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The English and their weird fascist nationalism again.

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  • #32
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Having read that article, what he did was the height of disrespect so he deserves everything he's getting (within legal reason of course ... ). HE is the one who has dragged politics on top of himself instead of standing for a national anthem in an event in which he is taking part. It shouldn't matter whose anthem it is that is being played on that pitch, he should at least stand and show a modicum of civility and token respect.

    Absolute clown. And he was doing so well with his perfectly crafted PR letter. Then he goes and does this ...


  • #33
    daisybelle2008
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    cloud493 wrote: »
    Jesus, some boards people have a proper chip on their shoulder about british people and 'the brits'

    It's like we have small man syndrome. I spend a lot of time there, the irony is the are very positive about the Irish....but 800 years and all that :rolleyes:.


  • #34
    Alpha Romeo
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

    In my opinion, I think he shouldn't have made it so obvious by turning away, and just let it go over his head. It is asking for trouble.

    In reply to what you said. Many clubs in England, and around the world, are made up of many nationalities as I'm sure you know.

    Why was the national anthem played anyway?


  • #35
    mrsoundie
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    He can't be that upset, but he should be when he realises that the income tax he pays to Her Majesty's Government, pay the wages of the British Army.

    If he does not like the anthem, then perhaps working for an English team in England is not the wisest.

    I do agree with him on the poppy subject, but you must always show respect to any anthem, whether you dislike the country or not.


  • #36
    tonycascarino
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    I'd guarantee you he doesn't have a problem getting his wages with Liz's face on it. If he's that anti English....


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  • #37
    Ave Sodalis
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    I work for a French company but if Le Marseillaise was played I wouldn't stand up for it and I doubt my employers would expect me to.

    If you went abroad with said company to compete with said company against another company from another country, and the national anthem was playing for the company which you now represent, would you do the same?


  • #38
    Micky Dolenz
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    cloud493 wrote: »
    You know, in 6 years living in Ireland as a British, I have heard/heard anti British rhetoric maybe, once or twice, IRL. On boards, I see it at least a couple of times a month, maybe more. People need to get over themselves and move on.

    Quick, get him!!

    :pac:


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    In time I think McLean will be respected for standing up for his beliefs and not caving in to societal pressure.

    Reminds me of the story of Muhammad Ali refusing to go to Vietnam because as he put it "no Vietcong ever called me ******". He was ostracised and vilified in the same way McLean is but ultimately emerged as a bit of a hero for not capitulating to the prevailing view of the time.


  • #40
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
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    Noemi Unsightly Second wrote: »
    Oh Lord here we go again. Any excuse to rake up the past and anti British waffle. Life's too short.

    We were brought up to respect and honour any national flag or anthem, regardless of our personal bias or political persuasion.

    It's not the 'past' my man. I posted something that happened today. I generally love the British btw.

    You respect something/someone that gives you respect back, end of. Unwavering respect is for the dumb.


  • #41
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I hear they eat babes too.

    FYP for truth ;)


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  • #42
    Ave Sodalis
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    eet fuk wrote: »
    By that logic anyone who works for any English company should stand for the English national anthem.

    But it's not a company, it's a sports team who were essentially representing the country of origin (i.e. England)


  • #43
    cloud493
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Quick, get him!!

    :pac:

    Ooh! Ah, that's it. I'm going to report this to me member of Parliament.


  • #44
    darkpagandeath
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    hahaha some random soccer player and Muhammad ali used as a comparison Jesus.


  • #45
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    If you went abroad with said company to compete with said company against another company from another country, and the national anthem was playing for the company which you now represent, would you do the same?

    I only represent the company not the country the company is from.I'd imagine they'd have more important things to do than to waste time playing a national anthem and that the company I work for wouldn't force their nationality upon their employees.

    It was idiotic that it was played in the first place and all he did was not turn round to face the british flag a flag which isn't his own, he was standing for the anthem.


  • #46
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    sup_dude wrote: »
    But it's not a company, it's a sports team who were essentially representing the country of origin (i.e. England)

    They weren't representing england they were over their to build up their own brand and make money for themselves.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    hahaha some random soccer player and Muhammad ali used as a comparison Jesus.

    Yes in terms of standing up for your beliefs in the face of adversity. Not in terms of relative sporting success. You know what I meant so give it a rest with the not-so-clever attempt at humour.


  • #48
    Skylinehead
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    But it's not a company, it's a sports team who were essentially representing the country of origin (i.e. England)

    No, it's the English national team that does that.


  • #49
    darkpagandeath
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    I only represent the company not the country the company is from.I'd imagine they'd have more important things to do than to waste time playing a national anthem and that the company I work for wouldn't force their nationality upon their employees.

    It was idiotic that it was played in the first place and all he did was not turn round to face the british flag a flag which isn't his own, he was standing for the anthem.

