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Rush for Irish passports brought on by Brexit fears

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  • #32
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,737 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Mech1 wrote: »
    I blame Witherspoons

    What's that? Do you mean Wetherspoons>


  • #33
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Bit much of the brits to want the advantage of not being in the eu while still claiming what I would see as the main benefit of being in.


  • #34
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,403 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Mech1 wrote: »
    I blame Witherspoons

    Leave Reece out of this.


  • #35
    maryishere
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    There re a lot more people from outside the UK wanting to get UK passports than there are people from the UK wanting to get EC passports.


  • #36
    LeeLooLee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 422 ✭✭LeeLooLee


    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    Bit much of the brits to want the advantage of not being in the eu while still claiming what I would see as the main benefit of being in.

    huh?


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  • #37
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    My kids have dual citizenship with an eastern European country and have even made use of their far more efficient health service for free.

    Sure they even paid us to have the kids.(much like we did a few years ago)

    My point...I don't see the problem with Brits getting Irish passports


  • #38
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    maryishere wrote: »
    There re a lot more people from outside the UK wanting to get UK passports than there are people from the UK wanting to get EC passports.

    And that's a matter for the British. Who they give citizenship to is their business. But I wouldn't like to see large numbers of people getting Irish citizenship purely to have an EU passport. The point of obtaining citizenship is that you're part of a society. If they want to come and live here, then that's fair enough.


  • #39
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Ruu wrote: »
    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!

    'Great Riddance' ?

    Maybe we are just better without them ?


  • #40
    LeeLooLee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 422 ✭✭LeeLooLee


    Rattser wrote: »
    And that's a matter for the British. Who they give citizenship to is their business. But I wouldn't like to see large numbers of people getting Irish citizenship purely to have an EU passport. The point of obtaining citizenship is that you're part of a society. If they want to come and live here, then that's fair enough.

    There's no obligation for them to live in Ireland. They're entitled to an Irish passport, that's that. The Irish government decided that having Irish blood makes you more worthy of having an Irish passport than being born in Ireland to foreign parents. Anyone who has the right to an Irish passport should be free to get one and to live wherever they want.

    And your argument is ridiculous. Would you really want 6 million Brits to turn up in Ireland and double the population? Putting strain on the health service, school places, etc.? You haven't thought this through.


  • #41
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    corkonion wrote: »
    They won't be entitled to work in Europe without a visa, social welfare, hospital care etc

    Sounds a bit like scaremonging. Norwegians can live and work in Europe even though Norway isn't in the EU because they are part of the EEA. Would the UK not be similar if they left?

    My child has an irish passport despite being born in England and only living in ireland for a year before we left again for the U.S.

    As far as I'm concerned she is irish and is entitled to citizenship and the law agrees.


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  • #42
    Rattser
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    LeeLooLee wrote: »
    There's no obligation for them to live in Ireland. They're entitled to an Irish passport, that's that. The Irish government decided that having Irish blood makes you more worthy of having an Irish passport than being born in Ireland to foreign parents. Anyone who has the right to an Irish passport should be free to get one and to live wherever they want.

    And your argument is ridiculous. Would you really want 6 million Brits to turn up in Ireland and double the population? Putting strain on the health service, school places, etc.? You haven't thought this through.

    Six million Brits aren't going to show up here. If British people want to live here - they are welcome to and then obtain citizenship through naturalisation. Brexit or no Brexit. This has always been the case.

    But none of them should be given citizenship for having an Irish grandparent and having never lived here. That's simply ridiculous. They are not Irish and perhaps the government should be looking to change the law.


  • #43
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My child has an irish passport despite being born in England and only living in ireland for a year before we left again for the U.S.

    As far as I'm concerned she is irish and is entitled to citizenship and the law agrees.

    A person born in the UK and who lives in the US is not Irish. Irish people are those born, raised or who spent a significant amount of time living here.

    The law needs to change.


  • #44
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Rattser wrote: »
    A person born in the UK and who lives in the US is not Irish. Irish people are those born, raised or who spent a significant amount of time living here.

    The law needs to change.

    She only lived in the UK for the first 6 months of her life so didn't spend a significant amount of time there. She obviously isn't american or entitled to citizenship here so what nationality do you suggest?


