Roberto Martinez Sacked

Lumbo · 12-05-2016 03:31PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Rafa for Everton

Only Bill Kenwright could appoint a manager less popular with Everton fans then Martinez. Watch this space!!!

Hank Scorpio · 12-05-2016 03:40PM

Spoofer.

wally79 · 12-05-2016 03:46PM

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Would of been hard not too though

After Martinez took over at Wigan their goals conceded went up by between 20-30 goals per season compared to the 4 prem league seasons before hand

The man cannot organise a defence and that was his downfall yet again

dfx- · 12-05-2016 03:54PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

I cant see Koeman taking a sideways step and joining Everton, although on one hand it could be argued it would be a backwards step.

Southampton can still finish 6th if they win and West Ham fail to do so on Sunday.

It's a very tough job dealing with the level of unjustified expectation at Everton. It's not worth taking a sideways step imo.

Even when they were playing well earlier in the season, there was abuse raining down from the stands. There's a complete breakdown between players and fans, managers and fans, board and fans. Is it any surprise it has ended with performances like the last two.

He'd be mad to take it.

Joshua J · 12-05-2016 03:57PM

dfx- wrote: »

It's a very tough job dealing with the level of unjustified expectation at Everton. It's not worth taking a sideways step imo.

Even when they were playing well earlier in the season, there was abuse raining down from the stands. There's a complete breakdown between players and fans, managers and fans, board and fans. Is it any surprise it has ended with performances like the last two.

He'd be mad to take it.

When were we playin g well I must have missed that?. You sure you're not thinking bout last season?.

IvySlayer · 12-05-2016 04:00PM

De Boer or Mark Hughes

Martinez is a very stubborn coach but he has won an FA Cup with Wigan

loyatemu · 12-05-2016 04:01PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

I cant see Koeman taking a sideways step and joining Everton, although on one hand it could be argued it would be a backwards step.

Southampton can still finish 6th if they win and West Ham fail to do so on Sunday.

Everton are a much bigger club historically and in terms of fanbase, they have a new rich owner who has promised to spend money, and their problems this season are almost entirely down to lousy management - they have a decent squad with a mix of experienced pros and promising youngsters. I think it would be a step up for Koeman.

thebaz · 12-05-2016 04:03PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

I remember the days when Everton fans thought they'd done great in Moyes leaving and Martinez coming in.

I was one of those - the Moyes era was more successful, but the football could be a little tedious - with Martinez it was a roller coaster - the first year great and refreshing after a few years of mediocrity - the past 2 years were poor , and always felt he should be judged on the 3 year - and the was proven not good eneogh to manage Everton , when you see what has happened at similar sized clubs - Leeda, Villa , Newcastle - certainly could have been worse - think he will re-invent himself at a smaller club - his record at Wigan and Swansea was super , yes Wigan got relegated but they were never really a big club. Rafa has managed over a big club going down.
Anyway right move all round , his time was up, and I certainly wish him well, and have some good memories , even beating Chelsea in FA Cup and some of the football we played earlier this year was super.

wally79 · 12-05-2016 04:06PM

Joshua J wrote: »

When were we playin g well I must have missed that?. You sure you're not thinking bout last season?.

It can't be last season either. Must be the year before

Chardee MacDennis · 12-05-2016 04:16PM

There's the core of a pretty decent team there with Lukaku, Stones, Baines, Barkley, Deulofeu, Coleman, McCarthy, and Mirallas.

SlickRic · 12-05-2016 04:22PM

it's simple.

it's one thing to be able to encourage football that is open and easy on the eye. it will take teams by surprise, and teams will be unable to deal with it in a lot of instances.

it's a whole other thing when teams have gotten a good look at you, and figure out that you have no intention of getting your team competent at defending high balls into the box, and just generally tough to beat. if you play good football, but you've a soft centre, you'll get found out.

What Moyes had left papered over a lot of Martinez's short comings. There was a sweet spot for about 12 months where Jagielka, Howard, Baines, Pienaar, Coleman and Barry were all at peak performance, making things stable, and it was sprinkled with the emergence of Barkley, Lukaku's brute force, and Martinez's ability to get a team to play expansively.

the problem is, that sweet spot doesn't last forever unless you have the ability to identify solid players to replace the old ones, or just able to set a team up properly. It's Arsene Wenger syndrome, only on a much smaller scale. he inherited stability, sprinkled it with his style, and Arsenal had the best team in the league for a period. But it waned.

You can't live off 'nice football'. Rodgers tried, but had Suarez. Martinez has tried, but he's also been unmasked as a spoofer.

The fact Stones hasn't just failed to kick on, but arguably has gotten worse this year, is testament to Martinez's ignorance of the art of defending and stability. Stones hasn't learned a thing about defending; a marvellous footballer, who needs some defensive coaching, and he'll be a phenom.

Everton will be the biggest club Martinez ever manages, just like Liverpool will be the biggest club Rodgers ever does.