    See how long you will be collecting a pay check in another country if you did that to their flag. Any European country would react exactly the same. Just like people here would.


  • #50
    Ave Sodalis
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    I only represent the company not the country the company is from.I'd imagine they'd have more important things to do than to waste time playing a national anthem and that the company I work for wouldn't force their nationality upon their employees.

    It was idiotic that it was played in the first place and all he did was not turn round to face the british flag a flag which isn't his own, he was standing for the anthem.

    It's fairly common practice in other sports to play the national anthem when two or more countries come together, even if it isn't the official national teams playing.
    Standing for the anthem generally means acknowledging it as opposed to physically stand for it. Which he didn't. If he was playing for an Irish or other country's team and didn't acknowledge it, then it would be rude but not hypocritical. To do it when playing for an English team is, in my opinion, hypocritical and petty and completely pointless.
    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    They weren't representing england they were over their to build up their own brand and make money for themselves.

    As far as I'm concerned, when a team from one country meets a team from another, each team are representing their country to a certain degree. Obviously, the match organisers agree with this.


  • #51
    mrsoundie
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    If my memory serves me right, I do remember a certain Mr Martin Johnson standing on the wrong side of a bit of carpet, which caused some righteous indignation.


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  • #52
    The Backwards Man
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    I only represent the company not the country the company is from.I'd imagine they'd have more important things to do than to waste time playing a national anthem and that the company I work for wouldn't force their nationality upon their employees.

    It was idiotic that it was played in the first place and all he did was not turn round to face the british flag a flag which isn't his own, he was standing for the anthem.
    It wasn't the British flag, it was the St George's cross.

    There's people that stand by their principles no matter how right or wrong they are (and that's fair enough), and there's attention seeking clowns.

    People also forget that not many years ago the national anthem was played at the end of every night in clubs, dancehalls and nightclubs up and down this country and woe betide anybody that did what McClean did here. It's a cringeworthy and jingoistic tradition at American sports events alright, but he'd have been better off not travelling with the club than doing what he did imo.


  • #53
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    See how long you will be collecting a pay check in another country if you did that to their flag. Any European country would react exactly the same. Just like people here would.

    Really.


    He stood for the anthem he just didn't turn around it's not that big a deal.

    I can't think of one job in the world where I'd be expected to face a flag/stand for a national anthem as part of my job.

    A few months ago there was supposed to be a minutes silence for the victims of the Paris terror attacks however nobody observed it in work (not even the French employees) because they were too busy working.Believe it or not nobody was sacked.

    I'd imagine if you were sacked for not facing a flag you would be easily able to take them to court for unfair dismissal.


  • #54
    darkpagandeath
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    Really.


    He stood for the anthem he just didn't turn around it's not that big a deal.

    I can't think of one job in the world where I'd be expected to stand for a national anthem as part of my job.

    A few months ago there was supposed to be a minutes silence for the victims of the Paris terror attacks however nobody observed it in work (not even the French employees) because they were too busy working.Believe it or not nobody was sacked.

    I'd imagine if you were sacked for not facing a flag you would be easily able to take them to court for unfair dismissal.

    How does one sue over a contract not being renewed ?


  • #55
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It wasn't the British flag, it was the St George's cross.

    There's people that stand by their principles no matter how right or wrong they are (and that's fair enough), and there's attention seeking clowns.

    People also forget that not many years ago the national anthem was played at the end of every night in clubs, dancehalls and nightclubs up and down this country and woe betide anybody that did what McClean did here. It's a cringeworthy and jingoistic tradition at American sports events alright, but he'd have been better off not travelling with the club than doing what he did imo.


    Well those people were clearly idiots.


  • #56
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    mrsoundie wrote: »
    If my memory serves me right, I do remember a certain Mr Martin Johnson standing on the wrong side of a bit of carpet, which caused some righteous indignation.

    The difference there is that he didn't do it out of some loyalty to his people for atrocities committed by the Irish military. He did it to psyche out the Irish players.

    Another difference is that his actions forced President McAleese to walk off the red carpet and on the grass. McLean's actions haven't done the equivalent thing to a British head of state.


  • #57
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #58
    SpaceTime
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    I do think the poppy thing in England is going too far though. It's stretching into wearing it for weeks and it's about supporting the armed forces which, given the UK's internal issues, can be divisive.

    Wearing it for one specific day is one thing but it can go a little far.


  • #59
    Micky Dolenz
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    At the end of the day, if he delivers on the soccer ball pitch people won't give a rats hole what his personal beliefs are.


  • #60
    Sheep Lover
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    Maybe he just wants to play football and not support some jingoistic nonsense?


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  • #61
    darkpagandeath
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Maybe he just wants to play football and not support some jingoistic nonsense?

    Was that before or after making political statements ?


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