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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They weren't even that thorough. For me it was just: "Where are you coming from? Amsterdam. Grand."

    On the way out the Garda asked if I was going traveling for work and before I could show him my letter, he waved me on.

    The absurdity of a fully vaccinated person having to hotel quarantine yet a non-vaccinated person coming from the UK not having to aside, they simply are not being strict on this.

    Came in to Dublin port a couple days ago for a quick visit and they didn’t ask any questions about where I’d been nor check that I’d done a passenger locator form. Its clearly not being taken seriously by border control any more, so why there would still be MHQ in place for a few unfortunates is beyond me


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Came in to Dublin port a couple days ago for a quick visit and they didn’t ask any questions about where I’d been nor check that I’d done a passenger locator form. Its clearly not being taken seriously by border control any more, so why there would still be MHQ in place for a few unfortunates is beyond me

    Ireland is the only EU country with MHQ and the strictest covid restrictions. Yet we have one of the highest covid rates in the EU. So whether you’re pro or anti travel I think it’s fair to say no one is taking this seriously :pac: :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭acequion


    Maybe in Cork, but in Dublin it's not the case. PCR and passenger locator form receipt were being checked and a brief glance at passport and that was it. No one was having their passport scanned or the stamps checked (fairly easy way to see if you have recently left Dubai/Turkey etc).

    They were asking everyone in Cork to pull down the masks so they could see your face, it was that thorough. I really wouldn't fancy my chances not having a good reason to get out and not having everything in order coming back. In comparison to entering and exiting in Alicante where all was efficient but cool, you're talking North Korea with those Defence officers hanging around for added effect. You really would want to be mental to come here at the moment.

    I did my 5 days quarantine til the test and just got a few texts from the HSE, ie was I deffo at the same address, that kind of stuff. The quarantine would indeed be simple to break, it's ridiculous anyway.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭acequion


    I will add that my travel was weeks ago, so maybe things are starting to get more lax now as we're [hopefully] nearing the end of these farcical restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Over the last couple of weeks while on my walks around Cork Airport I haven't seen any Guards checking departing passengers out on the roads, outside the terminal or in the check in area. Unless they've moved to the departures area upstairs. They're not where they have been since the checks started anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭acequion


    Acosta wrote: »
    Over the last couple of weeks while on my walks around Cork Airport I haven't seen any Guards checking departing passengers out on the roads, outside the terminal or in the check in area. Unless they've moved to the departures area upstairs. They're not where they have been since the checks started anyway.

    Yes they are in the Departures area upstairs. Every passenger going through is questioned, at least that was the case when I travelled in early June. Nothing outside or downstairs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    ...just copied British with their MHQs , added our ugly staff to it. At the end we've got monstrosity in North Korean style.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭fran38


    acequion wrote: »
    I will add that my travel was weeks ago, so maybe things are starting to get more lax now as we're [hopefully] nearing the end of these farcical restrictions.

    https://gript.ie/exclusive-government-tendering-for-mandatory-quarantine-for-next-year/


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    fran38 wrote: »

    While that doesn’t look great on the face of it, it would be remiss of any government to not have the agreements and plans in place, just in case there is some nasty variant next year that requires a quick response.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    acequion wrote: »
    They were asking everyone in Cork to pull down the masks so they could see your face, you're talking North Korea with those Defence officers hanging around for added effect. You really would want to be mental to come here at the moment.

    Obviously they need to see your face ffs.

    North Korea? Talk about hysterics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭acequion


    Obviously they need to see your face ffs.

    North Korea? Talk about hysterics.

    Lol :D I love the way the deniers of the removal of our rights and freedoms dismiss any one painting the true picture as hysterics or conspiracy theorists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    acequion wrote: »
    Lol :D I love the way the deniers of the removal of our rights and freedoms dismiss any one painting the true picture as hysterics or conspiracy theorists.

    If a read that post from one of them deluded Trump supporters it would not surprise me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭acequion


    py2006 wrote: »
    If a read that post from one of them deluded Trump supporters it would not surprise me.

    lol again :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    acequion wrote: »
    I will add that my travel was weeks ago, so maybe things are starting to get more lax now as we're [hopefully] nearing the end of these farcical restrictions.


    As of last week everything the same....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    My Guy in Spain says that most of the group is is with have now also tested positive!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    saabsaab wrote: »
    My Guy in Spain says that most of the group is is with have now also tested positive!

    When did they arrive in Spain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Feria40 wrote: »
    When did they arrive in Spain?


    Around 3/4 weeks ago. Tested positive last week.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just had a few pints here in London (inside!) with a friend of mine heading back to Sydney on Tuesday. Been moving back home over the last few months....family went first and he’s been back in London selling the house and sorting things out.

