The People v OJ Simpson - American Crime Story [** Spoilers **]

That speech from Robert Kardashian to his kids about "fame being fleeting" was so rediculous. Did he REALLY say that because if he did his kids totally ignored him

I also HATE the way he keeps saying "JUICE". I know that was OJ's nickname and maybe it is because I just keep picturing Ross from friends saying it but it really annoys me

This is Really good

Simpson scored a “minus-24” on a lie-detector test, a “total failure.”

True. He scored as low as possible, and the administrator tried to convince Shapiro that it was “conclusive” evidence of his guilt; as a result of the failed polygraph, Shapiro began investigating a possible insanity defense.

:pac:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/02/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-1-recap

Just seen episode 5

fin12 wrote: »

Just seen episode 5

is it true that the prosecution put a cop on the stand who was a nazi supporter [spoiler/]. Can't remember how to do spoilers?

Not quite but he was one of the reasons the case failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman

Wolverine359 wrote: »

David Schwimmer says Juice. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726Ujz_KOHE

That's downright hypnotising.

philstar wrote: »

can we change the title of this thread to...The People vs OJ Simpson cause thats the name of the series

It's a true crime anthology series called American Crime Story, the first season is about OJ Simpson so the thread title is accurate.

philstar wrote: »

in fairness no one knows it as...American Crime Story

I do and I doubt I'm the only one given that it's the name of the series.

Deleted User wrote: »

Have to agree. Anyone I talk to about the series don't say American crime story they say the people vs OJ Simpson.

I think the thread would get more notice with OJ in the title.

Ya your probably right but if someone really wants to find the thread they'll find it..

Ok in terms of quality this show is really poor. The writing is terrible, the acting terrible and the whole feel of the show feels like a poorly written soap opera. Travolta is shockingly bad with his sucking on a lemon acting, Schwimmer is lost and Cuba Gooding Jr completely miscast and putting in a horrendous performance. I would have loved to have seen Idris Elba cast as OJ with the show been a lot more darker, more serious and someone like David Fincher directing a couple of episodes.

I didn't say he's playing Kardashian as being lost what I meant is he is lost as in he doesn't know what way to act in this show except say 'juice' all the time, I like Schwimmer and thought he was fantastic in Band of Brothers, so some of Travolta's awful acting must have infected him. The show is enjoyable but really reached a low point with that posh dinner basil exposition nonsense.

ronnie3585 wrote: »

This weeks' episode is brilliant. Poor Marsha:(

what number episode is that? is Marsha the woman lawyer on the prosecution team..

its very borderline libellous, implying that OJ did it...whether we like it or not..he was found innocent after all

Really enjoyed the Marcia, Marcia, Marcia episode. I thought the show was a bit trashy in the beginning, but each week it has been getting stronger.

fryup wrote: »

its very borderline libellous, implying that OJ did it...whether we like it or not..he was found innocent after all

Seriously?

Copy-paste list of evidence below from elsewhere. If you can go through that and come to any conclusion other than the obvious one you are even more special than the people that were on his jury.

Key: Simpson = OJ Simpson; NBS = Nicole Brown Simpson

Forensic evidence

Simpson's blood was found at the Bundy crime scene, in his Ford Bronco and at his home
Simpson's bloody shoe prints were found at the crime scene
Hairs found in a woollen cap at the crime scene were a forensic match for Simpson
A bloody glove was found on a footpath at the rear of Simpson's home. The blood was a DNA match for Simpson and that of both victims. Hairs of both victims were also found on the glove, and microscopic fibres matched the carpet of Simpson's Bronco. The glove was a match for the other one found at the Bundy crime scene
A pair of blood-spattered socks were found on Simpson's bedroom floor. The blood was a match for Simpson and NBS. This evidence proved to be controversial, as traces of EDTA (a blood preservative used when collecting samples) was detected in the blood, indicating possible contamination
Blood of both victims was found in the Bronco

