Child Killed in Sulky Accident

gctest50 · 28-02-2016 05:26PM

Discodog wrote: »

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Volunteers fed the traveller horses in Galway & local farmers helped out with feed......

Are they still feeding them ?

Bringing a vet to them as needed ?

Discodog · 28-02-2016 05:27PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Too much of an outlay of resources for something that will only be referred to some juvenile liaison nonsense.

These are mostly kids and the parents are usually not far off being kids themselves and the only way of dealing with it is to remove the animals, What are we supposed to do with thousands of horses and ponies that nobody wants and nobody will pay to feed and house?

Then the law needs changing to make the parents responsible. Fine the parents & stop their child benefit till it's paid.

Discodog · 28-02-2016 05:29PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Are they still feeding them ?

Bringing a vet to them as needed ?

They are actually in reasonable condition & being monitored.

foggy_lad · 28-02-2016 05:30PM

Discodog wrote: »

Then the law needs changing to make the parents responsible. Fine the parents & stop their child benefit till it's paid.

Are you really that naive?

How do you make parents responsible? you can try to fine them but they have nothing of any real value except a horse.

gctest50 · 28-02-2016 05:37PM

Discodog wrote: »

They are actually in reasonable condition & being monitored.

monitored a bit better than this i hope

Discodog · 28-02-2016 05:51PM

gctest50 wrote: »

monitored a bit better than this i hope

Rather bad example as the owner of East Galway Animal Rescue was prosecuted for neglect. However I know the real reason as do the GSPCA & we can all succumb to heath issues.

Bear in mind that during the past years Sarah has personally rehomed 1200 dogs & most of them difficult breeds to rehome. She also rescued numerous horses. There are always two sides to a story.

gctest50 · 28-02-2016 06:00PM

Discodog wrote: »

Rather bad example as the owner of East Galway Animal Rescue was prosecuted for neglect. However I know the real reason as do the GSPCA & we can all succumb to heath issues.

Bear in mind that during the past years Sarah has personally rehomed 1200 dogs & most of them difficult breeds to rehome. She also rescued numerous horses. There are always two sides to a story.

That's all terrible but it wasn't much use to the starving pups in the youtube above

Anyway, thats all sorted now hopefully, back to these horses :

anywhere to make donations on the internet ?

any recent photos on Facebook or anywhere ?

can anyone visit them ?

Discodog · 28-02-2016 06:05PM

gctest50 wrote: »

That's all terrible but it wasn't much use to the starving pups in the youtube above

Anyway, thats all sorted now hopefully, back to these horses :

anywhere to make donations on the internet ?

any recent photos on Facebook or anywhere ?

can anyone visit them ?

Which horses ?

gctest50 · 28-02-2016 06:08PM

Originally Posted by Discodog
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Volunteers fed the traveller horses in Galway & local farmers helped out with feed......

These "Volunteer fed traveller horses in Galway "

Discodog · 28-02-2016 06:41PM

gctest50 wrote: »

These "Volunteer fed traveller horses in Galway "

https://www.facebook.com/forgottenhorsesireland

Very apt image there with the caption:

"Teach a child first to care then to ride"

dublinman1990 · 28-02-2016 07:02PM

A child's life has been lost in this accident which is more painful for the family to endure.

Whatever the outcome of this accident is known; they are all reminded that it not come with a more luckier reality ahead of them.

RIP and condolences to the family & friends who are affected by this tragedy.

gctest50 · 28-02-2016 07:19PM

Discodog wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/forgottenhorsesireland

Very apt image there with the caption:

"Teach a child first to care then to ride"

Every bit helps

For example : could they take 50 more though?

Last year, 62 horses were seized in the city with only four being reclaimed. The remainder were put down.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/scores-of-stray-horses-put-down-in-galway-city-517840.html

JP Liz V1 · 28-02-2016 07:59PM

RIP the poor child but why was his parents letting him on one of those dangerous traps

Discodog · 28-02-2016 08:30PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Every bit helps

For example : could they take 50 more though?

