Trinity invite BNP leader Nick Griffin over for debate on immigration

Eric Cartman

Fromthetrees wrote: »

You simply have to be the most ridiculous human being there is, yes there is benefit fraud but that is a system failure and nothing else, it is not an immigration problem like you espouse, what is the actual problem you say there is, is it the blacks or the gypsies or the ordinary Irish scrounger, scumbag, layabout or drug addict????? Of coarse there's a message from Nick 'National Front' Griffin, it's a message that we need to integrate society at all times at all financial cost because the alternative is having democratically elected 'human beings' such as him, like I said Irish society is way too humongous at the moment for there to be a real problem but if there isn't debate and conversation about the issue there could be ghettos and no go 'foreign areas' if something isn't done now, so bring on debate but **** off with the hate, I can't see why that can't happen.

your post is really hard to follow ,

but i didnt say blacks, there are plenty of black people in this country who do not abuse our social welfare system.

aside from that the gypsies, layabouts, drug addicts, - I have a problem with them all and would cut off their social welfare in the morning if i could

indioblack

Dionysus wrote: »

Because, well to state the obvious, they didn't "die for freedom". They clearly died to protect and/or enhance the power of the British Empire/British state. No more, and no less. So stop trying to romanticise it as something it never was intended to be.

British people and many of their more dishonest academics have simply wiped all that collaboration between the British and Nazi Germany in the 1930s out of history, despite the abundant historical evidence.

That's about as accurate as the Free State refusing to call it a war.

crucamim

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I thought you were a catholic? Not a very Christian attitude.

I am a Catholic, a real Catholic, an Ulster Catholic. Unlike middle-class, Eire Lefties, I am concerned about the plight of working class Irish people who are being bullied by immigrant-loving Political Correctness bullies.

Fromthetrees

Eric Cartman wrote: »

your post is really hard to follow ,

but i didnt say blacks, there are plenty of black people in this country who do not abuse our social welfare system.

aside from that the gypsies, layabouts, drug addicts, - I have a problem with them all and would cut off their social welfare in the morning if i could

I tried to be quite clear, thought I was. I'm trying to say that integration is what this whole issue is all about, with it, we'll have a black/chinese captain lifting the Liam McCarthy Cup in a few years, without it we'll have ghettos and slums of foreigners. I agree with you on some level, where I live the only roma gypsies I've seen, which is quite a few have been bumming money on the side of the street, getting the same money as my unemployed friends yet they still bum, one that lived next to me was a kiddie fiddler as well, it was in the paper, the guards said he'd be 'deported' but I just reckon he moved places cause all the neighbours gave him hassle, realistically where is he gone now, up the road?

Eric Cartman

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I tried to be quite clear, thought I was. I'm trying to say that integration is what this whole issue is all about, with it, we'll have a black/chinese captain lifting the Liam McCarthy Cup in a few years, without it we'll have ghettos and slums of foreigners. I agree with you on some level, where I live the only roma gypsies I've seen, which is quite a few have been bumming money on the side of the street, getting the same money as my unemployed friends yet they still bum, one that lived next to me was a kiddie fiddler as well, it was in the paper, the guards said he'd be 'deported' but I just reckon he moved places cause all the neighbours gave him hassle, I came to blows with him, realistically where is he gone now, up the road?

integration is fine for the foreign nationals who want to integrate, the last thing Ireland needs is an east london style ghetto of arabs or nigerians or whoever, the easiest way to make Ireland accept foreing nationals is to take a hardline on the benefit scroungers, criminals etc and deport them home , leaving us to integrate with the functioning members of our society , improving relations and helping ireland only have the upsides of ethnic diversity.

Fromthetrees

Eric Cartman wrote: »

integration is fine for the foreign nationals who want to integrate, the last thing Ireland needs is an east london style ghetto of arabs or nigerians or whoever, the easiest way to make Ireland accept foreing nationals is to take a hardline on the benefit scroungers, criminals etc and deport them home , leaving us to integrate with the functioning members of our society , improving relations and helping ireland only have the upsides of ethnic diversity.

The last thing Ireland needs is an east London style ghetto, agreed, I consider myself left leaning and we need integration. Scroungers and 'others'(I don't want to be banned) need to be dealt with humanely, if you're not Irish and want to stay here you better integrate and like living here with Paddys, if you don't like Paddys then **** off, I can't see us agreeing on many things but I reckon we can on fundamentals.

LondonIrish90

Eric Cartman wrote: »

integration is fine for the foreign nationals who want to integrate, the last thing Ireland needs is an east london style ghetto of arabs or nigerians or whoever, the easiest way to make Ireland accept foreing nationals is to take a hardline on the benefit scroungers, criminals etc and deport them home , leaving us to integrate with the functioning members of our society , improving relations and helping ireland only have the upsides of ethnic diversity.