Gavlor · 12-05-2016 04:31PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

I cant see Koeman taking a sideways step and joining Everton, although on one hand it could be argued it would be a backwards step.

Southampton can still finish 6th if they win and West Ham fail to do so on Sunday.

Trust a Chelsea fan to forget about the past 100 years and to consider a flash new club to be bigger than 4th most successful club in English league history.....

Skylinehead · 12-05-2016 05:10PM

SlickRic wrote: »

. It's Arsene Wenger syndrome, only on a much smaller scale. he inherited stability, sprinkled it with his style, and Arsenal had the best team in the league for a period. But it waned.

Which of Wenger's 03/04 defence was inherited again? They were all his signings, aside from Ashley Cole who he brought through.

blinding · 12-05-2016 05:18PM

Joshua J wrote: »

He relegated Wigan bud.

I know but he had done very well before that and he did win the cup . To have done as well as he had done with Wigan before that was good going and he also did well at Swansea . Some one was bound to be the manager of Wigan when they went down. A club of that size is almost certainly not going to stay in the top division indefinitely.

Ok, he seemed incapable of getting this Everton side to defend.

CSF · 12-05-2016 05:25PM

blinding wrote: »

I know but he had done very well before that and he did win the cup . To have done as well as he had done with Wigan before that was good going and he also did well at Swansea . Some one was bound to be the manager of Wigan when they went down. A club of that size is almost certainly not going to stay in the top division indefinitely.

Ok, he seemed incapable of getting this Everton side to defend.

I don't think he deserves that much credit for Wigan, cup aside, he didn't get them up. He kept them up but I could name you a long list of mediocre managers who be kept small teams up on low budgets.

As proven by Sunderland barely even showing up for 60% of a season and staying up with a game to spare, it's really not that difficult to stay in the Premier League once in it at the moment. There always seems to be a couple of implosions going on somewhere.

Giggsy11 · 12-05-2016 05:48PM

blinding wrote: »

I know but he had done very well before that and he did win the cup . To have done as well as he had done with Wigan before that was good going and he also did well at Swansea . Some one was bound to be the manager of Wigan when they went down. A club of that size is almost certainly not going to stay in the top division indefinitely.

Ok, he seemed incapable of getting this Everton side to defend.

Wigan were better with Bruce as manager. Finished in higher positions and spent more or less same in the transfer market. If we consider Net spend then Bruce is much better.

blinding · 12-05-2016 05:52PM

CSF wrote: »

I don't think he deserves that much credit for Wigan, cup aside, he didn't get them up. He kept them up but I could name you a long list of mediocre managers who be kept small teams up on low budgets.

As proven by Sunderland barely even showing up for 60% of a season and staying up with a game to spare, it's really not that difficult to stay in the Premier League once in it at the moment. There always seems to be a couple of implosions going on somewhere.

How many seasons did he keep them up ? A few at least I think. Not bad going.

He certainly was found out at the higher level (of Everton) defensively. Its surprising that a coach in this situation would not get in some defensive coaching help . I suppose not everyone can cope with that. In the end he has been a failure at Everton. His teams do play good attacking football but that is no good if you cannot defend. The boringly defensive manager Mourinho has knocked a great career out of his defensive football ;Sadly.

CSF · 12-05-2016 05:55PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Wigan were better with Bruce as manager. Finished in higher positions and spent more or less same in the transfer market. If we consider Net spend then Bruce is much better.

I know people would scoff at it because Bruce spent last season at Hull while Martinez was at Everton, but I'd have Bruce higher up the managerial food chain than Martinez. 2 consecutive bottom half finishes with a squad like Everton's is almost unheard of.

Mostly because nobody usually gets as far as the end of the 2nd season but it took ages for Martinez's unearned reputation to start to fade. It actually kind of bugs me when you consider certain managers who've descended into ridicule for less.

mikeym · 12-05-2016 05:57PM

Everton dont sack many managers they had to sack Bobby.

12-05-2016 05:58PM

It's a shame he's gone. He'll be missed by opposing fans and teams

Jayop · 12-05-2016 06:01PM

Amazing that he couldn't get someone in to help him set up their defense. The issues they had just seemed so obvious to everyone apart from himself.

Giggsy11 · 12-05-2016 06:03PM

CSF wrote: »

I know people would scoff at it because Bruce spent last season at Hull while Martinez was at Everton, but I'd have Bruce higher up the managerial food chain than Martinez. 2 consecutive bottom half finishes with a squad like Everton's is almost unheard of.

Mostly because nobody usually gets as far as the end of the 2nd season but it took ages for Martinez's unearned reputation to start to fade. It actually kind of bugs me when you consider certain managers who've descended into ridicule for less.

At one point few papers said Martinez would be Barca manager and how he is changing Everton into something the fans dreamed of (something along that line). Didn't last long.

