La Vuelta a España - Stage 2 - Alhaurín de la Torre/Caminito del Rey SPOILERS

Daroxtar · 24-08-2015 8:23am

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I find myself apologizing stage the expression with the ass,.......

watch your wounds on him from the hot asphalt....

I sling the pursuit without fear, without water alone...

Goddammit, that's pure poetry!!!

lissard · 24-08-2015 8:46am

Good old Astana, never ever a hint of cheating from that team. Makes me laugh when you think that the bold Vincenzo only recently reminded everyone that Chris Froome had been DQed from the Giro for hanging on to a team car.

death1234567 · 24-08-2015 8:49am

mhiggy09 wrote: »

nibali deserved that

It's not his first time (remember the world championship's in Italy) and I suspect he has a reputation for it. He always seems to get back through the car's extremely easily. The UCI need to clamp down on it to be honest.

Leroy42 · 24-08-2015 9:52am

Even the 'apology' doesn't make any sense.

There is no regulation to say that getting help (stickybottle) from the car can carry a 10 minute penalty, Astana made that up and then he says he would have accepted it.

Then he goes on to say that he way 1.20 down, closed the gap and then took the help knowing he would get a fine/penalty. Why would you take help of 1 minute or so and do it accepting a penalty of 10 minutes was the cost?

He makes the point that it happens all the time, and I'm fairly sure it does, but in most cases it is some domestique trying to avoid the cut-off or whatever, Still wrong and we have seen cases of disqualification, but when you are teh team leader and going for the overall then it carries certain extra responsibilities and scrutiny.

MPFGLB · 24-08-2015 10:21am

Able to get back on the boards for first time in last 24 hours

Delighted to see Nico in such good form. We could be in for a 2013 repeat except he will have to work for Froome (big bummer of being at SKY). Well he seems to be flogging that mantra (as if SKY give them a tape recorded message to listen to every night at bedtime :eek: ). And he might have done better yesterday if he had Riis in his ear . He went too early ...not once but twice. But hey ho Chaves was flying. He speed past a fast Dan Martin
Hoping the SKY machine give Nico more head ...his form is definitely great while Froome looks puffy & out of sorts. And Quintana looks a bit sluggish also. Although both are best climbers and should come through in second half of the race but this is not guaranteed. Both talking themselves down. Its almost like Froome is at the Vuelta because SKY wanted it rather than himself

With Niabli gone I quite fancy Aru and Valverde & Purito will also be right up there.

I do expect a win from Dan Martin...more a case of when rather than if
and given the number of shorter summit finshs might be vying for the red jersey

Morrisseeee · 24-08-2015 10:50am

It's a disgrace that.............Nibali got disqualified !!

Of all the cheating that goes on in cycling and in other sports and then we have this......a guy gets chucked out of the race for hanging onto a team car for a little bit, after an incident that wasn't his fault. How many times have we seen guys 'winging' their was back in to the peloton and not get punished.

I'm sorry but the punishment doesn't fit the crime :mad:

derealbadger · 24-08-2015 11:25am

love this on twitter

Nibali is complaining about the suspension. He says it needs adjusting as it was hard to hold onto the car on the steep bits

desertcircus · 24-08-2015 11:35am

Morrisseeee wrote: »

It's a disgrace that.............Nibali got disqualified !!

Of all the cheating that goes on in cycling and in other sports and then we have this......a guy gets chucked out of the race for hanging onto a team car for a little bit, after an incident that wasn't his fault. How many times have we seen guys 'winging' their was back in to the peloton and not get punished.

I'm sorry but the punishment doesn't fit the crime :mad:

How many times have we seen a GC contender openly break the rules to save himself a chunk of time that could plausibly win him a Grand Tour?

ThisRegard · 24-08-2015 11:50am

Morrisseeee wrote: »

It's a disgrace that.............Nibali got disqualified !!

Of all the cheating that goes on in cycling and in other sports and then we have this......a guy gets chucked out of the race for hanging onto a team car for a little bit, after an incident that wasn't his fault. How many times have we seen guys 'winging' their was back in to the peloton and not get punished.

I'm sorry but the punishment doesn't fit the crime :mad:

Seriously ? I'm sure the rest of the bunch that got left behind don't feel the same.

And so what what goes on in other sports, this is not other sports.

People either want cycling cleaned up, at all levels, and yet want just a little bit of cheating be ignored.