The thing is with areas in East London is that they are made into ghettos by such a small number of radicalised individuals. It is infuriating that the government wont take a hard line on the islamic extremists who wish to turn the areas into "Shariah zones" due to the fact they are scared to tackle these deluded, evil individuals. They are happy to let these areas fester as no go zones for the majority of the population.

Saying that, these guys aren't quite as intimidating as they think! I know of friends who are at university in London and some areas of east london are heavily populated with 2nd and 3rd year students. A housemate of someone I went to school with is jewish and apparently often walks though these areas apparently occupied by bands of extremists wearing his tel aviv football and basketball jerseys, both which have the star of david and the hebrew alphabet emblazoned on them. He's apparently a big lad so they wouldnt say anything even if they did notice!

With these people left to run free and spread their messages of hate, evil and division is it any wonder right wing parties are recieving more support? Its not as if the mainstream centrist parties are showing any interest in removing these extremists (who currently only number in the low thousands - but if not tackled I am absolutely convinced we will see a Northern ireland style scenario in London with islamic communities and British communties not mixing) its coming and so is the civil war!

Dionysus

indioblack wrote: »

That's about as accurate as the Free State refusing to call it a war.

Cú Giobach

crucamim wrote: »

I am a Catholic, a real Catholic, an Ulster Catholic. Unlike middle-class, Eire Lefties, I am concerned about the plight of working class Irish people who are being bullied by immigrant-loving Political Correctness bullies.

If you are going to keep using the Irish word for Ireland the least you could do is actually spell it correctly, Éire.

Sooopie

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The last thing Ireland needs is an east London style ghetto, agreed, I consider myself left leaning and we need integration. Scroungers and 'others'(I don't want to be banned) need to be dealt with humanely, if you're not Irish and want to stay here you better integrate and like living here with Paddys, if you don't like Paddys then **** off, I can't see us agreeing on many things but I reckon we can on fundamentals.

what would you suggest is the best way to humanely deal with these scroungers & "others" so?

desertcircus

Because when an ethnic ghetto takes shape, it's the immigrants' fault. They're refusing to become part of our society. Nothing whatsoever to do with white flight, where natives decide to move out of the area. God no. That'd mean a decent number of us were hostile enough to the newcomers that we'd move house to get away from them, and sure we're not racists. It must be the fault of people moving over here, who find the only places they can afford to live are the places abandoned by the natives once a decent number of non-nationals move in. Bloody foreigners, coming in and moving into houses we don't want. How dare they?

LondonIrish90

desertcircus wrote: »

Because when an ethnic ghetto takes shape, it's the immigrants' fault. They're refusing to become part of our society. Nothing whatsoever to do with white flight, where natives decide to move out of the area. God no. That'd mean a decent number of us were hostile enough to the newcomers that we'd move house to get away from them, and sure we're not racists. It must be the fault of people moving over here, who find the only places they can afford to live are the places abandoned by the natives once a decent number of non-nationals move in. Bloody foreigners, coming in and moving into houses we don't want. How dare they?

Human nature. People stick to what they know and feel comfortable with. You see it in London already with English neighbourhoods and immigrant neighbourhoods standing side by side but not really together.

One thing I don't understand is why successive British governments have let thousands upon thousands of immigrants in who they know will do nothing more than cause strain to the economy and society in general.

Take Somalis for example. Under the last labour leadership, 40,000 Somalis were let into Britain. They now live in one of the poorest parts of London. Previous Somali immigrants have one of the highest levels of unemployment as a group, one of the highest levels of crime in woolwich (where they live), one of the highest rates of welfare payments etc. We know this about the Somali community. WHY THE HELL DO YOU DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF THEM IN THE CITY?

They provide nothing as a bunch. They take and take and take as a bunch. They cause trouble as a bunch. The labour government made this decision even though it 100% conflicted with the best interests of England and the English people. But then again, England doesnt exist according to high ranking labour officials. Scum.

desertcircus

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

desertcircus wrote: »

Because when an ethnic ghetto takes shape, it's the immigrants' fault. They're refusing to become part of our society. Nothing whatsoever to do with white flight, where natives decide to move out of the area. God no. That'd mean a decent number of us were hostile enough to the newcomers that we'd move house to get away from them, and sure we're not racists. It must be the fault of people moving over here, who find the only places they can afford to live are the places abandoned by the natives once a decent number of non-nationals move in. Bloody foreigners, coming in and moving into houses we don't want. How dare they?

Human nature. People stick to what they know and feel comfortable with. You see it in London already with English neighbourhoods and immigrant neighbourhoods standing side by side but not really together.