The cull that people have been demanding is already happening. People could take more. There are people out there who have horses & could afford to take in a rescue. A tiny increase in betting tax would enable thousands to be cared for.

myshirt · 28-02-2016 09:49PM

This ceasing of horses craic is an absolute scam and mechanism to channel public money into private hands. How the f"ck does it cost up to 5k per horse seized?

The kids want the horses and for a lot of these kids this is a positive thing in their lives that goes untapped by the rest of us. I've met kids in severe poverty, living in communities with shamefully high unemployment and high suicide rates amongst their young people. Really shameful to be honest lads that they are going into the river at much higher rates in these communities. Young person after young person. Some of thes younger kids looking on at this as their community are already dealing with stress that no kid should have to, including no stability of housing, and from a young age. Disenfranchised from school. Perhaps neglected by their parents.

The only thing they love is their horses. I believe money should be channelled into directing the kids energies into this rather than disenfranchising them further and meeting them as an unemployed adult or young offender. Channel the money and energy into positive initiatives, teach these kids a bit of discipline and self respect by meeting them head on on what appeals to their spirit and sense of self worth.

strandroad · 28-02-2016 09:59PM

myshirt wrote: »

The only thing they love is their horses.

Which they demonstrate by whipping them, leaving them without water, forcing them on the road, leaving them to wander onto the road, letting them suffer without any vet care as it costs money and a new pony can be had for next to nothing.

There should be no keeping of large animals in estates outside of a controlled club setting a la Dunsink. Want a pony? Get your friends and parents together and form a club.

FutureGuy · 28-02-2016 11:08PM

I was driving home from a family meal one afternoon about a year ago with my elderly parents in the car behind. As I turned the corner, I had to brake hard not to be in an accident.

Why?

A sulky with two boys on it just behind the corner. They were no older than seven. They were going down MY side of the road towards me. Behind them was two travellers in a car, clearly "keeping an eye on them".

Because we dared to brake in time, they decided to follow us while revving their car making threatening gestures to us. My mum was in bits.

If we had left the restaurant 5 seconds earlier, they're be another two dead traveler children.

So this accident doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

It's a disgrace that children can take live and unpredictable animals on roads.

FutureGuy · 28-02-2016 11:10PM

myshirt wrote: »

This ceasing of horses craic is an absolute scam and mechanism to channel public money into private hands. How the f"ck does it cost up to 5k per horse seized?

The kids want the horses and for a lot of these kids this is a positive thing in their lives that goes untapped by the rest of us. I've met kids in severe poverty, living in communities with shamefully high unemployment and high suicide rates amongst their young people. Really shameful to be honest lads that they are going into the river at much higher rates in these communities. Young person after young person. Some of thes younger kids looking on at this as their community are already dealing with stress that no kid should have to, including no stability of housing, and from a young age. Disenfranchised from school. Perhaps neglected by their parents.

The only thing they love is their horses. I believe money should be channelled into directing the kids energies into this rather than disenfranchising them further and meeting them as an unemployed adult or young offender. Channel the money and energy into positive initiatives, teach these kids a bit of discipline and self respect by meeting them head on on what appeals to their spirit and sense of self worth.

That has to be the most nonsense posts I have read today. Half starving animals thrown into fields without adequate food or water. Being whipped non-stop. Being left to die at the side of the road.

Yeah, love alright.

gctest50 · 29-02-2016 12:47AM

Discodog wrote: »

Originally Posted by gctest50

Every bit helps

For example : could they take 50 more though?

The cull that people have been demanding is already happening. People could take more. There are people out there who have horses & could afford to take in a rescue. A tiny increase in betting tax would enable thousands to be cared for.

Could they take 24,000 more ?

Horses slaughtered:
2009: 4,247
2010: 9,790
2011: 17,560
2012: 24,362

Source: Dept of Agriculture

In 2007 Ireland produced nearly 13,000 thoroughbred foals - more than the combined total of France and the UK that year.

Hans Bricks · 29-02-2016 10:42AM

I live close to where this happened and actually drove past the emergency services at the swallows last friday. So condolences to the young lad.