Leroy42 · 24-08-2015 11:55am

Morrisseeee wrote: »

It's a disgrace that.............Nibali got disqualified !!

Of all the cheating that goes on in cycling and in other sports and then we have this......a guy gets chucked out of the race for hanging onto a team car for a little bit, after an incident that wasn't his fault. How many times have we seen guys 'winging' their was back in to the peloton and not get punished.

I'm sorry but the punishment doesn't fit the crime :mad:

So you are suggesting that since there are other, worse crimes, that we shouldn't deal with this one?

There is a rule, he broke it. He, and his team, knew the sanction of they got caught, but decided to risk it and lost. simple.

The fact that others may, or may not be, cheating is irrelevant to this.

There is only (mild) uproar because it is a possible GC contender. If this was a lowly smhuck (as in the case of the Argentinian rider who got throw off the TdF for taken a car ride for all of 150 meters up to his team car) then nobody would be bothered.

you don't solve the problems in cycling with allowing what you consider to be the small cheating go until you have dealt with all the bid cheating. Cheating is cheating

lennymc · 24-08-2015 12:06pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Seriously ? I'm sure the rest of the bunch that got left behind don't feel the same.

the bunch that were left behind reminded me of this:

you could almost pinpoint the moment they went wtf...

Lusk_Doyle · 24-08-2015 12:11pm

Esteban Chavez

godtabh wrote: »

Maybe I'm blind but what did the clip show?

The magical disappearing bike rider onto the car trick.

velo.2010 · 24-08-2015 12:16pm

Regarding Nibali's tow. The overhead shot from the helicopter was damning. It was plain to see just how much of a tow a rider can get from a 'sticky bottle'. Had the picture come from a moto-camera he may have got away with a fine/time penalty as it would have looked like many a tow that we've seen in the past.

The UCI are now obliged to enforce the rule given the high profile cyclist involved. Teams will be all over them if they see a rival gain any advantage from 'a sticky bottle'.

BTW, this was the same **** that wss going on in the Des Hanlon when I did it a couple of years ago.

Lusk_Doyle · 24-08-2015 12:17pm

Esteban Chavez

MPFGLB wrote: »

Able to get back on the boards for first time in last 24 hours

Delighted to see Nico in such good form. We could be in for a 2013 repeat except he will have to work for Froome (big bummer of being at SKY). Well he seems to be flogging that mantra (as if SKY give them a tape recorded message to listen to every night at bedtime :eek: ). And he might have done better yesterday if he had Riis in his ear . He went too early ...not once but twice. But hey ho Chaves was flying. He speed past a fast Dan Martin
Hoping the SKY machine give Nico more head ...his form is definitely great while Froome looks puffy & out of sorts. And Quintana looks a bit sluggish also. Although both are best climbers and should come through in second half of the race but this is not guaranteed. Both talking themselves down. Its almost like Froome is at the Vuelta because SKY wanted it rather than himself

With Niabli gone I quite fancy Aru and Valverde & Purito will also be right up there.

I do expect a win from Dan Martin...more a case of when rather than if
and given the number of shorter summit finshs might be vying for the red jersey

Imagine you all disagreed with me when I posted recently that Nico would be given his head at the start of the race!

Morrisseeee · 24-08-2015 12:37pm

I firmly believe (and note it's just my own opinion) that Nibali's punishment does not fit the crime. The punishment was way too harsh. Look at the preparation he has put in, the time, effort and sacrifices he, his family and his team have put in, surely he doesn't deserve to be removed from the race.
Yes, punish him, remove him from the GC but not from the race altogether !!

NeedMoreGears · 24-08-2015 12:38pm

The ritemedia translation below is not as colourful as the automatic one above.
Nibali had to go and with him gone, it'll open things up a bit. Great rides by Nico and Dan yesterday.

“I publicly apologise for what happened today to everyone who felt enraged or ashamed on my behalf. Many of you have never ridden a bike competitively, others are long-time fans, others got closer to the sport in these past years! Bike and cycling are a passion, love, days away from family with hard trainings, many sacrifices- starting from when you are approximately 16 years old! What happened today at the Vuelta happens at every race, but that doesn’t automatically mean that it’s not wrong or that I should not be punished! Judges have to decide which punishment is appropriate in these cases.