    He’s really worried, as are his peers, about the Australia end game for Covid. Apparently MHQ is being shelved in return for 7 days home isolation for vaccinated people from 7 July (he’s too early so he’s got to do MHQ). But the quota for inbound arrivals is being halved. There are no seats on any flights for weeks (other than through LA, but you can’t transit through US airports due to their organisation in which arrivals and departures mix in the same area)

    And because a large segment of Australian society don’t travel, don’t care about the border being shut, and are happy just going to NRL matches etc, there is no desire to take vaccines. These people just don’t feel they need to. Australia will never get to the level to vaccination needed, with massive vaccine lethargy / hesitancy, to open borders. And as there are the inevitable breakouts of covid as MHQ is relaxed, there will be more lockdowns

    Meanwhile there are tens of thousands of Australian citizens who can’t get home.

    There strategy might have looked the best for many months. But just shows how right we were to not try to implement it


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    acequion wrote: »
    Lol :D I love the way the deniers of the removal of our rights and freedoms dismiss any one painting the true picture as hysterics or conspiracy theorists.

    Yeah, lol. You are stating clearly that Ireland is literally North Korea. Which is obviously a ridiculous notion, it’s Ireland. But equally ridiculous is the idea that Ireland is operating under a hugely oppressive and murderous dictatorship. It’s insulting to people living in those conditions and very telling about your entitled attitude.

    Were you on social media in your beloved Spain (a country with more than a hint of actual dictatorship history) moaning and getting hysterical about the legal requirement to wear masks outdoors?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    saabsaab wrote: »
    My Guy in Spain says that most of the group is is with have now also tested positive!


    Sure they will not be allowed return until they are negative PCR.
    They may learn a bit of cop-on.....


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Around 3/4 weeks ago. Tested positive last week.

    You’re clearly spoofing with this story to suit your narrative. Spain has had lower rates of covid than Ireland throughout the year. You’ve ignored questions and comments from people on the ground here in Spain about your views.

    Your fabricated story about a group catching covid in Spain with such a convenient timing from when they got it is bonkers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My own 2 cents on the digital trammel certificate

    Vaccinated people can travel - makes sense, although fully vaccinated is a bit of overkill, 2 weeks after your first vaccine is medically speaking plenty

    People who have recovered from COVID-19 within 9 months - makes sense also, 12 months even should be good

    PCR test 3 days in advance of flying - it's like breathalyzing somebody on the way to the pub and on the off chance you test positive you're now stuck in your holiday destination at potentially great cost

    Not sure how else you'd work it for the unvaccinated though


  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    Sure they will not be allowed return until they are negative PCR.
    They may learn a bit of cop-on.....

    2 weeks post positive test they should be able to contact the Irish DFA for assistance should PCR still be showing up as positive.

    I have no idea what kind of holiday this group was enjoying (maybe the original poster said something a few pages back) but "they may learn a bit of cop-on" is a bit harsh without knowing the exact circumstances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Feria40 wrote: »
    2 weeks post positive test they should be able to contact the Irish DFA for assistance should PCR still be showing up as positive.

    I have no idea what kind of holiday this group was enjoying (maybe the original poster said something a few pages back) but "they may learn a bit of cop-on" is a bit harsh without knowing the exact circumstances


    "doctors differ" i am mature about Covid. I did not get that impression from the post, like you i do not know about holiday...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    faceman wrote: »
    You’re clearly spoofing with this story to suit your narrative. Spain has had lower rates of covid than Ireland throughout the year. You’ve ignored questions and comments from people on the ground here in Spain about your views.

    Your fabricated story about a group catching covid in Spain with such a convenient timing from when they got it is bonkers


    Absolutely not. All true but it doesn't suit you to acknowledge it.

    See below
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spains-covid-19-cases-jump-youth-infection-surges-2021-07-05/?taid=60e348a7fdc7d30001f56b6d&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    If you enter Ireland from a red country example Turkey - and are vaccinated - do you still have to quarantine or show a PCR test ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,913 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    If you enter Ireland from a red country example Turkey - and are vaccinated - do you still have to quarantine or show a PCR test ?

    firstly, this would be written somewhere online

    secondly, I cant be @rsed googling it, but from memory its a case that you escape the hotel BUT you need to quarantine at home instead.
    You'll also need a PCR test like every other passenger currently entering the state, but this would all be set out on a government website which explains the system


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭talulon


    Just want to add some data regarding travelling to <INSERT_EU_COUNTRY_HERE> (in my case Spain). I've been travelling back and forth all year without problems using PCR but this last time I decided to try my luck using those green vaccination cards from HSE.

    They were accepted both in Dublin by Ryanair stuff and Spanish authorities after landing, I also saw more people doing the same. (before any anti-travel fan says anything I also had my antigen tests ready to show)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    talulon wrote: »
    Just want to add some data regarding travelling to <INSERT_EU_COUNTRY_HERE> (in my case Spain). I've been travelling back and forth all year without problems using PCR but this last time I decided to try my luck using those green vaccination cards from HSE.

    They were accepted both in Dublin by Ryanair stuff and Spanish authorities after landing, I also saw more people doing the same. (before any anti-travel fan says anything I also had my antigen tests ready to show)

    The paper ones that are a bit cardboardy with the handwritten details of your vaccines?


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭talulon


    Stheno wrote: »
    The paper ones that are a bit cardboardy with the handwritten details of your vaccines?