One thing I don't understand is why successive British governments have let thousands upon thousands of immigrants in who they know will do nothing more than cause strain to the economy and society in general.

Take Somalis for example. Under the last labour leadership, 40,000 Somalis were let into Britain. They now live in one of the poorest parts of London. Previous Somali immigrants have one of the highest levels of unemployment as a group, one of the highest levels of crime in woolwich (where they live), one of the highest rates of welfare payments etc. We know this about the Somali community. WHY THE HELL DO YOU DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF THEM IN THE CITY?

They provide nothing as a bunch. They take and take and take as a bunch. They cause trouble as a bunch. The labour government made this decision even though it 100% conflicted with the best interests of England and the English people. But then again, England doesnt exist according to high ranking labour officials. Scum.

Because they had the basic human decency to recognise that one of the wealthiest countries on earth should do something for the people of one of the poorest.

desertcircus

Also: it may be a reference to the rugby team, but it takes a truly jaw-dropping lack of self-awareness for someone calling themselves London Irish to be complainimg about immigration.

Wolfe Tone

desertcircus wrote: »

Also: it may be a reference to the rugby team, but it takes a truly jaw-dropping lack of self-awareness for someone calling themselves London Irish to be complainimg about immigration.

I had assumed it was the rugby team myself.

LondonIrish90

desertcircus wrote: »

Also: it may be a reference to the rugby team, but it takes a truly jaw-dropping lack of self-awareness for someone calling themselves London Irish to be complainimg about immigration.

My parents were educated immigrants who slotted into life in London quickly, worked, paid taxes, and generally contributed in a positive manner to the city as a whole. I think that makes a massive, massive difference.

After all, its not the fact they are Somali that I dislike, It is the fact that all evidence shows how much of a burden previous waves of Somali immigration were to parts of London.

Wolfe Tone

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

My parents were educated immigrants who slotted into life in London quickly, worked, paid taxes, and generally contributed in a positive manner to the city as a whole. I think that makes a massive, massive difference.

After all, its not the fact they are Somali that I dislike, It is the fact that all evidence shows how much of a burden previous waves of Somali immigration were to parts of London.

So its not paddy go home, but its just the blacks and muslims you don't want kicking about wrecking Britland with ghettos?

Cop on, your parents were immigrants and someone like Griffin couldnt give a fcuk if the immigrant was intelligent or not.

Nodin

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

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Saying that, these guys aren't quite as intimidating as they think! I know of friends who are at university in London and some areas of east london are heavily populated with 2nd and 3rd year students. A housemate of someone I went to school with is jewish and apparently often walks though these areas apparently occupied by bands of extremists wearing his tel aviv football and basketball jerseys, both which have the star of david and the hebrew alphabet emblazoned on them. He's apparently a big lad so they wouldnt say anything even if they did notice!

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Amazing. That parallels the way I often walked by a field notorious for its malevolent fairy activity. Not once did they appear, evidently put off by my manly bearing.

rounding tattenham Corner

when nick griffin was on question time it was totally biased against him, from the presenter to others on the panel, i'd hope he'll have a chance to actually get his views across this time.

FetchTheGin

I can't see any danger in letting this bloke speak about his ridiculous views.

In fact, the more he speaks the worse his party will do in the long run.

Nodin

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

when nick griffin was on question time it was totally biased against him, from the presenter to others on the panel, .............

Aye. It would almost restore your faith in humanity.

RichieC

I doubt trinity could swing it but the likes of Chomsky in a debate with a low life like Griffin... hah, it wouldn't be at all fair though.

Right V Left... lololol

ejmaztec

RichieC wrote: »

I doubt trinity could swing it but the likes of Chomsky in a debate with a low life like Griffin... hah, it wouldn't be at all fair though.

Right V Left... lololol

A debate with the new Trinity English lecturer, Dr Conan T. Barbarian, would have been a lot more interesting.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0915/breaking36.html

