Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

thegreengoblin

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This isn't a thread about the site that published the article so can we stay away from that. There is another thread in After Hours already

Fair enough, I won't post anything else about him in this thread.

Galwayguy35

I've been on the receiving end of a punch and the last thing on my mind a few seconds afterwards was tidying up my hair like she did so he obviously didn't hit her that hard.

If he hit her a full wallop she'd have been floored.

MysticMonk

thegreengoblin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TheLiberal_x

Plenty of reading in that to keep you going for a while. It's mostly about the scams he runs as 'competitions' but plenty of evidence to show he's a racist too, such as here https://twitter.com/TheLiberal_x/status/852819282765389825

I see a bit of support for President Trump but no racism...can you find me some examples of his racism please?

riffmongous

seamus wrote: »

The amount of people in this thread who seem to believe there's some simple ninja techniques where you can easily stop and restrain anyone mid-punch and failure to do so is incompetence.

It's like the "he should have shot him in the leg" brigade that comes out. Just absolute armchair nonsense which makes a million different assumptions about the scenario.

What's funnier is comments like, "I would have thought..". So clearly you know you wouldn't have been able to restrain her, but you're assuming a bouncer could, based on nothing.

Ninja techniques? You've never watched or practiced any fighting in your life have you? Judo, mma, wrestling, boxing all have ways to get you into a clinch. Not saying all bouncers have to be professional fighters but they should be competently trained for expected situations

andekwarhola

armaghlad wrote: »

The guys that do our doors are all ex paramilitary. They'd have laughed at this girl and phoned her a taxi

And then detonated it when it got round the corner?

Baron Kurtz

Reminded me of that bouncer outside The Woolshed a few months back. Nice dispatch of cretins on duty. This pales, but you gotta do what you gotta do given the circumstance. Makikomi would agree but I'm sure he may have handled her a little bit better. Never worked as a bouncer but it's hard to know how things would unfold given a situation.

retro:electro

Having watched the video it just looked like, as a bouncer, his natural reaction to being punched. I'd never raise my hand to anyone and think they were both scummy but.. Try to punch someone? Don't be surprised if you miss and then you get a whallop back.

T-Maxx

Beautiful!

Widdershins

riffmongous wrote: »

Ninja techniques? You've never watched or practiced any fighting in your life have you? Judo, mma, wrestling, boxing all have ways to get you into a clinch. Not saying all bouncers have to be professional fighters but they should be competently trained for expected situations

Aren't there risks to physical restrain too? In some situations it can be classed as abusive, even when the intent is to protect the person from harming themselves. That's just the impression I got from talking to people, I'm not an expert.

Are Am Eye

riffmongous wrote: »

Ninja techniques? You've never watched or practiced any fighting in your life have you? Judo, mma, wrestling, boxing all have ways to get you into a clinch. Not saying all bouncers have to be professional fighters but they should be competently trained for expected situations

He's going to restrain her and what? Keep her as a pet?
The police do not have a power of arrest for common assault never mind
civilians. If he'd held on to her she would sue him for that and probably sexual assault as well.

nacho libre

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I've been on the receiving end of a punch and the last thing on my mind a few seconds afterwards was tidying up my hair like she did so he obviously didn't hit her that hard.

If he hit her a full wallop she'd have been floored.

People can have different levels of resistance to a punch, a punch that might stagger you, could knock me clean out. Or vice versa. It might be she can actually take a punch, or the bouncer might not have that much leather in his fists.

. A punch, regardless of the sex involved, should be the last resort of a bouncer, not the first. I think his boss will definitely not be pleased with what he did.

riffmongous

Widdershins wrote: »

Aren't there risks to physical restrain too? In some situations it can be classed as abusive, even when the intent is to protect the person from harming themselves. That's just the impression I got from talking to people, I'm not an expert.

No expert on restraining either, but yes there are risks, especially with dangerous holds, but they've got to be less than punching a drunk girl on high heels. If she fell over and hit her head things could have been much worse for him

blueser

andekwarhola wrote: »

And then detonated it when it got round the corner?

It's wrong, but I tittered!

riffmongous

Are Am Eye wrote: »

He's going to restrain her and what? Keep her as a pet?
The police do not have a power of arrest for common assault never mind
civilians. If he'd held on to her she would sue him for that and probably sexual assault as well.

Restrain her, move her away from the door, then go inside and call the police and let them deal with her. I've seen something similar happen before, I'm sure trained bouncers have a protocol on how to deal with it

OldMrBrennan83

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pjohnson

riffmongous wrote: »

Restrain her, move her away from the door, then go inside and call the police and let them deal with her. I've seen something similar happen before, I'm sure trained bouncers have a protocol on how to deal with it

And is there a trained protocol to stop her screaming how he groped/molested her vag/arse/tits in a sexual manner?