    The same sketchy cardboards yes


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    talulon wrote: »
    Just want to add some data regarding travelling to <INSERT_EU_COUNTRY_HERE> (in my case Spain). I've been travelling back and forth all year without problems using PCR but this last time I decided to try my luck using those green vaccination cards from HSE.

    They were accepted both in Dublin by Ryanair stuff and Spanish authorities after landing, I also saw more people doing the same. (before any anti-travel fan says anything I also had my antigen tests ready to show)

    As the DGC is not mandatory EU leaders agreed to accept each country’s local certificate too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I was so concerned with getting in and avoiding mhq, now I am far more concerned with getting out for fear that other countries will redlist Ireland in a couple of weeks. The old pandemic merry-go-round.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They are accepting these in Dublin airport ? When was the last time you travelled ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 karaoke


    Accidental comment



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    When did hotels change to quarantine facilities?


    If covid is here to stay, isn't it time they work on dedicated facilities for quarantining and isolation? Like they had for tuberculosis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    I'd also included all the people infected with Covid in Ireland and their close contacts. They should ne isolated in MHQs for 2 weeks. They are driving our community transmition very high. Unfortunately, they'll have to pay for these quarantine facilities themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    Great, these MHQs proved again to be total failure,,

    Gardaí have launched a major investigation after a female member of the Defence Forces was allegedly raped by a male colleague in a quarantine hotel facility.

    The incident is alleged to have happened late on Monday night. Gardaí were alerted to the complaint in the early hours of Tuesday morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes because alleged rapes never happened before MHQ was in pace - what a ridiculous comment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've stayed away from these coronavirus threads as they became quite heated but have to share this story.

    Just picked up neighbours who had a week in the canaries. Two adults (both vacinated) two kids under 12, both had pcr tests.

    Absolutely and I'm mean absolutely NO checks at Dublin Airport, Zer, Nada, Nothing.

    Arrived in the canaries on a half empty flight.

    Everything checked, certs, temperatures and PCR tests for children, infact, a doctor present and insisted she check (with parent present), Temperature, blood pressure etc of each child. When asked was the PCR tests not acceptable, she said she had no idea who the testing company was and they do additional testing regardless. Very pleasant and professional.

    Before departure home, both children had a second PCR test in the canaries ( €89 per child), confirmed again at Spanish airport along with parents digital certs.

    Arrive in Dublin, not a single check, question, how's your father.

    I'm still in shock, spoke to another family I knew on the same flight and exactly the same experience.

    WTF is going on, all the panic about certs and children having to be tested in advance, this is just shocking.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    That is not the point and as it happens, it was not half empty as you describe, it was quite busy albeit I'll grant you it was at a time of a number of flights departing.

    It's relaxing that got us partly into a mess in the first place, but again, a quite airport is absolutely no excuse and dare I say a good time to be actually implementing and testing rules of travel are being adhered too.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    Build the wall the North first. It might be more helpful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    An entirely seperate matter but I get your point

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I flew to the canaries a few weeks back and all our paper work was checked in Dublin airport at Check in. Then we just showed our vaccine certs on arrivals didn’t need anything for kids (under 12) and no medical checks.

    Coming back all was checked again at check in this time In Canaries, so not sure why your friends kids under 12 were tested as it’s not needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Glad to hear it, honestly I'm not sure about the Kids testing requirements, i should clarify one child was over 12 and I miss understood, it was one that required a test not two, my mistake and apologies.

    The fact remains however two families I know personally on the same flights and destinations had zero checks done at Dublin Airport, flight came in last night and they spent a week in the canaries. I've since spoken to another friend who was in mainland Spain two weeks ago and same thing. Whilst it appears checks are random on the Irish side, there's entire flights clearly not being checked and that's a genuine concern.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Blood pressure checks? 🧐🧐

    immigration do the paperwork checks. They must have done it?

    also paperwork is checked before boarding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes, as explained in the airport on the canaries a doctor was present at arrivals, the expected checks done, certs, temperature. When my friends showed eldest child's test from Ireland, doctor requested additional checks required, dad escorted child with doctor into side room, she checked temperature and what was described as blood pressure check. When my friend (Dad enquired was the test results from the Dublin not sufficient, doctor's said they've noway to verify such results and take additional precautions. I'm just relaying my friends experience and might add two families on same flight.

    Re paperwork checks, yes it's understood border control do this and this happened in Spain, no such checks took place in Dublin on departure or arrival and Airline in Dublin asked no questions which I believe they are required to do.

    As other posters have said, it's not something new from their experiences recently , I was just so taken aback on hearing my neighbours experience on their return, particularly given the furore over the covid vacinne certs, call centre fiasco and the Malta incident, I just assumed rigorous checks taking place, clearly they are not.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Ah that makes sense now. I returned to Ireland for the first time in 8 months from (mainland) Spain last week. My paperwork was checked and scanned in Dublin.

    I guess it doesn't surprise me that checks are lax at times. Since I got back I see not much has changed in Ireland since year, there is no real enforcement of anything and bars and restaurants in a lot of cases are quite openly flouting the rules. This while other industries remain closed who would be considered less risk. Mask wearing has improved though.



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