However that said, Im fed up seeing this **** everyday where scruffy clowns trot some poor half starved pony up and down tarmac and leave it festering on some piss poor green area. The back of Fettercairn in tallaght there is just one example. Now I know a lad who keeps his in a proper stable, well fed and looked after. But from what I can see he's a dime a dozen in that regard.

Just Imagine being 90 % of the horses you see in working class estates across the country. Miserable existence all so you can be wackers play thing on the weekend. People can **** right off with their "working class culture" argument.

BattleCorp · 29-02-2016 11:45AM

myshirt wrote: »

The only thing they love is their horses. I believe money should be channelled into directing the kids energies into this rather than disenfranchising them further and meeting them as an unemployed adult or young offender. Channel the money and energy into positive initiatives, teach these kids a bit of discipline and self respect by meeting them head on on what appeals to their spirit and sense of self worth.

I don't care if the kids love the horses. That's not the point here. They aren't in a position to look after these horses. If you don't have facilities to look after a horse, you shouldn't have one. A lot of these horses are in for a life of neglect and suffering.

Giving kids horses when they don't have the means to look after them won't teach them discipline and self respect, it will just give them more animals to neglect.

andekwarhola · 29-02-2016 11:53AM

Instead of middle-class social workers and the liberal commentariat advocating pumping tax money into these hobbies in some sort of well-meaning, Tristan exercise, they should be looking at getting them to stay in school and not tolerating their parents living in funded segregation from the rest of society.

Ice Maiden · 29-02-2016 11:58AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Instead of middle-class social workers and the liberal commentariat advocating pumping tax money into these hobbies in some sort of well-meaning, Tristan exercise, they should looking about getting them to stay in school and tolerating their their parents living in funded segregation from the rest of society.

Uh-oh... "settled people do stuff too" attack imminent.

BattleCorp · 29-02-2016 12:36PM

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Uh-oh... "settled people do stuff too" attack imminent.

Settled or traveller makes no difference, if you don't have the facilities to care properly for a horse, you shouldn't be allowed to have one.

And I don't give a fcuk if having horses is part of your culture, if you don't have land and stables etc, you shouldn't have a horse.

This is my personal opinion but anybody who has a horse but doesn't have land or stables or money for vets bills, feeding etc., they are scumbags for keeping an animal that they can't properly care for.

Cienciano · 29-02-2016 02:38PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Settled or traveller makes no difference, if you don't have the facilities to care properly for a horse, you shouldn't be allowed to have one.

And I don't give a fcuk if having horses is part of your culture, if you don't have land and stables etc, you shouldn't have a horse.

This is my personal opinion but anybody who has a horse but doesn't have land or stables or money for vets bills, feeding etc., they are scumbags for keeping an animal that they can't properly care for.

Simple as that really. If you don't have the ability to house your horse properly, it should be taken from you. Government or council shouldn't provide housing either.

foggy_lad · 29-02-2016 03:03PM

A horse and public liability insurance can cost upwards of 6 thousand a year to care for it properly, Maybe it is time to seek a deposit of a years care from anyone seeking a licence for a horse and treat all unlicensed animals as strays.

Ave Sodalis · 29-02-2016 04:25PM

foggy_lad wrote:

A horse and public liability insurance can cost upwards of 6 thousand a year to care for it properly, Maybe it is time to seek a deposit of a years care from anyone seeking a licence for a horse and treat all unlicensed animals as strays.

Really? I just paid â‚¬85 or near enough for public liability and personal insurance.

BattleCorp · 29-02-2016 04:36PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Really? I just paid â‚¬85 or near enough for public liability and personal insurance.

I think that the figure of €6000 includes the cost of keeping the horse and insuring it, not just insuring it.

Ave Sodalis · 29-02-2016 04:39PM

BattleCorp wrote:

I think that the figure of â‚¬6000 includes the cost of keeping the horse and insuring it, not just insuring it.

Meh, the cost of keeping a horse varies widely.

ohnonotgmail · 29-02-2016 05:15PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Meh, the cost of keeping a horse varies widely.

i suppose if you leave it tied up in a field to fend for itself i'm sure it can be pretty cheap.

Child Killed in Sulky Accident

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