MysticMonk

riffmongous wrote: »

Restrain her, move her away from the door, then go inside and call the police and let them deal with her. I've seen something similar happen before, I'm sure trained bouncers have a protocol on how to deal with it

Yeah they do..they punch the threat in the face...and he didn't hit her that hard,she was able to stagger away.

riffmongous

pjohnson wrote: »

And is there a trained protocol to stop her screaming how he groped/molested her vag/arse/tits in a sexual manner?

Yeah CCTV and witnesses :rolleyes:

pjohnson

riffmongous wrote: »

Yeah CCTV and witnesses :rolleyes:

Her boozed up mates with the camera wont back her up? Feminists wont start bleating about "excessive force"?

She had the camera ready and wanted a reaction either way be it laughs or compensation.

riffmongous

MysticMonk wrote: »

Yeah they do..they punch the threat in the face...and he didn't hit her that hard,she was able to stagger away.

She could have fallen over and smacked her head, no matter how hard he hit her. Even though he'd most likely be innocent the court case and reputation damage to the club would probably cost them a fortune. A little bit of professionalism goes a long way

PREG1967

it was self defence 10000000%

riffmongous

pjohnson wrote: »

Her boozed up mates with the camera wont back her up? Feminists wont start bleating about "excessive force"?

She had the camera ready and wanted a reaction either way be it laughs or compensation.

That's why a club would have it's own CCTV, even then the police aren't stupid.

pjohnson

riffmongous wrote: »

That's why a club would have it's own CCTV, even then the police aren't stupid.

This is a remarkably naive view in this day and age.

riffmongous

pjohnson wrote: »

This is a remarkably naive view in this day and age.

Nah, I just havent swallowed any pills

pjohnson

riffmongous wrote: »

Nah, I just havent swallowed any pills

This is a world where a crackpot sued a hotel for a table having legs yet you put faith in CCTV stopping the power of social media. Blogs would be awash with "Bouncer abuses woman" facts wouldnt come into it and the bouncers face/reputation is ruined. You havent taken pills but you havent reached this century yet.

MysticMonk

riffmongous wrote: »

She could have fallen over and smacked her head, no matter how hard he hit her. Even though he'd most likely be innocent the court case and reputation damage to the club would probably cost them a fortune. A little bit of professionalism goes a long way

He's a doorman,not a statue.

He was physically assaulted by a drunken,abusive female and he retaliated using minimal force.

If she didn't want a punch in the face ,she shouldn't have punched him in the face..it's as clear as day that this is a case of self defence.

It would never make it to court with the video evidence...that's one of the reasons establishments have CCTV.

And to all the people who like to start fights and then bleat when it doesn't go their way I say "Don't start nothing,won't be nothing":)

Murrisk

It seems like pretty even tit-for-tat. She might have posed no threat but she really went for it. And what if she had glass in her hand or something? The fact that she stayed on her feet tells me his punch wasn't too forceful either.

Are Am Eye

riffmongous wrote: »

Restrain her, move her away from the door, then go inside and call the police and let them deal with her. I've seen something similar happen before, I'm sure trained bouncers have a protocol on how to deal with it

The only "protocol" you have to worry about riff is the law.
You have no entitlement to restrain her.
You do have an entitlement to defend yourself with reasonable and proportionate force. It is debatable whether the light punch he gave her
was necessary. However he certainly cannot hold on to her or "move her"( what ever that means). That's unlawful imprisonment or unlawful arrest/ custody(unless they are in the same judo club)

Academic

bodice ripper wrote: »

I think it's probably appropriate to investigate whenever a bouncer punches someone square in the face

I agree.

That said, and independent of what the investigation finds in this particular case, assault is assault and self-defense is self-defense. I don't see gender as relevant.

seamus

riffmongous wrote: »

Ninja techniques? You've never watched or practiced any fighting in your life have you? Judo, mma, wrestling, boxing all have ways to get you into a clinch. Not saying all bouncers have to be professional fighters but they should be competently trained for expected situations

Judo, MMA, wrestling and boxing teach professional techniques to get into a clinch in the middle of a match where participants are sober, generally rational and consenting.

Self defence techniques, i.e. where you are being attacked, focus on repelling or deflecting the attack and then putting as much distance between you and the attacker as possible. The only thing dumber than trying to grab a hold of your attacker is running headfirst toward them.

Sure, I would expect a bouncer to be less fazed by an attacker, slower to anger and quicker to de-escalate a situation. But expecting them to launch flawlessly into some perfect gentle hold when being attacked by some random crazy person is beyond naive.