  • #45
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    She only lived in the UK for the first 6 months of her life so didn't spend a significant amount of time there. She obviously isn't american or entitled to citizenship here so what nationality do you suggest?

    Born in Britain, so I guess she would be considered British. I consider Irish people to be people who actually live here for a significant amount of time, born or raised here. How can one claim to be Irish otherwise?


  • #46
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Rattser wrote: »
    Born in Britain, so I guess she would be considered British. I consider Irish people to be people who actually live here for a significant amount of time, born or raised here. How can one claim to be Irish otherwise?

    I'm Irish. the only family she knows are irish and all live in Ireland. We go home a couple of times a year and hopefully will live there again in the future. It just makes sense to me for her to be an irish citizen. What are the negative effects on ireland caused by people with irish parents or grandparents claiming citizenship? I'm not really seeing any tbh


  • #47
    Berserker
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    Rattser wrote: »
    But none of them should be given citizenship for having an Irish grandparent and having never lived here. That's simply ridiculous. They are not Irish and perhaps the government should be looking to change the law.

    Should the same rule apply for people in NI? I know NI people, who have never lived in the RoI, have no intention of ever living here, consider themselves primarily British or Northern Irish but they are happy to snap up a second (Irish) passport which in the case of a Brexit will give them access to the EU. Personally, I am more than happy to give one to anyone from the British Isles. It's a tidy little revenue generator for us.


  • #48
    turnikett1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭turnikett1


    Rattser wrote: »
    Born in Britain, so I guess she would be considered British. I consider Irish people to be people who actually live here for a significant amount of time, born or raised here. How can one claim to be Irish otherwise?

    Being born somewhere doesn't mean you are that nationality. I have a white Irish friend of Irish parents who was born in Jamaica and lived there for 6 month... but he is not Jamaican.

    I think it depends moreso where you grew up and among whom. If you grow up in America to Irish parents, then you're Irish-American. If you grow up in Australia to Lebanese parents you're Lebanese-Australian. I have lots of friends who were born and raised in Ireland to English parents, they would consider themselves Irish firstly and primarily but would have no problem identifying as English if ever needed or so desired. The Hiberno-English as I like to call them :)


  • #49
    Zebra3
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    They stole our passports.




    No, wait, that was the Mossad murderers.


  • #50
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    turnikett1 wrote: »
    Being born somewhere doesn't mean you are that nationality. I have a white Irish friend of Irish parents who was born in Jamaica and lived there for 6 month... but he is not Jamaican.

    I think it depends moreso where you grew up and among whom. If you grow up in America to Irish parents, then you're Irish-American. If you grow up in Australia to Lebanese parents you're Lebanese-Australian. I have lots of friends who were born and raised in Ireland to English parents, they would consider themselves Irish firstly and primarily but would have no problem identifying as English if ever needed or so desired. The Hiberno-English as I like to call them :)

    This is a somewhat convoluted topic. I know who definitely are not Irish. People born abroad, to parents born and raised abroad. These people definitely are not Irish and it is a bit mad giving them citizenship purely due to having an Irish granny or grandad.


  • #51
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Berserker wrote: »
    Should the same rule apply for people in NI? I know NI people, who have never lived in the RoI, have no intention of ever living here, consider themselves primarily British or Northern Irish but they are happy to snap up a second (Irish) passport which in the case of a Brexit will give them access to the EU. Personally, I am more than happy to give one to anyone from the British Isles. It's a tidy little revenue generator for us.

    They get to choose to have either or under the GFA. At least they live on the island. Unlike those in the UK getting citizenship purely due to having an Irish granny. That's mad to me.

    Explain exactly how it's a revenue generator? Citizenship through descent is €127.


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  • #52
    Rattser
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I'm Irish. the only family she knows are irish and all live in Ireland. We go home a couple of times a year and hopefully will live there again in the future. It just makes sense to me for her to be an irish citizen. What are the negative effects on ireland caused by people with irish parents or grandparents claiming citizenship? I'm not really seeing any tbh

    I can see why those born abroad to Irish parents should be allowed obtain citizenship. It makes sense somewhat. I'm really struggling to find a reason why people two or three generations removed should be given citizenship. They're not Irish. Someone born and raised abroad to parents born and raised abroad is not Irish. It's mad to say otherwise.

