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Getting out of the Education sector

  • 31-03-2016 12:30PM
    #1
    mrtuckers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭


    After 5 years moving around substituting in schools, adult education and more recently some private tutor contracting, I can finally say I'm finished with it. I'm totally finished with the public education sector.

    I was never able to secure a permanent post. There either wasn’t one to be had or somebody more connected pipped me to post!

    It was unsustainable. I was unable to get loans or a mortgage, not that I want big debt wrapped around my neck, but it would have been nice to know I had the choice.

    I was promised the sun/moon/stars year on year by a certain educational public bodies and individuals within them.

    I'm now lucky to be going back into the private sector to work for a strong multinational company, to a permanent pensionable job. It took a few years of interviewing and slog, but I managed it to get it.

    I've seen less qualified, even unqualified, yet more connected people secure positions in the public sector. Not that I had a preference to work in the public sector. No, all I wanted was some sort of job security. I’ve worked in 4 different counties, on both sides of the island since 2011. Never did management give a thought to my relocation costs or travel expenses, while I watched management top-heavy pensionables fill out their mileage expense sheets.

    I say good luck to them, they can keep their pile, while the world and education sector in this country goes to sh1t.


Comments

  • #2
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    mrtuckers wrote: »
    After 5 years...I was never able to secure a permanent post. There either wasn’t one to be had or somebody more connected pipped me to post!

    I'm now lucky to be going back into the private sector to work for a strong multinational company, to a permanent pensionable job. It took a few years of interviewing and slog, but I managed it to get it.

    Good for you. In the last 5 years Ireland had a merciless crash in which very few permanent jobs - public or private sector - were going.

    I'm sure there are some in education that after 5 years of trying have just gotten their permanent job too.

    Given it took you a few years to get a private sector job - are you shocked that it might take longer to get a public sector one?
    mrtuckers wrote: »
    I've seen less qualified, even unqualified, yet more connected people secure positions in the public sector.

    I've seen this happen in the private sector. Just saying....

    The grass isn't always greener.


  • #3
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,453 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Good for you. In the last 5 years Ireland had a merciless crash in which very few permanent jobs - public or private sector - were going.

    Ahh, no.

    The crash happened in 2008. It's now 2016, that's 8 years later, not 5. For me, and most people I know, recovery started in 2011-ish: I got full time work at a far lower level than I was qualified for at the start of the year, permanent half way thru, and back to a pre-crash level job by October. Don't believe my experience is unique here.


    Dughorm wrote: »

    I've seen this happen in the private sector. Just saying....

    The grass isn't always greener.

    The difference is that it's ok in the private sector, but that there's an expectation (probably enshrined in the law somewhere) that this doesn't happen in public sector jobs.


  • #4
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Ahh, no.

    The crash happened in 2008. It's now 2016, that's 8 years later, not 5. For me, and most people I know, recovery started in 2011-ish: I got full time work at a far lower level than I was qualified for at the start of the year, permanent half way thru, and back to a pre-crash level job by October. Don't believe my experience is unique here.

    Agreed crash happened from 2008. The OP's post framed his post in the last 5 years and that's why I mentioned that timescale.

    I think academically you might be right that the recovery started in 2011 but for the vast majority that was as hollow as "Keep the recovery going"!
    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The difference is that it's ok in the private sector, but that there's an expectation (probably enshrined in the law somewhere) that this doesn't happen in public sector jobs.

    Oh dear, why is nepotism and chronyism ok in the private sector now? It happens - but I thought it wasn't ok anywhere.


  • #5
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,453 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Oh dear, why is nepotism and chronyism ok in the private sector now? It happens - but I thought it wasn't ok anywhere.

    Ok course it's ok: the entire purpose of most family businesses is to provide for the family: providing them with income, providing them with jobs.

    Now, it may not be good management practise: you certainly end up with some perfectly good companies ruined because Paddy-ne'er-do-well-favourite-son was given a job way beyond what it was able for - but it's certainly not illegal or immoral.


  • #6
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Ok course it's ok: the entire purpose of most family businesses is to provide for the family: providing them with income, providing them with jobs.

    Now, it may not be good management practise: you certainly end up with some perfectly good companies ruined because Paddy-ne'er-do-well-favourite-son was given a job way beyond what it was able for - but it's certainly not illegal or immoral.

    Ah but private sector does not equal family businesses! Loads of non-family businesses in the private sector.

    Is nepotism / chronyism ok in multinationals, Plc's, professional firms now?

    Besides loads of discrimination caused by nepotism / chronyism is immoral or "illegal" in the private sector, just look at some anti-discrimination claims.

    http://www.anthonyjoyce.ie/employment-law-legal-pitfalls-hiring-staff


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