UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

A Little Pony · 05-10-2016 09:28PM

Or the 6 million Jews he had murdered in death camps..

I wish people would stop comparing ANY current politician to Adolf Hitler. His name will live on and be talked about for a thousand years. No politician on this planet will end up becoming a myth like figure in thousands of years like Hitler.

A Dub in Glasgo · 05-10-2016 09:30PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

James O'Brien does like to Godwin the arguments.

Of course hitler did say he would make a distinction between citizen labour and non citizen labour. This distinction is true of every single sovereign nation.. The EU is a strange case, in fact, as it prohibits this distinction.

because the EU is about EU citizens therefore no requirement to distinguish - all agreed by the EU member states.

What sovereign nation(s) wants to publish league tables of companies who employ native and non-native folk?

VinLieger · 05-10-2016 11:01PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

I'm dubious about those figures. It isn't true in most of Europe. As for most immigrants coming from outside the EU, firstly it's close enough. Secondly the UK can control already it's non EU immigration.

You are easily incredulous. It's standard at the top of a business cycle, and people would probably prefer better paid fewer jobs.

The uneducated and poor are at the frontline of what is happening to the country.

the media was largely pro remain.

I'm talking about the media encouraging people's feelings = truth instead of the facts with their constant hyperbolic reporting

Capt'n Midnight · 06-10-2016 12:41AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Like this guy.

LOL

this one never gets old either http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/4935429/BNP-uses-Polish-Spitfire-in-anti-immigration-poster.html

You know the way locals won't do a job. Two Brits quit since the Brexit vote and they had to get someone who already works for the EU in to cover until they get someone new

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37561065

end of the road · 06-10-2016 12:52AM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Nobody is doing that.

yet.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

It's about shaming the companies not the people.

no it's about revenge for "jay tuck er jobs"
hopefully the companies will continue with business as usual, they have nothing to be ashamed of just like their workers.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I don't usually support naming and shaming initiatives, but the likes of Musgraves who were by the looks of it just looking for Polish staff recently need to be called out.

why? surely they must be able to choose the best candidates for the job whoever they may be.

Harvey Normal wrote: »

James O'Brien does like to Godwin the arguments.

actually he doesn't. he makes a lot of good points. it's about the bigger picture, which james takes into account.

Rjd2 · 06-10-2016 02:44AM

Water John wrote: »

I think Vin you may be close to some truth there. Could it be hardballing for the fraught negotiations ahead would be my prime thought?
But not actually well thought out or a bit frantic.

Its very odd, Rudd never struck me as hard right, heck she was pretty level headed when campaigning to remain a few months ago.

I don't take Owen Jones as serious as others but as he alluded to, I really doubt this is something she really has her heart in, or at least I hope not.

Hopefully the backlash will make her see sense, but with such an uninspiring opposition, its doubtful.

Immigration is a thorny issue in the UK, but this sort of pandering to UKIP type supporters shouldn't be on the table.

JupiterKid · 06-10-2016 03:32AM

The way the UK is lurching to the right is quite disturbing and will only end up hurting their economy and reputation.

karma_ · 06-10-2016 09:28AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

The absolute level of sheer stupidity and ignorance in this post is simply astounding.

Let's see... The Tories give a speech about 'ousting foreigners' which in many ways is reminiscent on how the Nazis scapegoated Jews in the 1930's yet the closest thing to fascism you have observed is some pro-EU lot seeking a democratic vote? I mean... what fúcking planet do you live on?

Chips Lovell · 06-10-2016 09:30AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wish people would stop comparing ANY current politician to Adolf Hitler. His name will live on and be talked about for a thousand years. No politician on this planet will end up becoming a myth like figure in thousands of years like Hitler.

Oh, the ironing...

VinLieger · 06-10-2016 10:12AM

Contrary to what others posted earlier Irish people will not automatically be exempt from "the list"

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-in-uk-3012274-Oct2016/

steddyeddy · 06-10-2016 10:54AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Contrary to what others posted earlier Irish people will not automatically be exempt from "the list"

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-in-uk-3012274-Oct2016/

Looks like I'll be put on the list so

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-10-2016 12:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Looks like I'll be put on the list so

Same here

topper75 · 06-10-2016 12:24PM

Cultural Marxism is never too comfortable with letting a country be a country. They don't like sovereignty. They don't acknowledge it.

They have this imagined 'human right' of being allowed to go and live in any country you like. Liberal left media outlets love to foist this imagining on their own citizens.

The agendaists abuse conventions that had a completely different original intention such as freedom of movement within the EU and asylum from war or oppression as tools to muddy the water.

The UK has shown over the last year that they have a back bone, that they are going to clear up the muddied waters, and it has more than upset the drive of the left.

The UK is not stupid by the same token. Contributing, law-abiding non-UK folk will always find a welcome there.

yoke · 06-10-2016 12:31PM

topper75 wrote: »

Cultural Marxism is never too comfortable with letting a country be a country.

Interesting point you've brought up - what is a country?

First line in wikipedia shows it's basically just a gang: "A country is a region that is identified as a distinct national entity in political geography"

Join my gang, make my gang great again.

Water John · 06-10-2016 12:32PM

So we can take it Topper, you are going to guarantee this? It's alright so.

topper75 · 06-10-2016 12:38PM

yoke wrote: »

Interesting point you've brought up - what is a country?