    Irish citizenship should be for those who are a part of Irish society. By birth, parentage, being raised here or by moving and living here for a significant amount of time.


  • #53
    Berserker
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    Rattser wrote: »
    Explain exactly how it's a revenue generator? Citizenship through descent is €127.

    6m X €127 is a nice chunk of cash. There are plenty of good causes out there who would love some of that money.


  • #54
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,737 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    corkonion wrote: »
    They won't be entitled to work in Europe without a visa, social welfare, hospital care etc

    Don't believe this will be the case as they can still have treaties with nations and also be part of the EEA like Norway and Sweden.

    Also there are thousands of Brits living and working in Europe and it will be total chaos to force them to get visas and/or deport them.


  • #55
    Rattser
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    Berserker wrote: »
    6m X €127 is a nice chunk of cash. There are plenty of good causes out there who would love some of that money.

    Passports, staff, consulates, processing costs and embassies all cost money.

    There's no profit going to be made from this. We will be lucky to break even!


  • #56
    Berserker
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Don't believe this will be the case as they can still have treaties with nations and also be part of the EEA like Norway and Sweden.

    Also there are thousands of Brits living and working in Europe and it will be total chaos to force them to get visas and/or deport them.

    I agree. Deals will be done. The border between NI and the RoI would need to be manned etc because you would be leaving/entering the EU when you travel to/from NI but that isn't going to happen, for example.


  • #57
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Ruu wrote: »
    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!

    Sounds like an Aldi Weetabix ripoff.


  • #58
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Rattser wrote: »
    Passports, staff, consulates, processing costs and embassies all cost money.

    There's no profit going to be made from this. We will be lucky to break even!

    The staff and processes are in place as is. It'll mean an increase in the volume for the staff initially, nothing more. What embassies and consulates?


  • #59
    Rattser
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    Berserker wrote: »
    The staff and processes are in place as is. It'll mean an increase in the volume for the staff initially, nothing more. What embassies and consulates?

    The ones that they'll be applying at. They will need to put on extra staff if there is an increase in numbers applying.

    €127 a pop is hardly going to be a money spinner. Anyway, I thought the days of gombeens selling off passports were long gone. Citizenship, and who we issue it to, should not be devalued by lashing it out in an attempt to make a few bob.

    These people are not Irish, are only obtaining our nations citizenship as 'back up' and to hold on to an EU passport.


  • #60
    Cool_CM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Rattser wrote: »
    It's time to change the rules so. That article and site is dirt btw.

    I'm aware of that. So is the Daily Mail website and the vast majority of its content. That doesn't stop people from reading it and being influenced by it though.
    Rattser wrote: »
    These people are not Irish, are only obtaining our nations citizenship as 'back up' and to hold on to an EU passport.

    So they're being 'cute hoors' about it?
    Isn't that the most Irish trait of them all?


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  • #61
    Rattser
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    Cool_CM wrote: »
    So they're being 'cute hoors' about it?
    Isn't that the most Irish trait of them all?

    No. From the article :
    As soon as he gets his own passport back, Warnes will apply for Irish citizenship for his teenage daughters as well. “I certainly wouldn’t have done that if it wasn’t for Brexit.”
    Siobhan Mooney from London has never even been to Ireland but told the Guardian she decided to apply for citizenship through her Irish-born grandfather because she was getting “quite panicky” at the prospect of a British withdrawal. “I thought, well, if I get my Irish passport then at least if the UK is kicked out I’ve got some legal protection if I want to go and enjoy free movement in Europe.” She said she knew at least two other people who were considering doing the same thing.
    Glen O’Hara, a professor of modern and contemporary history at Oxford Brookes University, said he hadn’t absolutely decided to claim citizenship through his Northern Irish-born grandfather “but it’s nice to know that there’s a fallback position in case Britons really do prove willing to give up their rights as European Unioncitizens”.

    None of these people have any interest in becoming part of Irish society. They are obtaining citizenship for purely selfish reasons. We should change the laws.


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