Trinity College Dublin has said it is taking seriously an incident in which a profile page, complete with image, was inserted on its website for a fake staff member named ‘Dr Conan T. Barbarian’.
The page appeared on the TCD School of English website last night and could still be accessed until about 9.30am, at which stage it was removed.
Screen shots of the page were still being circulated online, however.
The staff listings were also amended to include the name of ‘Dr Barbarian’, while his own personal page bore an image of actor Arnold Schwarzenegger in Conan guise from the 1982 movie.
His full title and academic qualifications were given as: “Dr Conan T. Barbarian, B.A.(Cimmeria) Ph.D. (UCD). F.T.C.D. (Long Room Hub Associate Professor in Hyborian Studies and Tyrant Slaying).”
His profile indicated he had been “ripped from his mother's womb on the corpse-strewn battlefields of his war-torn homeland, Cimmeria, and has been preparing for academic life ever since”.
“A firm believer in the dictum that ‘that which does not kill us makes us stronger,’ he took time out to avenge the death of his parents following a sojourn pursuing his strong interest in Post-Colonial theory at the Sorbonne.”
The profile went on to say Dr Barbarian completed his PhD, entitled ‘To Hear The Lamentation of Their Women: Constructions of Masculinity in Contemporary Zamoran Literature’ at UCD and was appointed to the School of English in 2006, “after sucessfully decapitating his predecessor during a bloody battle which will long be remembered in legend and song”.
“In 2011/12, he will be teaching on the following courses: ‘The Relevance of Crom in the Modern World’, ‘Theories of Literature’, ‘Vengeance for Beginners’,
‘Deciphering the Riddle of Steel’ and ‘D.H. Lawrence’.
“He strongly objects to the terms of the Croke Park agreement and the current trend for remaking 1980s films that he believes were perfectly good enough in the first place.”

crucamim

Cú Giobach wrote: »

If you are going to keep using the Irish word for Ireland the least you could do is actually spell it correctly, Éire.

I thought that reprimanding other posters about their grammar or spelling was a breach of the rules of this forum. Obviously, I was mistaken.

crucamim

desertcircus wrote: »

Also: it may be a reference to the rugby team, but it takes a truly jaw-dropping lack of self-awareness for someone calling themselves London Irish to be complainimg about immigration.

Why? A native of one part of the UK (Northern Ireland) who moves to another part of the UK (London) is not an immigrant in London.

karma_

RichieC wrote: »

I doubt trinity could swing it but the likes of Chomsky in a debate with a low life like Griffin... hah, it wouldn't be at all fair though.

Right V Left... lololol

That would be unfair, it'd be like putting Mike Tyson up against Millhouse.

Fromthetrees

Sooopie wrote: »

what would you suggest is the best way to humanely deal with these scroungers & "others" so?

Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

aside from that the gypsies, layabouts, drug addicts, - I have a problem with them all and would cut off their social welfare in the morning if i could

I was responding to the above post, I mean they should be treated humanely as in not have their social welfare cut off, it'd be a very dangerous thing to do, I do think that if someone is out of work for more than three years and refuses to avail of free training, upskilling or education programmes than their social welfare should be cut by a certain percentage, the dole isn't a lot to begin with I know but the state does need to get more serious with career dole heads and people coming into this country with no intent on working.

strobe

crucamim wrote: »

I am a Catholic

No you are not Crucamim. I thought we'd established this previously. Catholic is a religious term. You have agreed that you are not religious. You are only Catholic in the way I am American because I owned a pair of Nike Air Max once when I was 12. You are Catholic in the way I am a vegetarian yet eat several varieties of meat.

You give actual Catholics a bad name. Just think about that for a second man. Think of all the things the Catholic church have been involved in and try and appreciate what it means that you are making them look bad by attaching yourself to the religion. It's quite the accomplishment.

Dudess

Morlar wrote: »

Free speech isn't just for people you approve of.

I agree with Griffin being allowed to speak at TCD - he's just speaking, but as with the thread on the cyber bully the other day: why just the "free speech" rights of the people who say/publish extreme, hate-filled things? What about the rights of those at the receiving end? Griffin is obviously anti semitic - just as you believe he has the right to say/publish what he wants, so have Jews the right to say they'd rather he be stopped.
Saying "people you approve of" is disingenuous, there's more to it than that, e.g. the Westboro Baptist Church (to use the oft-cited example, but it's a good one IMO). I'd personally be more concerned about the rights of the families than the rights of the WBC's freedom of speech.
Free speech doesn't include libel, slander, hate-mongering anyway.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Boards is run by loyalist mods

In your very fertile imagination, dude...

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Jeez man, get over it.:rolleyes:

Sparkling contribution as ever.

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I'm just saying that it's nothing to be worked up about. They just want people to go to the debate because he's controversial. No need to be a smart*ss.

Nothing personal now.

Take no notice of someone whose contributions include the likes of the above...

mikemac wrote: »

Let him speak

He likely knows more then the clowns on the left

Be a bit more specific there when you're talking about "the left"?

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

My parents were educated immigrants who slotted into life in London quickly, worked, paid taxes, and generally contributed in a positive manner to the city as a whole. I think that makes a massive, massive difference.

Be that as it may, an immigrant is an immigrant. But I'd agree with you that there is tension between ethnicities in Britain - no point in denying it. And I don't see anything wrong with immigrants to Britain not having every cultural whim pandered to.