First line in wikipedia shows it's basically just a gang: "A country is a region that is identified as a distinct national entity in political geography"

Join my gang, make my gang great again.

A house is a place where a bunch of related people sleep and keep their stuff. I doubt you'd be best pleased if I went to suddenly live in your house but by what right would you ask me leave?

Water John wrote: »

So we can take it Topper, you are going to guarantee this? It's alright so.

I can't guarantee anything but there is nothing morally wrong with the proposal being discussed nor is there reason for any honest person to fear it.

Chips Lovell · 06-10-2016 12:39PM

If you like it so much topper, why don't you go and live there?

Oh....

Wait...

yoke · 06-10-2016 12:44PM

topper75 wrote: »

A house is a place where a bunch of related people sleep and keep their stuff. I doubt you'd be best pleased if I went to suddenly live in your house but by what right would you ask me leave?

Certainly I would not be pleased if you didn't discuss it with me first, and arrived unnannounced (like an invader).
However, if you had discussed it with me first, and we had both decided that you could live in my house and pay me something towards the bills and rent, we might get on very well actually - your contribution might help me keep my house in good working order, and might actually increase my quality of life!

CdeC · 06-10-2016 12:49PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Good. British jobs for British workers.

Like this guy.

He needs to wear a hard hat begging? Those Brits are rough

CdeC · 06-10-2016 12:50PM

Can we get another season of The league of Gentlemen??

"Are you local.....this is a local shop for local people"

GeorgeBailey · 06-10-2016 01:03PM

Is this a prequel to the (really quite good) movie Children of Men?

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 01:08PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Is this a prequel to the (really quite good) movie Children of Men?

That is what I keep thinking.

Also, funny how Irish people were all for this plan until they realised it could affect them!

R P McMurphy · 06-10-2016 01:24PM

Lux23 wrote: »

That is what I keep thinking.

Also, funny how Irish people were all for this plan until they realised it could affect them!

What Irish people were initially in favour of it? I didn't see or hear many extolling its virtues. I think most people can see it for what it is

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 01:28PM

CdeC wrote: »

He needs to wear a hard hat begging? Those Brits are rough

As he's foreign he's probably working while he's not begging and getting free cars off the government.

the_syco · 06-10-2016 02:40PM

Geuze wrote: »

Given that there are 316,000 people on the Live Register, why are we importing non-EU workers?

Do they all have 10 years experience, degree, or a random useful foreign language?

Also, how sure that they are not Irish?

jmayo · 06-10-2016 03:24PM

JL2106 wrote: »

Appalling xenophobia from uk's government lately.
I don’t recall the Irish faring too well in the UK in the pre-EU days, and i don’t expect them to fare too well in the post EU days either. It’s sad.

I’d also point out however that 125,000 British live and work in this country. And millions of Brits live on the continent. So they’re not doing themselves any favours with their jingoistic nonsense!

4.5 million Britons live abroad with 1.3 of those in EU.
Spain has highest with 320k, Ireland comes next with 250k and then France with around 170k.
There aren't millions.

Anyway this whole thing shows how fooked British politics has become.
The conservatives dog now has it's tailed wagged by the right of the party who are trying to play catch up to UKIP.
Also by the looks of it the Tory leadership are more interested in solidifying it's own position with the right than looking out for the long term viability of the country.

and the other side aren't much better where Labour has been taken over by people with a mindset from circa 1970s or early 1980s where some still thought the USSR were a role model and something to be envious of.

The Wolverine wrote: »

This isn't so much about educated EU or say US workers in big multinationals as it's more going after the Mike Ashley's and Sports direct and other factories who almost exclusively hire non natives, such as paying the likes of unskilled polish people feck all and hounding them out of it like slaves as like in 99% of nations the natives know their rights compared to most immigrants.

Sports Direct is a particularly odious employer who actually has been dragged in front of a commons committee to explain itself.

jimgoose · 06-10-2016 03:25PM

Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, is enthusiastic about nurturing talent from among the home-grown Wayne-and-Waynetta-Slob lumpenproletariat while Mrs. May and the Conservatives are going through their "Donald Trump" phase. Be careful what you wish for... :pac:

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/microsoft-plays-wait-and-see-on-uks-postbrexit-migration-stance-35100656.html

Galwayguy35 · 06-10-2016 07:10PM

I don't see anything wrong with giving a preference to native born citizens of a country when a job offer comes up provided that person is suitable for the position.

When Britain does eventually leave I can see Ireland being swamped with immigrants, and I'm not even including the "refugees" we're being forced to take in as well.

end of the road · 06-10-2016 08:07PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with giving a preference to native born citizens of a country when a job offer comes up provided that person is suitable for the position.

the discrimination laws all ready enclude native citizens. one cannot be refused a job on the basis of their nationality. so this idea is pointless.
if native citizens don't get the jobs and they cannot prove discrimination, then it is on them to ask why they aren't getting the jobs.
all this nonsense is about is trying to appeal to the "jay tuck er jobzz and er dole" types

hatrickpatrick · 06-10-2016 08:28PM

I don't personally agree with the policy, but I'm interested to see somebody explain exactly why it's supposedly so morally outrageous. It's no different to asking people to buy local goods and support local businesses over imports.

As I say, I don't agree with it myself but I'm not "shocked", "outraged", or "triggered" the way so many on social media and in the newspaper columns seem to be - what's so appallingly unethical or immoral about a country's leader wanting her country's jobs not to be outsourced?

UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

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