“This year went terrible for a thousand different reasons, I come to the Vuelta seeking for revenge after an horrible season, and I find myself with the ass on the ground – sorry for the swearword – I got back up thanks to a team-mate, hoping I didn’t hurt myself, I watched the scars the scorching hot asphalt left on me and looked for my bicycle which got destroyed.

“There’s panic and chaos in the peloton, I get back late… very late… too late. to the point that when I get back I’m 1:20 behind, I start chasing without fear, without water, alone, I slowly get closer to the peloton and I find my team-mates waiting for me along the road, my head thinking that I have to go and reach the front for the people watching me, for those who love me, for my wife, my daughter and for those who are asking how am I feeling right now, I go forward to show that I didn’t hurt myself, until that costly mistake – a 150 metre long drag at which several people are ready to throw mud (e.g. “He only got back because he drafted”).

“No one mentions how I fell down, how the riders at the front kept going, he was alone chasing against 18 riders doing their best at the front! No, ladies and gentlemen, in cycling the race is a race and it doesn’t wait for you! This happens often in cycling, especially after a big crash!

“In the end, I would have expected anything – a heavy fine, a time penalty that would have put me out of the GC! I would have been OK even with a ten minutes penalty! After all, I wasn’t the first and won’t be the last doing this. I’m sorry for taking your time and thanks for the support you give me, or don’t give me! Have a nice evening and see you soon! Vince”

gordongekko · 24-08-2015 12:43pm

desertcircus wrote: »

How many times have we seen a GC contender openly break the rules to save himself a chunk of time that could plausibly win him a Grand Tour?

Froome in the tour a few years ago when he got Porte to go back to the car and get him food.

godtabh · 24-08-2015 12:44pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

The magical disappearing bike rider onto the car trick.

clearly didnt see that

Trojan · 24-08-2015 12:57pm

It was bloody stupid, but I understand how in that situation and frame of mind it'd be tempting to hold on for far too long, he must have been feeling a lot of anger, adrenaline and pain right then. Of course DQ is 100% right decision too.

I think the best thing for Nibali would be to make a new start with another team.

MPFGLB · 24-08-2015 1:10pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Imagine you all disagreed with me when I posted recently that Nico would be given his head at the start of the race!

You must feel like a lone wolf crying in the wilderness

I hoped he would be allowed freedom but was not convinced

Lusk_Doyle · 24-08-2015 4:51pm

Esteban Chavez

MPFGLB wrote: »

You must feel like a lone wolf crying in the wilderness

I hoped he would be allowed freedom but was not convinced

A visionary, you might say.

Lusk_Doyle · 24-08-2015 4:53pm

Esteban Chavez

Morrisseeee wrote: »

I firmly believe (and note it's just my own opinion) that Nibali's punishment does not fit the crime. The punishment was way too harsh. Look at the preparation he has put in, the time, effort and sacrifices he, his family and his team have put in, surely he doesn't deserve to be removed from the race.
Yes, punish him, remove him from the GC but not from the race altogether !!

Did you say the same about Alphaphilipe in the tour? Or is it because he is a GC contender?

boege · 24-08-2015 6:01pm

I drive team car in a lot of races here. Holding on is not common and support drivers know the sanctions. It tends to mostly happen at the back of races and for riders not competing for stage or GC. If its seen you are gone, as happened in the Ras this year for a certain Italian

Drafting back on is common. My read of Nibali is that they needed to separate him before they could draft him back onto the race. Otherwise a big bunch ends up behind the Astana car. Most probably the decision would have been called by the team, so consequences were known.

It is a harsh ruling as it was not sustained holding (deliberately so, I suspect) and he did end up doing a lot of work to get back on, but I think the ruling has to stand.

dastardly00 · 25-08-2015 9:28pm

Esteban Chavez

Morrisseeee wrote: »

It's a disgrace that.............Nibali got disqualified !!

Of all the cheating that goes on in cycling and in other sports and then we have this......a guy gets chucked out of the race for hanging onto a team car for a little bit, after an incident that wasn't his fault. How many times have we seen guys 'winging' their was back in to the peloton and not get punished.

I'm sorry but the punishment doesn't fit the crime :mad:

I think you're the only person who reckons that it was harsh that Nibali got disqualified.

La Vuelta a España - Stage 2 - Alhaurín de la Torre/Caminito del Rey *SPOILERS*

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La Vuelta a España - Stage 2 - Alhaurín de la Torre/Caminito del Rey SPOILERS