Any manager who can sort out defense can't survive at bigger club. His Everton team played superbly in the first season but many said it won't take much time to see the defense falling apart.

Bruce is sort of mystery, sometimes his teams looks good and many a times they look like they don't belong in PL. But at least his Wigan team was better and much more watchable than Martinez's team.

Joshua J · 12-05-2016 06:09PM

Jayop wrote: »

Amazing that he couldn't get someone in to help him set up their defense. The issues they had just seemed so obvious to everyone apart from himself.

That's the thing he didn't think we had issues. It was the referees, the weather, the fans, too many games, anything but blame himself. He truly believed he was doing a great job and circumstances outside his control were the reason we were terrible. People who don't support Everton and haven't listened to his interviews for three years would say I'm joking. I'm not.

thebaz · 12-05-2016 06:13PM

SlickRic wrote: »

it's simple.

It's Arsene Wenger syndrome, only on a much smaller scale. he inherited stability, sprinkled it with his style, and Arsenal had the best team in the league for a period. But it waned.

No its not so simple - sure its popular to kick Wegener now when he's down, like it is with anyone - but he was a breadth of fresh air for English football , he has managed Arsenal into a new stadium , with little net investment , and yet year on year get Arsenal into the CL - did he not manage Arsenal unbeaten one season ? Arsenal have played some of the best football ever in the Premiership , that City with all there billions struggle to match . Same to a lesser extent with Martinez , he helped create the Swansea revolution, managed a small team to FA Cup - yes he failed at the bigger club , but no harm in trying - sometimes in life you fail , so not so simple.

Jayop · 12-05-2016 06:16PM

Joshua J wrote: »

That's the thing he didn't think we had issues. It was the referees, the weather, the fans, too many games, anything but blame himself. He truly believed he was doing a great job and circumstances outside his control were the reason we were terrible. People who don't support Everton and haven't listened to his interviews for three years would say I'm joking. I'm not.

Nah man I've heard him enough times to know exactly what you mean. I know you guys felt Moyes had hit a bit of a ceiling and had taken you as far as he could so a change at that time probably made a lot of sense, but it's hard to now if Moyes would have been able to step it up with the money you now seem to have. I know he was crap in the market for United with his hesitancy to do anything but he was much more confident in himself at Everton and with the scouting system he apparently had in place there I think you guys would be in a much better place had he stayed.

The big question now is, who next??

eh i dunno · 12-05-2016 06:16PM

Having watched just about every game of his three years I'm delighted he's gone. First year was a success based on a more attacking line up and the back 4 still well drilled in moyes's defensive methods. It was the perfect mix. Last season was a disaster with relegation still a possibility in late March.

This season got even worse. Wide open and no concentration whatsoever. We conceded so many goals after scoring and an even worse habit of quickly conceding two within 5 mins.

He won't get another premiership job but he might be a success somewhere in Spain.

He's made a mess of stones and Barkley's development and left an aging squad. Howard, jagielka, baines, Hibbert, Barry, osman, kone,pienaar.

And his biggest mistake. Buying a 14m striker called niasse who is phoenix Park standard.

Joshua J · 12-05-2016 06:31PM

Jayop wrote: »

Nah man I've heard him enough times to know exactly what you mean. I know you guys felt Moyes had hit a bit of a ceiling and had taken you as far as he could so a change at that time probably made a lot of sense, but it's hard to now if Moyes would have been able to step it up with the money you now seem to have. I know he was crap in the market for United with his hesitancy to do anything but he was much more confident in himself at Everton and with the scouting system he apparently had in place there I think you guys would be in a much better place had he stayed.

The big question now is, who next??

All Moyes was lacking during his time with us was a Lukaku, someone who would get him 25 goals a season. He was great in the transfer market getting cheap players and I guess it proves how good a coach he was that they improved under him. Utd was a poisoned chalice whoever took over was on a hiding to nothing if they didn't hit the ground running.

Who next for us?. Apparently we've been talking to Mourinhos people, Pellegrini is out of work and Frank De Boer has made it known he wants us. Skys the limit.

Jayop · 12-05-2016 06:33PM

Joshua J wrote: »

All Moyes was lacking during his time with us was a Lukaku, someone who would get him 25 goals a season. He was great in the transfer market getting cheap players and I guess it proves how good a coach he was that they improved under him. Utd was a poisoned chalice whoever took over was on a hiding to nothing if they didn't hit the ground running.

Who next for us?. Apparently we've been talking to Mourinhos people, Pellegrini is out of work and Frank De Boer has made it known he wants us. Skys the limit.

I swear if you get Mourinho and we're left with VanGaal there will be riots.

wally79 · 12-05-2016 06:38PM

Jayop wrote: »

I swear if you get Mourinho and we're left with VanGaal there will be riots.

Hopefully LVG will lead you to FA cup glory and save his job

Lumbo · 12-05-2016 06:46PM

Talk of Jose to Everton is laughable

Roberto Martinez Sacked

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