Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Have to love all these lefties moaning "what about the unvaccinated young staff?".

Where exactly are these mysterious young people who are terrified of catching Covid?

Only ones out there seem to be Paul Murphy/ Brid Smith etc youth wings, none of whom would know what a workplace even looked like.

Has anyone actually received a vaccination certificate? We were told that they would all be emailed out by today, but my inbox is empty...

Does anyone find it a bit stupid that the vaccine which is meant to give us more freedoms then we’ve had the past year and a half only last a certain time in a pub. Either the vaccine protects us or it doesn’t.

But either indoor dining is opening up or it isn’t for those vaccinated. Why should people need to pop back in and out with their pints ? To be clear I won’t be going near a pub for at least two weeks after they open given my second dose date and then the week after that.

I'm one of those people and while i don't necessarily agree with the vaccine cert requirement i'm happy to go with it; seeing as:

a) I'll be fully vaxed in a few weeks

b) as should pretty much all the population over 18 i believe

c) We have outdoor options. Some of which are pretty decent.

d) It's a means to an end. Indoor hospitality is opening which should only be viewed as a good thing.

Difficult for publicans to police. Puts them in a very awkward position and a lot probably wont. 50/50 that my local publican does i'd say.

People shouting discrimination need to get over themselves IMO. We've had 18 months of lockdowns where our freedoms have been infringed upon. I think we can take another couple of weeks of not getting access to an indoor pub if need be.

Rise in cases is worrying. 1000 today. What will happen if they reach 3000 or 5000. I wouldn't be too optimistic but we are very close to the point where we just need to get on with things.

If it's a choice between letting vaccinated people in now or waiting for the "last stragglers" then i choose the former. Cause it's a step forward.

There would be people complaining either way. A large cohort both ways.

Discrimination, maybe. But fairly light in the grand scheme, as you alluded to yourself. I think we have to suck it up and hope that it only lasts the few weeks that it should.

How does it only last a few weeks? They won't have all adults fully vaccinated till September.

I'm similar to yourself. First dose got. Should have second dose in three weeks time.

What about people with allergies to the vaccine? Will they ever be allowed in the door? You've the antivaxxers too although I'm not really bothered with them to be honest.

I don't see it as a means to an end as there will always be unvaccinated people so I don't get how it will only last a few weeks.

I also don't see it as a step forward. Maybe two steps back and one forward but we had indoor dining last summer without any of this.

Well, they should have everyone from mid 30s up fully vaccinated within a month or so i believe. Then you have quite alot of the age group below this availing of the one shot Janssen, So a large cohort of people fully done within this time frame. So it seems to me that anyone who wants a vaccine at the moment has the means to get one fairly quickly - at least that's my perception.

When we had indoor dining last year we only had a handful of cases. Like literally a handful - 4 or 5 everyday. Today we had 1000. So from that point of view i see it as a step forward, compared to the last few months where it was an infuriating "will they or wont they open the pubs" situation.

Do i fully agree with the whole reopening plan? No. But i see certain merit in it.

Questions:

Why will they have time limits now for fully vaxed people and not in just say 6months time? What will be different then?

Why will unvaccinated people have to sit out side now and not in 6months time?

Ironically, this eatery in Derry which was used as an example of Southerners heading to, has been closed due to covid outbreak among their staff

Because the hope is that in six months time the virus won’t be as much in circulation in the community.

You are probably right,but if they can't open to fully vaccinated people will they ever open at this stage?

How does that work? Does the pharmacist have you take the test there? Do they ID you and then give you a cert with your name for the pub? Otherwise it seems ripe to manipulation

Come to Spain, no rules around going into pubs and restaurants. Just the usual, wear a mask until you are sitting down and sanitize your hands coming in.

Some places have a system where there is a QR code on your table. You scan it, order through the app and drinks/food brought to you. Then when you are done you request your bill through it and they bring the card machine to you. Great way to protect staff

This sounds really cool. I'd be all for a system like that brought in here as someone who as a lot of issues with the one that is being implemented. The option to do the antigen test at the pub would also offer an option to those that are upset at the idea of having to hand over their medical information to a bar.

Its back to the old playbook. The can has been kicked, so all that is left is for the yank.

was in a pub last night indoors drinking, table service only, very strict place, but pretty much their own rules made up

It will be worse if they remain closed

Indoor and outdoor pubs are controlled environment's (even if NPHET don't trust indoor publicans). House parties were happening before the pandemic, during it and after it

Nobody is denying that pubs can, in normal times, be full of drunk, loud and squashed people. However, in the main, pubs that are open now are very regulated and controlled, and don't yet resemble the pubs of old (but will do soon, hopefully). Of course, there will be the odd exception, but to deny that house parties are any safer than pubs at present is disingenuous. Unless it's the kind of dinner party the likes of NPHET would be hosting (i.e. dinner, 1/2 glasses of wine and home to bed)