Circumstantial evidence

On the night of the murders, Simpson sustained a very deep wound to a finger on his left hand. In fact not only the same night, but the precise hour that the crimes were committed. In his first police interview the day after, Simpson said that he could not recall how he had been cut. However, in subsequent testimony he claimed that he cut it while retrieving his cell phone from his car while rushing to catch his flight to Chicago
Two independent witnesses swore that they saw Simpson's white Bronco, or a vehicle very similar to it, speed away from Nicole's street at the precise time that the murders are believed to have occurred
The bloody footprints found at the crime scene were matched to a size 12 Bruno Magli Lorenzo shoe. These Italian designer shoes were so rare that only 299 pairs were sold in the USA up to that point. Photographic evidence of Simpson wearing these exact shoes were shown in the civil trial, despite Simpson previously denying that he ever owned them
The five blood drops found on a footpath at the crime scene that were matched to Simpson were all to the left of the shoe prints, the same side that Simpson cut his hand that night
The bloody gloves were identical to a pair that NBS bought for her husband in 1990. Like the shoes these were very rare models, with only 200 pairs sold in that year
Simpson had a long history of spousal abuse against his ex-wife. In their 17 year relationship, NBS had called the police 9 times to complain of domestic violence. Simpson was convicted in 1989 of spousal abuse and was sentenced to community service
NBS had confided in friends shortly before her murder that she feared Simpson would kill her one day. She also suspected that he was stalking her
Two days after the murders, Simpson's defence team had him undergo a polygraph test. Knowing that whatever the outcome the test would be inadmissible as evidence, they hoped for a positive result that might be used to sway public opinion in favour of Simpson. In the polygraph, a score of -6 or less indicates deception while +6 indicates that the subject is telling the truth. Simpson failed the test miserably, scoring -22. In a report submitted to defence attorney Robert Shapiro, the test administrator Dennis Nellany interpreted the polygraph as an indication of Simpson's guilt in the murders. Unsurprisingly, the defence chose not to publicise the results. The test eventually came to light during the 1996 civil trial
When Simpson was notified via his lawyers that he was to be charged with the murders and to surrender at the police station, he instead absconded with his friend AC Cowlings, leaving what seemed to be a suicide note. When he was finally apprehended after the notorious Bronco chase, he was found with his passport, a gun, a fake beard, clean underwear and $8750 cash, which Cowlings said OJ had asked him to hold. A receipt found with the beard showed that it had been purchased two weeks prior to the murders
A guard at the jail where Simpson was being held on remand, who sat outside the door of the room where Simpson talked to minister Rosey Grier, swore that he overheard Simpson shout "I didn't mean to do it. I'm sorry."
Simpson had no alibi for the time of the murders. In varying accounts he claimed to either be asleep or chipping golf balls on his lawn alone in the dark

did Bob Shapiro really have access to those gloves during jury recess ??

ridiculous that it was allowed to happen, farce of a trial

fryup wrote: »

did Bob Shapiro really have access to those gloves during jury recess ??

ridiculous that it was allowed to happen, farce of a trial

Apparently they had access for an hour during lunch. Chris Darden after Cochran was dead went on to claim that johnnie cut the lining of the gloves.
Another claim was that OJ stopped taking his meds for arthritis which caused his hands to swell up though it's unclear if this is accurate as the meds take weeks to act. Another claim is that they simply shrunk when washed.

Either way that's the moment the prosecution gave the trial away according to most commentators.

but the thing is they did fit his hands albeit a tight fit, and lets not forget he was wearing latex gloves underneath which would have made it even tighter...can't believe the trial swung on this

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Every time I see Travolta I think of yer man out of The Mask.

Hahahaha!

frostyjacks wrote: »

Loved the scene where Shapiro tries to put the frighteners on Kardashian. "Maybe five years, you'll be out in two.". "What the f...?"

The acting is great in this, a mixture of deadly seriousness and then some pantomime-esque scenery chewing stuff. I'd prefer the episodes were a bit longer though, maybe show two back to back. Yanks must take ad breaks every five minutes.

They are riddled wi ad breaks. Every 5 - 10 minutes to peddle some pharmaceutical pish.

The show is gripping me more and more. What is painful is the prosecution clearly having a solid case, but media and popularity overruling it.

I finished the book by Toobin and watched both docs by Bugliosi. It's crazy how much the trial was messed up. First off the DA Garcetti should never have let the trial be held downtown in a prominent black area. He didn't realize he could have held it in Brentwood until Bugliosi pointed it out to him after the trial was over. Second the 'dream team' who defended Simpson were washed up lawyers apart from Cochran. Judge Ito was more concerned in how he was being portrayed by the media than running a proper trial and he made some massive mistakes, the main one being letting race become the main issue of the trial. The Jury were completely idiotic. As for the prosecution the fact that they didn't include into evidence the suicide note, the bronco chase, the money and disguise, and most importantly Simpsons interview with the police the day after the murders when he admits he doesn't know how he badly cut himself and bled all over his house,driveway and bronco shows how useless they were.

Cathy.C wrote: »

Many years later though I fully accept he for sure did have doubts at that stage and they were very much evident the second time around when Barbara Walters interviews him.

very telling interview,

*what does Kardashian say at the end (10.15) when Walters asks him "will OJ Simpson go to heaven?" ?????