also as someone who has had treatment in NI, the headline price savings are not anything like you quoted. If there were you'd have people flying from Cork to Belfast to get a filling done and still have money in their pocked.
    Never mind adding in the time of getting to NI from Dublin


    I've looked at a place in NI (not where i had work done as they dont have their prices published now for some reason)

    Implant - £1950 which is €2550 using XE.com
    Dublin - €2200

    So a saving of €350 without factoring in the cost of getting to NI.

    You can pick holes all you want. I am just giving MY experience and I continue to attend the same dentist. I have nothing to gain by telling lies here. All I know is that the treatment I received was MUCH cheaper and for me even including the travel time, saved a fortune......


  • Moderators Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Big_G


    The General level of healthcare in Czech and Hungary is far higher than Ireland's who have dismal statistics for a developed country.

    At the risk of getting into it - any evidence? And then any evidence specific to the discussion at hand, ie dentistry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Dianthus


    The General level of healthcare in Czech and Hungary is far higher than Ireland's who have dismal statistics for a developed country.
    I recently met an employee of GSK who works in the area for denture fixatives& denture cleaning tablets, he informed me that their biggest markets for export of these products worldwide are China& Eastern Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    I'd be off to Bucharest. Flights, a cheap hotel and the dental treatment that you require wouldn't amount to a fraction of what the treatment alone would cost over here. That is an option for you.

    http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/romania/bucharest


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